Vacation: Japan or Italy?

[K.O.N.Y]

Im actually trying to plan a trip to Japan for this summer with the family. If anyone has any ideas on places to go and such it would be greatly appreciated.

Thinking of spending a few days in Kyoto, and Tokyo. Perhaps hit up Osaka?

Your input would be greatly appreciate, especially @Dirty

Actually this is perfect

 

[Neuromancer]

Japan. I like cyberpunk stuff. So I'd go there

 

[Rayzah]

Do you live in Italy breh? I know a whole ton of Italians who love their country but would never understand why any black person would fathom wanting to go there. They themselves understand the place is racist af this isn't news to even them . Now racial tensions are not exactly perfect in the rest of the world but that doesn't mean it's equal. If you stay in the touristy places in any country it won't make a difference what part of the world you go but if you roam and really see the place there is likely a higher chance of experiencing bigoted responses to you there vs. another country. That doesn't stop anyone from traveling but it makes them aware.

Man I'm so sick of everyone's first response about going to another country, being its so racist. shyt ain't that bad cut it out. It seems like anytime someone says that as their first response to a how is this country question they are trying to deter them from going.

Look everyone's experience is going to be different. If you asked me about a country I have been to I will tell you everything about that place not just the one bad thing a few people may have experienced, I may say don't be surprised if some of the people they come off as racist.

I'm not saying they are saints I'm just saying that's not a helpful response or is it a gaurentee that you would experience that.

 

[mbewane]

Do you live in Italy breh? I know a whole ton of Italians who love their country but would never understand why any black person would fathom wanting to go there. They themselves understand the place is racist af this isn't news to even them . Now racial tensions are not exactly perfect in the rest of the world but that doesn't mean it's equal. If you stay in the touristy places in any country it won't make a difference what part of the world you go but if you roam and really see the place there is likely a higher chance of experiencing bigoted responses to you there vs. another country. That doesn't stop anyone from traveling but it makes them aware.

I (mixed Belgian-Central African) lived in Italy for a year and a half and had only one semi-racist occurence happen (this women who I asked the time for thought I wanted to sell her something )

Obviously the fact I learned Italian helped, a lot of looks or whatever might be wrongly considered as racist if you don't really know the culture and the language. They can also talk /answer to you in a manner that some might consider rude/aggressive (and thus "racist" if you're another colour) or that they're "testing" you but after a while you realize they actually do that between themselves too.

Now obviously there's racism there (especially in the North, shyt some of them are "racist" towards Southern Italians) but I've been to Italy countless times since I left and nothing noteworthy ever happened. Again, speaking the language helps a lot obviously. As in much of Europe now, it's worse if you look Arab/North African/Muslim. Or Roma/Gypsy. There's still a lot of actual ignorance in the sense that Black people in Italy is very recent (like mainly since the 90s) so a lot, well, just don't know much about Black people, only what the bullshyt Italian media (which is really terrible) show them, and movies.

And in general if you come from the US you're likey to be seen first as an American, second as a Black person.

Anyways I've never been to Japan but you can't go wrong with Italy, culture, scenery, food are great. Be advised that the "South" of Italy (which really is Rome downwards) is often chaotic in terms of organization, public transportation (once had a train delayed...for 24 hours ).

Obviously the usual suspects are amazing (Venice, Florence, Rome...) but it's well worth going to smaller towns (Lucca -close to Florence-, Perugia -nice jazz festival in July I think-, Bologna...). Italy is very decentralized historically (I think it's only been unified for a little more than a century or so) so cities have very strong local identities. Check out the countryside too. Tuscany, Marche - a region that is off the usual tourist routes - Emilia-Romagna, and then off course Sicily (from the regions that I actually saw). From my limited experience (been there twice, but each time for like only 2 days) Milan ain't really all that, very industrial. Turin also wasn't that great, but was also there for a couple days only.

 

[Yehuda]

Muthaphuckas catching feelings cause dude said he heard Italians are racist lmfaooo

Yeah protect your country's honor at all costs, cacs.

 

[Bless't]

Italian women> Japanese

 

[Fatboi1]

Japan. That plane ride a bytch though

 

[Black Magisterialness]

Never been to Japan ... it's on my high priority list ... but have been to Italy several times. If you are into art - go, if you are into exquisite food - go. I reccomend Verona, Venice, Milan and Rome. Venice is my favorite once you get in a semi seculeded spot away from a lot of the tourists. The language is not much of a barrrier because (like a lot of Europe) most people are willing to speak English once they see you are not from there ...

Did you do Florence? I had to cancel a trip to Italy for a death in the family. I was thinking of doing Milan, Florence, Rome. I have to see the Duomo before I die. I also speak the language so I don't think that would be too much of a barrier.

How did you like Venezia?

 

[Black Magisterialness]

I (mixed Belgian-Central African) lived in Italy for a year and a half and had only one semi-racist occurence happen (this women who I asked the time for thought I wanted to sell her something )

Obviously the fact I learned Italian helped, a lot of looks or whatever might be wrongly considered as racist if you don't really know the culture and the language. They can also talk /answer to you in a manner that some might consider rude/aggressive (and thus "racist" if you're another colour) or that they're "testing" you but after a while you realize they actually do that between themselves too.

Now obviously there's racism there (especially in the North, shyt some of them are "racist" towards Southern Italians) but I've been to Italy countless times since I left and nothing noteworthy ever happened. Again, speaking the language helps a lot obviously. As in much of Europe now, it's worse if you look Arab/North African/Muslim. Or Roma/Gypsy. There's still a lot of actual ignorance in the sense that Black people in Italy is very recent (like mainly since the 90s) so a lot, well, just don't know much about Black people, only what the bullshyt Italian media (which is really terrible) show them, and movies.

And in general if you come from the US you're likey to be seen first as an American, second as a Black person.

Anyways I've never been to Japan but you can't go wrong with Italy, culture, scenery, food are great. Be advised that the "South" of Italy (which really is Rome downwards) is often chaotic in terms of organization, public transportation (once had a train delayed...for 24 hours ).

Obviously the usual suspects are amazing (Venice, Florence, Rome...) but it's well worth going to smaller towns (Lucca -close to Florence-, Perugia -nice jazz festival in July I think-, Bologna...). Italy is very decentralized historically (I think it's only been unified for a little more than a century or so) so cities have very strong local identities. Check out the countryside too. Tuscany, Marche - a region that is off the usual tourist routes - Emilia-Romagna, and then off course Sicily (from the regions that I actually saw). From my limited experience (been there twice, but each time for like only 2 days) Milan ain't really all that, very industrial. Turin also wasn't that great, but was also there for a couple days only.

Aiutami, amico. Parlando italiano davvero aiutare? Scrivere o leggere é facile per me, ma parlando....

 

[mbewane]

Aiutami, amico. Parlando italiano davvero aiutare? Scrivere o leggere é facile per me, ma parlando....

Cosa ti posso dire caro, l'unico modo è di praticare la lingua

Ti devi trovare una ragazza italiana

O guardarti qualche film in italiano se ne trovi

 

[Address_Unknown]

Japan. That plane ride a bytch though

'cause of the duration or were there other factors that weighed on you since I'm assuming you've made that journey?

 

[XII]

Go to cac countries, brehs

 

[CHICAGOrilla]

Japan. Home of great technology, anime, and them Japanese girls that wear fubu and love brehs

 

[Kaypain]

He'll yeah I'm going to Japan, I want a Japanese BJ

 

[Rayzah]

I (mixed Belgian-Central African) lived in Italy for a year and a half and had only one semi-racist occurence happen (this women who I asked the time for thought I wanted to sell her something )

Obviously the fact I learned Italian helped, a lot of looks or whatever might be wrongly considered as racist if you don't really know the culture and the language. They can also talk /answer to you in a manner that some might consider rude/aggressive (and thus "racist" if you're another colour) or that they're "testing" you but after a while you realize they actually do that between themselves too.

Now obviously there's racism there (especially in the North, shyt some of them are "racist" towards Southern Italians) but I've been to Italy countless times since I left and nothing noteworthy ever happened. Again, speaking the language helps a lot obviously. As in much of Europe now, it's worse if you look Arab/North African/Muslim. Or Roma/Gypsy. There's still a lot of actual ignorance in the sense that Black people in Italy is very recent (like mainly since the 90s) so a lot, well, just don't know much about Black people, only what the bullshyt Italian media (which is really terrible) show them, and movies.

And in general if you come from the US you're likey to be seen first as an American, second as a Black person.

Anyways I've never been to Japan but you can't go wrong with Italy, culture, scenery, food are great. Be advised that the "South" of Italy (which really is Rome downwards) is often chaotic in terms of organization, public transportation (once had a train delayed...for 24 hours ).

Obviously the usual suspects are amazing (Venice, Florence, Rome...) but it's well worth going to smaller towns (Lucca -close to Florence-, Perugia -nice jazz festival in July I think-, Bologna...). Italy is very decentralized historically (I think it's only been unified for a little more than a century or so) so cities have very strong local identities. Check out the countryside too. Tuscany, Marche - a region that is off the usual tourist routes - Emilia-Romagna, and then off course Sicily (from the regions that I actually saw). From my limited experience (been there twice, but each time for like only 2 days) Milan ain't really all that, very industrial. Turin also wasn't that great, but was also there for a couple days only.

That's what in saying, people talk like they have experienced any of this racism personally. They just going off what someone said which is why I responded the way I did. We need to quit basing our decisions to travel off isolated incidents