Update: NFL upholds Tom Brady 4 Game Suspension

[The Fukin Prophecy]

Before I answer any of your questions, admit you were dead wrong with that leap in logic.

I wasn't and you know it hence the question related to that logic...

Do you believe Brady is innocent?

Simple yes or no bruh...

 

[23Barrettcity]

That extends to his fans. You're whole position is predicated on the notion that he's guilty (or that we believe he is). Which is why you suggest that we should be mad that even participated in such a frivolous scheme that risked punishment. If he's innocent of course I don't want him to be treated as guilty in football circles, and I'm glad he's standing on it and not trying to sell me some "I'm innocent, but I'm going to accept the punishment so we can move on" narrative.

And then the obvious elephant in the room would also be the implications of him being guilty (i.e. the discussion around the impact it had on the game and his and the Pat's accomplishments).

Those two coupled together and it's pretty easy to see why this all matters.

So if Brady loses and has to face a suspension not matter the length you'll condemn him as being a cheater who tainted the title ???
Or you'll say how unfair the investigation was and it was no way he could of won anyway ? I feel like you'll still have issues no matter what

 

[Listen]

So Brady's agent just came out and went on record...

“What happened is this,” Yee began. “After Goodell decided to take the appeal and publicly asked for new information, we were under the authority of the actual commissioner, not private investigators with dubious authority. We decided to provide him with the new information. This was in June. The information that Wells requested covered September 2014 to February 28, 2015. The first thing we did in June was say, ‘Holy cow, do we have a cell phone left from that time period?’ because Tom regularly cycles through phones. We happened to find one and we tested that phone and found it covered the period October through November.

“In a letter to Goodell, we told him that we don’t have any other phones that cover November through March. We believe Tom may have cycled through a phone. We were the ones that disclosed this issue. Meaning that if Tom Brady was trying to hide something, why would we voluntarily disclose that fact?

I asked Yee why Brady would discard or recycle a phone when he knew Wells was seeking the phone in his investigation.

“It wasn’t until February 28 that Ted Wells’ team sent us an e-mail asking for contents off Tom’s phone,” said Yee. “They never asked for the actual device. Ted Wells, in his May 12 press conference actually said that -- he emphasized that. They didn’t want the actual device. On March 2, we wrote back to Ted Wells and told him we considered his request for information off the phone and we declined his request. On March 3, they said they hoped we would reconsider. They knew going into the March 6 hearing that they were not going to get the actual device. They knew that.

“Why did Tom cycle through a phone that week?” Yee continued. “It turns out he just got back to the country after taking a trip. Why did he cycle through the phone that week? The iPhone 6 was coming out. [Brady] happened to want a new phone and knew Ted Wells’ team didn’t want the actual device, they only wanted information from the device.”

Yee then detailed the effort to gather the “additional information” Goodell sought during the appeal.

“We compiled all of Tom’s personal cell phone billing records from his vendor from September through the end of February 2015. The records detail every incoming and outgoing phone call. Every incoming and outgoing text,” Yee explains. “We submitted that to the commissioner. They would then be able to determine were there any other communications with Patriots personnel that were not outlined in the Wells Report. Everything matched up perfectly with the Wells Report with the exception of three texts between Tom and [John] Jastrzemski on February 7, and that was only because Wells had given Jastrzemski’s phone back [on] February 7. As far as any texts prior to the AFC Championship Game, where any alleged scheming would have taken place, Ted Wells would have had any communications between Tom, Jastrzemski and [Jim] McNally. This personal phone billing record compiled by an independent third party shows that he had no communications at all with McNally.

“In an effort to be even more transparent, we decided to offer to the commissioner to disclose the identities of everyone that Tom communicated with. We said that some of these individuals are NFL-related personnel and that the commissioner has the power to compel a search of their phone to see if they have texts remaining on their phone from Tom. The commissioner’s own decision in footnote 11 acknowledges this and says they thought it was impractical to conduct this search. The amount of NFL-related personnel that the league needed to consult, if they so chose, was 28 people. Which is not very many people. And a number of those people they had information from already. Tom texted from December 24 to February 24 these NFL-related personnel. Ten teammates, two current coaches, five former teammates, one NFL Network personnel, five front-office personnel and five other Patriots employees. A number of them, the league had the authority to say, ‘Check your cell phone, we want any text exchanges between you and Tom Brady from that period.’ They chose not to. I don’t know why.”

 

[23Barrettcity]

fandom? Because I don't blame my team's losses on a ball with 1lb less pressure?

I'm definitely not saying that since I'm a giants fan . If your cheating and get Caught though take your L . You still have the ring either way and his fans will give him props for being so obsessed with winning that he'll do anything to win a ring . But unless the NFL is making stuff up ( maybe they are but I doubt that ) his behavior screams coverup

 

[R.E.N. Spells Ren]

I wasn't and you know it hence the question related to that logic...

Do you believe Brady is innocent?

Simple yes or no bruh...

You're delusional and will never admit when you're wrong so no point discussing this further with you.

 

[R.E.N. Spells Ren]

So if Brady loses and has to face a suspension not matter the length you'll condemn him as being a cheater who tainted the title ???
Or you'll say how unfair the investigation was and it was no way he could of won anyway ? I feel like you'll still have issues no matter what

The suspension was upheld, the investigation into his guilt is over. What follows is an investigation/determination of whether or not the league is operating within the guidelines of the CBA.

The NFLPA believes they are not (not just in this case either and that's why they are loving this opportunity to try to air the NFL out).

 

[¯\_(ツ)_/¯]

That's not one better. Not even close. Without their "accounting error" they wouldn't have been able to pay for Terrell Davis or Elway. Saying they had to do it to pay for a new stadium is completely obfuscating the infraction.

Are you denying that they did this to keep those players on the roster?

"The investigation resulted in the discovery of undisclosed agreements between the club and Broncos players during the same period [1996-1998] pursuant to which various players agreed to defer certain compensation in exchange for a commitment to pay interest on the deferred amounts...These agreements were plainly designed to help the club cope with seasonal cash flow problems exacerbated by the Broncos' need to fund front-end expenditures associated with development of the new stadium in Denver." - NFL Executive VP of labor relations Harold Henderson

I don't know what else to tell you. Neither Paul Taligabue or Harold Henderson accused the Broncos of gaining a competitive advantage and stacking the team to win. They did not break league rules that directly related to the sport itself.

 

[JLR Steez]

The investigation was a sham, goodell hired himself as an arbitrator of his own investigation. If he had hired an independent arbitrator, the NFL loses.


If the NFL truly believed in the wells report, then they should have no problem hiring a third party to determine the verdict.

Also the NFL has been embarassing.
Misinformation, partial reports, and a complete lack of integrity by the league in their approach.

 

[R.E.N. Spells Ren]

So Brady's agent just came out and went on record...

The league waited a month, clearly it wasn't as clear cut as they made it seem. Otherwise they would've upheld it by the end of that week. They were just trying to craft a response that made Brady's dishonesty seem unequivocal.

 

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

The information that Wells requested covered September 2014 to February 28, 2015. The first thing we did in June was say, ‘Holy cow, do we have a cell phone left from that time period?’ because Tom regularly cycles through phones. We happened to find one and we tested that phone and found it covered the period October through November.

“In a letter to Goodell, we told him that we don’t have any other phones that cover November through March. We believe Tom may have cycled through a phone

so he has regularly cycled phones throughout the years..but still has one that covers exactly up until the month in question and the one after was destroyed? am i reading that right?

Spoiler

 

[Kang Deezy]

@ not understanding the logic in your own posts...

This is what YOU wrote...


This post CLEARLY implies Brady (the subject of this thread) is innocent because he says so and is taking a "stand on his innocence"...

To anyone with at least half a functional brain Brady is clearly lying and not an innocent man...all the evidence you need to come to that conclusion are his actions...

So now back to my question...If Manson says he's innocent should we believe him and blindly defend him like ma$$holes are doing for Tommy despite his actions?

If you still don't get it I give up....

So you're stereotyping him and accusing him as guilty before its proven?

We don't do that here, hypocrite

 

[South Paw]

So you're stereotyping him and accusing him as guilty before its proven?

We don't do that here, hypocrite

Its already been proven.

The current issue is if the NFL was correctly operating under the CBA. A court ain't gonna look at if Brady is innocent or guilty.

 

[Carlos Huerta]

"The investigation resulted in the discovery of undisclosed agreements between the club and Broncos players during the same period [1996-1998] pursuant to which various players agreed to defer certain compensation in exchange for a commitment to pay interest on the deferred amounts...These agreements were plainly designed to help the club cope with seasonal cash flow problems exacerbated by the Broncos' need to fund front-end expenditures associated with development of the new stadium in Denver." - NFL Executive VP of labor relations Harold Henderson

I don't know what else to tell you. Neither Paul Taligabue or Harold Henderson accused the Broncos of gaining a competitive advantage and stacking the team to win. They did not break league rules that directly related to the sport itself.

You're conveniently using the commissioner's words to the public, which we ALL know will try to stay as far away from any intimations that one of his league's teams cheated. That is the top priority of any commissioner. If there is any way they can spin it so that their league/teams don't look like they've cheated, they will. That's why Goodell looked the other way and let the Pats destroy the Spygate tapes.

A simply little account "snafu" doesn't net you $1 million dollar and loss of a draft pick.

But you're smart enough to know this already. Problem is that you're just as full of shyt as the Pats fans defending Brady. You won't even answer my question that I've asked you three times. You just stay copying and pasting public statements. Broncos wouldn't have had their 2 best players without having done what they did.

 

[The Fukin Prophecy]

So you're stereotyping him and accusing him as guilty before its proven?

We don't do that here, hypocrite

Its already been proven dumbass...

The league has found him guilty of knowingly conspriring to doctor footballs...

 

[resurrection]

P*ts fans still think this needed to be "proven", I see