Things About 90's Hip Hop You Didn't Like?

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A lot of West Coast albums are just as good or better than East Coast albums. But Hip Hop fanboys who actually know nothing about music, regional cultural significance can't formulate their own opinions about music that hasn't been reviewed by whiteboys from White Plains, New York who worked as music critics for big publications back in the 90's. :ufdup: Messy Marv & San Quinn's Explosive Mode is musically better than any album that came out of the East Coast in 98'. 2nd II None's debut album was musically as good as any classic album from 91'. Dru Down Can U Feel Me was as good as anything back in 96'. But these albums aren't constantly promoted by hipster whiteboys who moved to NYC from the Midwest in 2008 or their older brothers who wrote gushy reviews about 90's NYC albums. That Korean lady Miss Info was the original critic who wrote the 5 mic review for Illmatic. :dahell: Ironically, most of these critically acclaimed East Coast albums sold horribly in the 90's and were criminally slept on despite the fact that 90% of relevant NY rappers were signed to major labels. :mindblown: I'm 32. By the end of the 90's, people looked at Nas's career like it was a joke. Illmatic went wood and no one really started talking about it again until Jay-Z dropped the "Takeover" in 2001 :aicmon:, It Was Written was met with mixed reviews upon it's initial release and Nastradamus was panned.
Who are you referring to with the White Plains reference?
Never heard the first two albums, the Dru Down album was 3.5 to me :yeshrug:
Plenty of better East Coast albums.
What hipsters are promoting 90s east coast albums that weren't already certified as mega classics?

Miss Info wrote the review, but had nothing to do with the albums rating.

Who cares what an album sold? What does that have to do with it being classic?

Illmatic went gold before IWW and was steadily selling the entire decade. I wouldn't say his career was looked at as a joke by the end of the 90s, but i get the point you're making.
 

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Scarface: the diary

Goodie Mob: Soul Food

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I'm disgusted with some of the ignorance in this thread. I'm willing to bet you that none of you listened to these albums nor understand the impact they've had on the culture

Liquid Swords? OB4CL? Really? Nobody disrespected those albums and what they meant to hip hop but the nerve of you fukk ass nikkas
Just ignore them fam. Some people just plain ole ignorant and can't appreciate music beyond a very narrow scope.
 

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Who are you referring to with the White Plains reference?
Never heard the first two albums, the Dru Down album was 3.5 to me :yeshrug:
Plenty of better East Coast albums.
What hipsters are promoting 90s east coast albums that weren't already certified as mega classics?

Miss Info wrote the review, but had nothing to do with the albums rating.

Who cares what an album sold? What does that have to do with it being classic?

Illmatic went gold before IWW and was steadily selling the entire decade. I wouldn't say his career was looked at as a joke by the end of the 90s, but i get the point you're making.

Agreed, I think the point though is that for all the talk on thecoli of west coast and southern artists being "regional" outside of Death Row Records, a lot of the "major" east coast albums are not exactly mainstream either (and definitely not the extent to be able to write off widely heralded west coast and southern albums as "regional" and prop up relatively low profile and low-selling east coast albums as consensus albums).
 

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Thread was cool for about a page then it turned into some regional beef shyt.:francis:

Makes me happy as fukk I'm from the mid west. I never had a dog in that fight and listened to all that shyt growing up.

Fred.
 

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Thread was cool for about a page then it turned into some regional beef shyt.:francis:

Makes me happy as fukk I'm from the mid west. I never had a dog in that fight and listened to all that shyt growing up.

Fred.

Sometimes I wonder whether it's hip hop to ride with your hood (regardless of how wack it is) or to call out the bullshyt even if it's your own hood.

Kid Capri was in Toronto telling me I gotta support Drake because I'm from Toronto. And I'm like :what:

I live in Toronto. I know damn well we don't have a classic album. The closest we come is maybe Main Source - Breakin Atoms considering it was a Toronto-Queens connection (and even that's not Illmatic, etc). I'm comfortable enough to know that we didn't drop the hottest shyt in the world.

I don't understand how people can dikkride their regions so heavily. To me, from outside the US looking in, it's clear as fukking day that the East Coast created the overwhelming majority of hip hop masterpieces. It's not even on some "nuthug NY shyt". It just is what it is.
 

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Sometimes I wonder whether it's hip hop to ride with your hood (regardless of how wack it is) or to call out the bullshyt even if it's your own hood.

Kid Capri was in Toronto telling me I gotta support Drake because I'm from Toronto. And I'm like :what:

I live in Toronto. I know damn well we don't have a classic album. The closest we come is maybe Main Source - Breakin Atoms considering it was a Toronto-Queens connection (and even that's not Illmatic, etc). I'm comfortable enough to know that we didn't drop the hottest shyt in the world.

I don't understand how people can dikkride their regions so heavily. To me, from outside the US looking in, it's clear as fukking day that the East Coast created the overwhelming majority of hip hop masterpieces. It's not even on some "nuthug NY shyt". It just is what it is.

Nobody in this thread disagreed with that, it's your comments about no other regions having any real hip hop classics that started this conversation. Maybe you don't get it because your city doesn't have much of a legacy in the genre (though there are a few notables from Toronto).
 

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Nobody in this thread disagreed with that, it's your comments about no other regions having any real hip hop classics that started this conversation.

that's not what I said

other coasts always complaining about regional bias blah blah blah. But let's keep it 1 fukking hundred. Were other coasts dropping albums as brilliant as Illmatic, Ready To Die, Cuban Linx, Infamous, Liquid Swords, Dah Shinin, Main Ingredient back to back?

The 'back to back' part is the key part. Every region has at least 1 masterpiece album, obviously. But back to back in rapid succession? Different story.

Maybe you don't get it because your city doesn't have much of a legacy in the genre (though there are a few notables from Toronto).

I'd argue that makes me less biased and more prone to 'get it' than everyone else. I'm not sure you have to be from a low-legacy location to get it.

After all,

Even me being from the deep DEEP south, I kinda agree.

I mean, I tried to think of some albums and defend Da Souf, but really.... I can't think of many southern albums that made me go ":gladbron: Holy shyt this is a masterpiece" from the mid 90s.
 

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that's not what I said

The 'back to back' part is the key part. Every region has at least 1 masterpiece album, obviously. But back to back in rapid succession? Different story.

93-95 on the west coast was as "rapid" as the east coast period you're talking about. The Chronic, Doggystyle, 93 Til Infinity, Amerikkka's Nightmare, Me Against The World, etc. dropped and had profound (albeit unequal) impacts on the west coast hip hop landscape as well as the Midwest and southern hip hop landscapes.
 

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93-95 on the west coast was as "rapid" as the east coast period you're talking about. The Chronic, Doggystyle, 93 Til Infinity, Amerikkka's Nightmare, Me Against The World, etc. dropped and had profound (albeit unequal) impacts on the west coast hip hop landscape as well as the Midwest and southern hip hop landscapes.

with the exception of Doggystyle, none of those albums can fukk with the East Coast albums I mentioned. I've always said that the Chronic, outside of a couple stellar tracks, is overrated and dated as fukk. But sure, I'm willing to be wrong on that. So that's 2. Two versus the 5 or so I mentioned from the East.

You're really going to tell me 93 til Infinity is a masterpiece album? Cmon. Amerikkka's Nightmare? Really? :martin:
 

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90-92 was an even "quicker" period on the west coast so to speak.

Black Mafia Life
The Devil Made Me Do It
Death Certificate
Bizarre Ride II Tha Pharcyde
Cypress Hill
Amerikkka's Most Wanted
Original Gangster
Sex Packets
Music to Driveby
Quik Is Tha Name
I Wish My Brother George Was Here

All of these had a huge impact, some more underground and some more mainstream.
 

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with the exception of Doggystyle, none of those albums can fukk with the East Coast albums I mentioned. I've always said that the Chronic, outside of a couple stellar tracks, is overrated and dated as fukk. But sure, I'm willing to be wrong on that. So that's 2. Two versus the 5 or so I mentioned from the East.

You're really going to tell me 93 til Infinity is a masterpiece album? Cmon. Amerikkka's Nightmare? Really? :martin:


You're really trying to argue that 93 Til Infinity isn't one of the best underground albums of the genre?
 
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