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A lot of the responses have a lot of prefaces "I love my mother... But..... I still love her though".

If the thread was about black deadbeat dads or anything negative about black males, it would be "my dad was an abusive piece of sh*t, I'm glad my mother left his sorry ass". Straight to the point.

Also there's the "you hate women" sqaud who invariably come into these type of threads caping.

You really have to ask yourself, why do we always dance around or handle any form of criticism towards women with the utmost care/nuance/kid gloves?...

But I digress.

I don't talk to any of the goofy hoez in my family, I guess I "hate wiminz" :francis::yeshrug:

Edit 1: my mother is included in the goofy hoez in my family :unimpressed:

I agree there is a disparity in how we view them, but that's because the onus is on men to be adults, while women are really just grown children themselves.

Look at it another way... It's unfortunate things played out the way they did, but that chick who got killed trying to murder another young girl rightfully reaped the consequences of her actions. Tough. On the flip side, however, if that was Micah Bryant killed while trying to murder a young chick, the response would be WAY different from everyone. It would be fukk that nikka, the world is better off without him. And I would have to agree.

Women, in general, act like children and should thus be treated like children. Where the West has gone wrong is absolving women of the consequences of their actions, but we don't necessarily need to harshly punish women for them. Allowing natural consequences to their place would be well enough, in my opinion. Men, on the other hand, are equally capable of razing society as we are building one, so this is why punishment is meted out more harshly for us.
 

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Oh yeah

if your girl made more than you then Yalls relationship would be COMPLETELY different.

No man should be in a serious relationship with a woman that makes more than him unless he likes being disrespected

It may sound like some chauvinistic 1950s bullshyt but as a man, if you want peace, you have to make sure you're good to her and make more money than her.
 

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I agree there is a disparity in how we view them, but that's because the onus is on men to be adults, while women are really just grown children themselves.

Look at it another way... It's unfortunate things played out the way they did, but that chick who got killed trying to murder another young girl rightfully reaped the consequences of her actions. Tough. On the flip side, however, if that was Micah Bryant killed while trying to murder a young chick, the response would be WAY different from everyone. It would be fukk that nikka, the world is better off without him. And I would have to agree.

Women, in general, act like children and should thus be treated like children. Where the West has gone wrong is absolving women of the consequences of their actions, but we don't necessarily need to harshly punish women for them. Allowing natural consequences to their place would be well enough, in my opinion. Men, on the other hand, are equally capable of razing society as we are building one, so this is why punishment is meted out more harshly for us.
Yes that's my ultimate gripe with the whole thing. I have no issues with women's nature and as you rightfully say, they are big children and should be treated as such, BUT they are NOT, and are given complete impunity to do whatever they want (get pregnant, kill the baby if they decide to, keep it for child support, destroy their own children etc), they are simply not supposed to have THAT level of POWER of people's lives.

But then that goes deeper than gender war stuff, and goes right back to the black man's powerlessness in a world ruled and dominated by other ethnic groups.
The Black women and children are a reflection of the African man's lack of power and autonomy.
 

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One thing I honestly believe plagues their relationship is finances. It's not that they're broke or anything but there's been times where my mom has made more than my dad and when a woman makes more money than a man, they treat that man differently.

And I think that's where me and wife differ. I make double if what she makes but I'm not a dikk about it either. I don't treat her bad and we don't fight. She's very headstrong but only with others. Not me and I think that's because she really can't tell me shyt because as a husband and a father, I'm doing what I'm supposed to do. I make the money, give it to her, and she makes sure the bills are paid. She wakes the kids up for school. I tuck them in at night.

This is a case in point how women are grown children. @Cape Town JHB

Despite @Booksnrain's lengthy juelzing, the males of our homo sapien species have borne the brunt of imagining, building and maintaining society since the beginning, and as a collective, men have never looked down on women despite this. On top of that, there has never been a single woman in history who has come up with an idea meant to benefit men only or solved a male-only problem, despite the fact that men's lives have been immeasurably more difficult than women's and yet men still seek ways to make women's lives easier at the expense of our own.

In less than fifty years, women - like children - obtained the ability to contribute directly at the societal level and instead of elevating things, they've essentially used this ability to shyt on the non-female group, the group that made each and every one of their achievements possible, no less. :heh:
 
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Yeah I think it comes from bearing the brunt of the emotional work in traditional relationships. Did you know marriage is associated with early death in women?

All the unpaid work, unacknowledged stress leads to a lot of hardness in women for the roles we relegate them to.

Then we punish them for those roles.

A lot of this hidden frustration is internalized by women. And instead of using that superior verbal communication skills they claim to have, they rely heavily on passive aggression.

Why? Because we used to socialize women to not be direct. To associate directness with masculinity in communication skills. To be submissive and deferential. When that communication style doesn’t get the job done, who do we get?

Impatient, nasty, come the fukk on, I’m tired, I don’t have time for this bullshyt ma dukes.

Much of the way women are is due to gender role socialization. That passive aggressive, silent sufferer, eternal victim playbook is directly related to how we as a society literally dismiss female opinion as babble, tell them they should be seen not heard, associate directness with hardness.

We also send mixed signals to our men as well and punish them for the roles we push them into. We love to tell men that they are the protectors/providers, and revel in that boys will be boys energy until it backfires. Women will get with the provider they claim to want, but then complain about him not having enough time for her. This world pushes men to have almost sociopathic tendencies to become leaders, but then punishes them if they conform to this. At the same time, we want men to display a wider emotional capacity, but then accuse him of being gay if he acts on a basic human emotion.
Push them to be hunters and pursuants of females. Then call em thirsty or creeps if they take initiative.
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The mixed messages this society tells men and women on how to behave, in juxtaposition with the way we also punish them if they conform to said behavior is a nasty, nasty game.

Mama can’t properly look after her kids without being the dream killer responsible one that we unfairly end of resenting sometimes. Because her first priority = your safety.

Daddy can’t be your emotional rock at your side 24/7 because he has to work to provide, otherwise he is a bum, remember? And if he cries we call him a punk.

Sometimes a balance is struck and you can learn to do better, but I think people aren’t thinking clearly about what went with toxic relationships in the past. We romanticize them but we not being honest with ourselves. Part of the reason why our generation is delaying marriage is because we don’t want to be our parents and see no viable way to avoid that fate in relationships. Especially if you didn’t have a positive example.

Hell I know damn well why I’m resistant to that whole “submit” “woman be silent” “fix me a sammich” cave man shyt because I saw it wreak utter havoc in the women’s lives I grew up with. Utter havoc. On their physical health and on their mental health.

Some of my male cousins feel the same way about stepping into those traditional male roles too because they saw their dads being miserable too in a lot of cases. Imagine working your ENTIRE LIFE to give EVERYTHING YOU GOT to some vinegar faced chick, fixing her mouth to complain instead of expressing gratitude.

SHEEEEIIIIIIITTTTT.

The current generations are running from that shyt. 30 is the new 40. Delaying everything until we can chart a better path than the nonsense we saw some of our parents endure.

Which isn’t ideal b:c we about to have a new crop of kids with disabilities coming through from delays in child birth, among other issues...


Just shyt we gotta figure out before it’s too late.:yeshrug:
You have a distinct way of breaking down how traditional gender roles relate to social behaviors. The good and the bad:ehh:
 

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A lot of the responses have a lot of prefaces "I love my mother... But..... I still love her though".

If the thread was about black deadbeat dads or anything negative about black males, it would be "my dad was an abusive piece of sh*t, I'm glad my mother left his sorry ass". Straight to the point.

Also there's the "you hate women" sqaud who invariably come into these type of threads caping.

You really have to ask yourself, why do we always dance around or handle any form of criticism towards women with the utmost care/nuance/kid gloves?...

But I digress.

I don't talk to any of the goofy hoez in my family, I guess I "hate wiminz" :francis::yeshrug:

Edit 1: my mother is included in the goofy hoez in my family :unimpressed:
Women are women. What they do got no bearing on what I do or how I live my life as a man.

You might have some woman hate energy in your blood chief:francis:
 

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My mom is a crazy ass bytch and it’s a miracle my dad stayed involved in my life and didn’t just leave us behind but then my fathers not that type of man :unimpressed:

It only took me 5 years of life to realize ayo something is not right with this woman:mjtf:

It’s why I can’t understand the mother worship some of these nikkas have like I love my mom too but she’s a psycho :manny:
The mommy worship is cognitive dissonance :unimpressed:

For me cats who won't call out or see female nature in their own mama, grandma, sisters etc will never truly understand female evolutionary psychology.

Since we're on this topic, I always drop the best book I've ever come across when it comes to female nature, in these types of threads.



The Predatory Female by Lawrence Shannon (1985):

Z-Library single sign on
:feedme::whoo::wow:
 

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Women are women. What they do got no bearing on what I do or how I live my life as a man.

You might have some woman hate energy in your blood chief:francis:

I can admit that I don't like them much.

But I'm not talking about my misogyny here, I'm specifically talking about female nature and how the society we live in let's it go unchecked to the detriment of the black family structure.

Child support laws, divorce settlement laws, gender based violence laws and interpretation.

There's entire fields of study on these topics by people like Dr T Hasan Johnson, Dr Tommy J Curry and others.

If you're interested.
 

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"Even though you were a crack fiend mama, you always were a black queen mama!":mjtf::mjlol:
I love that song but that line never made sense since I was a kid. To be honest, a man loves his mother more than anything, it's funny that only other women cannot understand this with the constant mother-wife bickerings present in society.
 

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Respect the good & understand the bad
mine wasn’t, but ma dukes thought a man should pay all the bills and agree with everything she say.

he dipped and tried to take us with him. Ma was like heelllll naw... lol

instead she waited until I got a little older to start getting on my nerves about “helping out”.

love ya ma but I gotta go.

hell I look like doing everything but not being free do as I wish in somewhere I pay for.

pops taught me well lol.... for real though, he instilled a toxic trait within me. I just leave any situation when I feel stress. Something I had to work on over the years. Especially compromising.... I will say that, although I’m working on me, bytches ain’t working on themselves. My girl have me real close to going back the old me... alot.


When I said he was a bum, I mean that when he died, he was literally sleeping in his van lol. Only child support my mom ever saw was a couple bus passes here and there for me to get to school when I was growing up. He wasn't a bad person per se, my mom never instilled that in me about him, he was around, he just chose never to get his shyt together and just wanted to be a rolling stone travelling back and forth to mexico living off his social security checks. Before he passed he admitted to me that he realized later on when he was talking to some friends about their children that he couldn't come up with one skill or trait that he had ever taught me. Last week I was framing a new office partition at my job by myself, and everyone was tripping about how I was doing it without any help. It was to the point where I carried up and installed a 10 foot long double top plate, 15 feet high in the air for it on the dolo, and I simply told them that I was a latch key kid, and that growing up I had to learn to get things done without having anyone around, so I guess we could say that's the one thing that my father taught me how to do lol
 
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You have a distinct way of breaking down how traditional gender roles relate to social behaviors. The good and the bad:ehh:
I think there’s certain shyt we need to continue from traditional relationships that can make us stronger as a community.


Then I think there are toxic elements from traditional relationships that we need to leave behind to make current relationships fairer for both individuals.

I talk a lot about giving people incentives to get with the average person and build a family with them. And some have thought I was awful for even suggesting that creating a family is something that would require incentives to engage in. But they living in lala land. It’s a hard sell to current generations when they have less skills, more debt and have been inundated with toxic examples of relationships their entire lives. Romanticizing the “old ways” won’t fix it. There’s some shyt men and women need to confront.

Female communication skill deficits are a major part of that. On one hand, I know exactly why so many women vacillate between either disrespectful harpy or emotionally manipulative communication methods. We’ve cultivated this crazy in them as a society. With the dumb ass “hoe babble” dismissive attitudes and sexism, we’ve made it so that chicks who arent assertive are walked over while accusing those who are upfront or honest or logical of being masculine. Because we stupid.
:mjlol: Humans are utter fukking idiots.

However, in spite of this climate, women can’t claim to be equals while still giving a damn about dumb ass gender ideas. What are they afraid of?
You an equal right?! So why you defaulting to silent victim if shyt not going right in your relationships? Don’t complain about not cumming during sex and cry if you allow that shyt to go on for years. USE YO WORDS. Don’t complain to mommy confessions if you stressed. USE YO WORDS.

Tell him. Put it out there. Respectfully. Before resentment builds up in you to the point where you ARE aggressive and nasty in how you communicate with others. If he has an issue or is in his feelings or ego, that’s his problem. But still respectfully communicate your needs. If he isn’t an aint shyt a$$hole, then he’ll listen. If he doesn’t then you Ms. independent right? Be willing to walk away.
And if he gaslights you or tries to accuse you of nagging, communicate that as well.:yeshrug:

But I’m outta patience for the melodrama. Women are in this weird tranny phase wanting the new while still existing in the old. They haven’t yet truly learned to stand in that autonomy they were fighting for.:yeshrug:Just something I’ve noticed.

And when you layer racial issues on top of that....it’s a spark in a powder keg.
 

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Couldn't maintain a normal family structure with a man in the house?

Honest convo.


I was thinking about this the other day, the older I get the more I'm exposed to women and their habits....sure I still love my mom...shes a lovely mother, I adore her but she absolutely has a way of emasculating a man. She's very head strong and the idea of a man being a man in the home seems to be the antithesis of her existence. Crazy thing is I see the exact qualities in my child's mom. Its to the point where I feel like wverytime I get off work I have to mentally psych myself for the new battle that is the "power struggle" of my home. It is exhausting.
For a long time I was very mad at my dad for leaving but the older I get the more I accept how it literally feels like the only choice you have left.
Take charge take the lead and she will fall in line:yeshrug:
 
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