Tyga Deep In Birdman's Bushes Update: Mack Maine Responds

[Serious]

STOP! you are arguing with a dude that knows nothing. If you would have said rihanna was damm near broke in 2010 people would have laughed at you...now look

Rhianna is broke?

 

[Darealtwo1]

Rhianna is broke?

No not now, she was...... back in 2009 she was lost 9 Million dude to poor accounting and management, the story came out at the top of this year. If someone would have told you rihanna with all this hits was broke nobody would believe that person. Look this music shyt is all smoke n mirrors. EVERYTHING I REPEAT EVERYTHING IS RENTED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DAMM NEAR 90% OF THE shyt YOU SEE IS RENTED! DOWN TO THE CHAINS AND WATCHES, EVEN THE THOTS IN THE VIDEOS! MOST ARE FAKE SEE FAKEWATCHBUSTA ON IG!


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/02/12/rihanna-accountant-bankrupt_n_4773851.html

http://perezhilton.com/2014-02-12-r...-of-her-accountant-mismanagement#.VDxByPldWSo


Tyga is in a spot where they don't want him to drop his final album because then he would have finished his deal with YM. As long as he doesn't get a date. Birdman can keep raping him. They are just gonna give him the run around. "ohhh we are focusing on Lil Wayne's project...uhhhh nicki has another single we want to focus on, ummmm we want to see if you can get Justin Bieber for another record and promote it while he drops his album..uhhhh we don't think that's a good single"

You wanna know why Birdman is hanging round Thuga and Quan. He is trying to get them on his roster so he can start raping them, but you know, they sugar it by saying "we want you part of this family".

YOU KNOW BIRDMAN IS RAPING ARTIST WHEN THE YEARLY RAP EARNINGS COME OUT AND BIRDMAN IS ON THE LIST ABOVE THE PEOPLE HE HAS UNDER HIM WITH NO SINGLES OR ALBUMS OUT

Trust me when you see Thank Me Later, Take Care, and NWTS all under YMCMB/Cash Money, just know drizzy getting raped as well. It doesn't show as much cuz drizzy pulls in a lot on the road and through the ovo merch.


Now actress' and actor's on the other hand ain't no fukkery going on over there. Jlaw got her nudes leaked but he bank account is

 

[DanielAlfredsson]

Yeah but is he with TIAG Ent., def jam or YM

You mean to tell me RHQ, got 3 labels taking money from him.

As I understand it: he's signed to Think It's A Game Records. When Def Jam (Joie IE) signed Trinidad James to Def Jam, they did so through TIAG. As a result, there is a relationship there, but he is not signed. They put out "Some Type Of Way" thru DJ when it was already a smash.

I believe the Birdman affiliation is under the Rich Gang management umbrella and not the YMCMB label, tho I'm sure Baby would do that too if he could. Quan's management up to now has been his dad, so wouldn't be surprising to see him get a more industry savvy advisor. And Quan's dad did just get shot.

 

[Long Live The Kane]

0 buzz ? Pass Me The Hookah has as many hits as Rich Homie Quan/Young Thug lifestyle, which according to a lot of people in this thread is a bigger hit than Tyga ever had

pretty much everything in this post is wrong


I'm not sure what hits you're talking about...but Hookah was a flopped single...it spent like 1 week on the charts at like #89, then fell off completely...LIfestyle is a top 25 on the Hot 100 song, and spent like a month as the #1 song on Urban radio this summer...there is really no comparison

2 years or so ago Lil Chuckee was EVERY where with Justin Beiber, they failed to capitalize on that

I'm gonna assume you mean Twist...Being seen with people =/= hit records...unless Beiber's team signed off on a feature for Twist that got him a hit instead of doing everything in their power to keep him away from their artist, none of that means anything [/quote]

Mystikal got out of prison, released some songs, where the album out ? He might not sell much NOW, but when he got out and signed to Cash Money he woulda been good for 40-100k records and in this climate thats good.
Manny Fresh and Juve supposedly back with the label, where are they at ?

You know its bad when fukking BUSTA RHYMES leaves you, he was fukking After Math for damn near a decade

Neither Mannie nor Juvie are signed to Cash Money...Juvie is cool with Baby again and has been running around with him and in the entourage repping Rich Gang and sh!t, but far as I know is still technically signed to Rap-a-Lot...where he released his past 2 albums that not a single fukk were given bout (but let it even be rumored that he's back with CMR and there's now some big concern bout the state of his career )

Busta and Mystikal realistically shouldn't even have ever been signed, and cash money was stupid to do so...they're at a point in their career where they are simply not major label level rap acts...you mention Busta being on Aftermath for so many years like that was an especially fruitful situation or something...the whole time he was there he released only 1 album that delayed heavily and got dropped because he couldn't get a 2nd lp released because Jimmy considered the first one a flop...signed to Universal/Motown and put out BOMB, which flopped...was about to get dropped from Universal but linked up with Cash Money to save the deal...and couldn't produce a hit single ...I know the label is always the bad guys from the fans perspective, because they're standing in the way between us and the music with their pesky need to make money and keep the doors open..but not releasing projects that you KNOW are gonna flop is sound business...it's just that these ddues aren't psychics and don't know what's a good or bad signing before the fact, or sometimes just sign people for sentimental reasons... take Mystikal...it's so easy to go "oh Cash Money ruined and wasted his career" now that wanted to leave the label...but he was out of prison for 2 years before he signed with them and didn't have jack shyt to show for it but a couple of youtube videos of him freestyling in Mannie's truck on the side of the road...no other labels were looking to sign him then and when CMR did decide to reach out he was giving interviews like they had just saved his life...fast forward two years, no hit records and his project is stalled...shyt happens it's the record business...something like only 35% of signed artists actually release an album...only a fraction of those albums that do come out turn a profit...labels make a gamble everytime they sign an act, and only make money cause of the small % of them that turn out to be stars..90's rappers like Bust and Mystikal should be on indie or low-budget major owned niche boutique labels where there is no expectation of hitmaking..small budget with minimal marketing so they don't have to sell much

Lil Wayne got an album coming out October 28th, I dont even know what single he has right now

It's either getting pushed back or they're going Beyonce shock-release with it..i alluded to this before...wayne is the label's signature act...if he's not above getting pushed back when a single underperforms or timing isn't right...how are y;all in here with a straight face talking about youtube hits for floped singles and "politics" because Tyga can't get his 3rd album in 3 years fast tracked off the back of going 49k first week his last time out ... Cash Money is far from a perfect label but GOOD LUCK to him finding a label after they drop him that is gonna treat an act of his level and track record as some kind of priority...we're 300 posts deep in this thread like damn near every established rap act on Def Jam, acts with 10x the cache of tyga like Jeezy and Luda and Fab, haven't been making these same exact complaints bout their label all year...

Birdman is so fascinated with Rich Homie Quan, Young Thug and Soulja Boy that hes ignoring everyone else.. Whats funny , is NONE of them are even signed to Young Money (maybe soulja boy is, dunno).. You do gotta see it as odd that Birdman been around Rich Homie Quan and Young Thug for what? 3 months ? 4 months at the most ? And they already have a album/mixtape of new beats and everything out.. Ive never been 1 to go with the whole "birdman raping these cats out here" type shyt, but you do gotta admit somethin is funny with that situation..

Do i find it odd that Baby's been managing them for 6 months and they just put out a free mixtape? No...it makes perfect sense to me...

1. Quan and Thug are actually making hit records

2. Baby can't sign them to the label due to prior contractual agreements

3. He puts out their hits as "featured" acts on a single for a compilation album that may or may not ever be released and eats off the publishing

4. Since they, well Thug in particular, are caught up in label limbo and can't release a proper album at the moment...they make a free mixtape, put it out, use baby's experience and expertise to book a national tour...they eat like they're in a album cycle and baby gets his off manager's fees

In the meantime, it's not like tyga can't get a release date cause baby is preoccupied so the whole label is hsut down...they have the other principal owner Slim... tez, mack, vernon brown and a full actual label staff...not to mention the staff at Republic...all tyga needs is a hit

 

[The Devil's Advocate]

@Venem breh's really getting 5 cents a record out here? Thats only 25k IF they go gold

What about an artist like J.cole? he produced his whole last project, how much do you think he gets per record?

Yea man. There's a few people in here who knows what the business really is. And a shytload more who are talking out their ass, based on tv and "the club"

The club is not the charts. The club is not radio spins. The tv is not a deed to a house. A vlog is not a title to a lambo. All the bragging these dudes do, I've only ever seen one person EVER show a title or deed. That was bow wow on his lambo

Dudes getting sued left and right for not returning renting jewelry. Dudes getting jacked and the robbers can't even sell the chains cause the diamonds are fake

But the masses aren't on the Internet having these convos. shyt they barely one world star. Talk to the masses and they don't know shyt when you actually have a hip hop convo. They don't who is signed to who. Who's cool with who. And have a bunch of made up stories of "oh you didn't know jay and busta was cousins" type of nonsense







But to answer your question. Yes. 5 cents a record. I'll break it down. There's a famous saying. Do you want to be famous or do you want to be rich??


Artist A is nice as fukk. He rap for a nikka who knows jayz. Jayz wants to sign him. Well this dude has no sales, no fans, no shows, no leverage. So jay is gonna be like you basically sign with me or bye bye. Nobody knows you. Nobody cares

You'll sign for the 5 cents. He might offer you 200k for all your publishing. And advance you 200k. Then take 50% of everything else you make (360).

You think you balling. You on tv with jay. You making high priced videos. You got money for DOWN PAYMENTS on cars and houses. You taking care of your boys. You opening for jay at stadiums. You got a million dollar budget


But you forgot you not getting shyt when you sell if you sell. You gotta pay back that million dollar budget. You gotta pay back that 200k advance. You getting half your show money gone. And if you flop, welcome to the shelf... You don't make your own hit again, you'll never get another release.

But hey. You're famous. You're the young guns. You were on and everyone knew you. Next thing you back in philly with little to no money and nobody cares cause you ain't making no hits










Artist b is like a currency. You might have had another deal before so you kinda known. Or you just grinded on your own. You charted once, very low. You sold 20k albums on your own. You do shows and can get 3000 people to show up. You have 4 labels who want to sign you

Well now you can start making demands. Hey if def jam won't give you a non refundable advance, then Sony will. If Sony won't let you keep your publishing, then Atlantic will. You can negotiate. You have power. You can get a dollar a record. You can get a release date written in the contract.




A j cole didn't have a buzz. He probably got screwed on rap. But he produces. Producers gonna always make more. For one he doesn't have to pay other producers. And he gets writing credit and publishing AND producing pay and publishing. So he gets paid twice off all his records

 

[Darealtwo1]

Yea man. There's a few people in here who knows what the business really is. And a shytload more who are talking out their ass, based on tv and "the club"

The club is not the charts. The club is not radio spins. The tv is not a deed to a house. A vlog is not a title to a lambo. All the bragging these dudes do, I've only ever seen one person EVER show a title or deed. That was bow wow on his lambo

Dudes getting sued left and right for not returning renting jewelry. Dudes getting jacked and the robbers can't even sell the chains cause the diamonds are fake

But the masses aren't on the Internet having these convos. shyt they barely one world star. Talk to the masses and they don't know shyt when you actually have a hip hop convo. They don't who is signed to who. Who's cool with who. And have a bunch of made up stories of "oh you didn't know jay and busta was cousins" type of nonsense







But to answer your question. Yes. 5 cents a record. I'll break it down. There's a famous saying. Do you want to be famous or do you want to be rich??


Artist A is nice as fukk. He rap for a nikka who knows jayz. Jayz wants to sign him. Well this dude has no sales, no fans, no shows, no leverage. So jay is gonna be like you basically sign with me or bye bye. Nobody knows you. Nobody cares

You'll sign for the 5 cents. He might offer you 200k for all your publishing. And advance you 200k. Then take 50% of everything else you make (360).

You think you balling. You on tv with jay. You making high priced videos. You got money for DOWN PAYMENTS on cars and houses. You taking care of your boys. You opening for jay at stadiums. You got a million dollar budget


But you forgot you not getting shyt when you sell if you sell. You gotta pay back that million dollar budget. You gotta pay back that 200k advance. You getting half your show money gone. And if you flop, welcome to the shelf... You don't make your own hit again, you'll never get another release.

But hey. You're famous. You're the young guns. You were on and everyone knew you. Next thing you back in philly with little to no money and nobody cares cause you ain't making no hits










Artist b is like a currency. You might have had another deal before so you kinda known. Or you just grinded on your own. You charted once, very low. You sold 20k albums on your own. You do shows and can get 3000 people to show up. You have 4 labels who want to sign you

Well now you can start making demands. Hey if def jam won't give you a non refundable advance, then Sony will. If Sony won't let you keep your publishing, then Atlantic will. You can negotiate. You have power. You can get a dollar a record. You can get a release date written in the contract.




A j cole didn't have a buzz. He probably got screwed on rap. But he produces. Producers gonna always make more. For one he doesn't have to pay other producers. And he gets writing credit and publishing AND producing pay and publishing. So he gets paid twice off all his records

http://www.complex.com/music/2009/05/j-cole-talks-roc-nation-meeting-jay-z-the-warm-up-mixtape

damm j cole signed a 360 deal..he admitted it back in 09.

I don't know about him getting that much from publishing from producing. Like 95% of J cole's albums are just samples, they are taking mad money from him.

At least he is not paying the hottest producer like 30k for a beat though! Damm J cole's albums must be cheap to make since he pretty much does everything.

 

[The Devil's Advocate]

http://www.complex.com/music/2009/05/j-cole-talks-roc-nation-meeting-jay-z-the-warm-up-mixtape

damm j cole signed a 360 deal..he admitted it back in 09.

I don't know about him getting that much from publishing from producing. Like 95% of J cole's albums are just samples, they are taking mad money from him.

At least he is not paying the hottest producer like 30k for a beat though! Damm J cole's albums must be cheap to make since he pretty much does everything.

That's it tho. If you not a nikka in label bidding war, you getting what they give you.

If you never walked into a label and have no other labels calling. How easily are you walking out on hov, in hopes you'll get another chance?

But j cole is getting that much.

Every song is split down the middle off top. 50 goes to writerS. 1 writer gets 50% or 10 writers split that same 50%. The other 50% goes to producer. Same principle if you have 10 producers, but who does that. That's why Dre will take producer credit but give you "keyboards" or some shyt and pay you out of pocket for your service. He eats forever. Even tho you played the whole damn beat for him on the boards

 

[Darealtwo1]

That's it tho. If you not a nikka in label bidding war, you getting what they give you.

If you never walked into a label and have no other labels calling. How easily are you walking out on hov, in hopes you'll get another chance?

But j cole is getting that much.

Every song is split down the middle off top. 50 goes to writerS. 1 writer gets 50% or 10 writers split that same 50%. The other 50% goes to producer. Same principle if you have 10 producers, but who does that. That's why Dre will take producer credit but give you "keyboards" or some shyt and pay you out of pocket for your service. He eats forever. Even tho you played the whole damn beat for him on the boards

Yeah but producers are automatically credited as writers now.


And I said J cole samples ALOT! Like every track! Who ever he is sampling is taking good amount of it.

 

[Art Barr]

did art barr at least like this song???
he showed some skill here,didn't he???

only tyga song i can stomach, ot be honest!!!

i won't even press play on any new tyga material.
if it wasn't for fake payola making it so his wack records are given fake bds/spins.

i wouldn't have to digest even hearing his wack huff ass in public.

dawg, i was reviewing tyga back as early as i wanna say 2oo5.
maybe as early as 2004, i forget.
yet, this was never a talent who could ever make me pay attention to him.
as, he has no actual skill to warrant investing time in as a listener.

believe me i even used to review all his shyt, too.
i won't take a step back and review or listen to any of his shyt on my own, ever again.

i can't get back those times listening for review and i am not wasting another nanosecond listening to his bullshyt garbage ass.
or any actual youngmoney fraud rappers, regardless of what gen, they are or where they record now.

youngmoney/cashmoney is a fukk'n fraud.
everybody on that bullshyt wack culture thief ass label.


art barr

 

[The Devil's Advocate]

Yeah but producers are automatically credited as writers now.


And I said J cole samples ALOT! Like every track! Who ever he is sampling is taking good amount of it.

I don't believe that's true. I COULD BE 100% WRONG THO.

They are listed on album credits but in contracts. Actually automatically receiving a portion of the writers 50% would be crazy.

But to both our points. It's all about negiotions. Meaning the standard is 50/50 publishing

Now Dre can come in and say he wants 100%


Sampling the same way. You sample me I can say pay me 30k and you good. Or I can say pay me 50% of the publishing.

So without knowing terms of each separate deal. There's no way to know what a person is getting

 

[Art Barr]

NOW people are Tyga fans all of a sudden. so predicatable

not me,..nikka is wack as fukk and only there cause he allowed someone to exploit him.


art barr

 

[fukkyalifestyle]

Yeah but producers are automatically credited as writers now.


And I said J cole samples ALOT! Like every track! Who ever he is sampling is taking good amount of it.

why is your rep so fukked up? I remember hearing J.Cole on DJ Drama show on satellite radio and it was Cole's birthday. He didn't even sound happy or excited and he was on the road at the time. He talked about how he's on the road like 300 days a year constantly touring and he just sounded tired. These guys gotta pay that money back one way or another, record deals today are just horrible. Unless you like Jayz who signed with Live Nation a huge company. Jay started doing a lot more international shows once he signed with live nation because it opened up new doors and he had ton of money to pay back.

 

[The Devil's Advocate]

why is your rep so fukked up? I remember hearing J.Cole on DJ Drama show on satellite radio and it was Cole's birthday. He didn't even sound happy or excited and he was on the road at the time. He talked about how he's on the road like 300 days a year constantly touring and he just sounded tired. These guys gotta pay that money back one way or another, record deals today are just horrible. Unless you like Jayz who signed with Live Nation a huge company. Jay started doing a lot more international shows once he signed with live nation because it opened up new doors and he had ton of money to pay back.

that's not entirely true.. or always the case i should say

with a 360 the pro is, they don't care if you sell a lot of records.. they continue to throw them out, even if you only do 100k.. someone selling 100-200k is good to them as long as they can pack a house and sell products.. where they'd use to drop you

the con of course... they get paid off EVERYTHING... they are getting paid off your shows and merch, which you selling at these shows anyway. they are using favors to get your song in tv and movies and commercials, cause they get a piece of that.. oh YOU in a commercial or becoming a spokesman, yea they getting that too..

there is no side hustle.. cause they putting you in these situations, just so they get a piece.. there's a reason jay-z signed with live and he suddenly doing international shows.. he's suddenly all over tv.. he's suddenly endorsing all sorts of products.. doing out of this world shyt






back with a regular deal.. you'd take all the shows cause they couldn't touch that.. or merch.. you get a reebok deal, they ain't touching that... you get a part in a movie, they ain't touching that... but you had to get it on your own

people didn't do that many shows cause they couldn't make that many deals on their own. now the label is invested in getting you money... the problem with back in the day was... you didn't sell any records, the label had zero incentive to have you there... and if you wasn't signed, nobody was booking you for no show

 

[Darealtwo1]

why is your rep so fukked up? I remember hearing J.Cole on DJ Drama show on satellite radio and it was Cole's birthday. He didn't even sound happy or excited and he was on the road at the time. He talked about how he's on the road like 300 days a year constantly touring and he just sounded tired. These guys gotta pay that money back one way or another, record deals today are just horrible. Unless you like Jayz who signed with Live Nation a huge company. Jay started doing a lot more international shows once he signed with live nation because it opened up new doors and he had ton of money to pay back.

I post a lot in the sport section on here and I go at them. At least -300 is from bashing Teddy Bridgewater in the vikings thread. The other -100 is from going at cowboys fans.

it is what it is...doesn't bother me some nikkas on here think that shyt means something. shyt doesnt effect my life or my bank account. nikkas got real world problems to deal with. Some of these cats go to bed knowing their coli cash and rep

that's not entirely true.. or always the case i should say

with a 360 the pro is, they don't care if you sell a lot of records.. they continue to throw them out, even if you only do 100k.. someone selling 100-200k is good to them as long as they can pack a house and sell products.. where they'd use to drop you

the con of course... they get paid off EVERYTHING... they are getting paid off your shows and merch, which you selling at these shows anyway. they are using favors to get your song in tv and movies and commercials, cause they get a piece of that.. oh YOU in a commercial or becoming a spokesman, yea they getting that too..

there is no side hustle.. cause they putting you in these situations, just so they get a piece.. there's a reason jay-z signed with live and he suddenly doing international shows.. he's suddenly all over tv.. he's suddenly endorsing all sorts of products.. doing out of this world shyt






back with a regular deal.. you'd take all the shows cause they couldn't touch that.. or merch.. you get a reebok deal, they ain't touching that... you get a part in a movie, they ain't touching that... but you had to get it on your own

people didn't do that many shows cause they couldn't make that many deals on their own. now the label is invested in getting you money... the problem with back in the day was... you didn't sell any records, the label had zero incentive to have you there... and if you wasn't signed, nobody was booking you for no show

Yup! You see Rita Ora in Fast and Furious, Jigga gets a piece....now she's gonna be in 50 shades of grey...Jigga looking like thats my girl

 

[<<TheStandard>>]

A Friend of mine (who used to DJ for Tyga and had the same manager) showed me an email where Tyga was turning down a show for 40K back in 2012 because as he said, it wasn't enough money.


That's none of my business tho.

tyga has always been on the outside since he didn't let cortez handle mgmt duties he always had his own mgmt without any of the orig cmb goonies handling paperwork

thats why he been treated like that .. and it aint by chance he started branding last kaangs early - things are just comin home to roost now since ymcmb know he got a dope project wit kanye on board

This is true....and that's why he's doing so well.

J. Erving (Julius Erving's (Dr. J) Son) manages Tyga