Vince Carter explaining how the game has changed :wow:

[Benefited]

Zones and a lack of team three-point shooting are the very thing that has kept Lebron contained at any point in his career.

Who the hell was going to stop him with man-to-man defense and no help in the 1990s? You gonna hand-check 265lb Lebron out of the key?

Remember, Lebron was coming out of high school in 03/04, the most defensive year in basketball (illegal defense AND hand-checking were allowed at the same time). And he averaged 21-6-6 as an 18-year-old rookie.

I'm sure the league was racking their brains, trying to figure out how they could turn such a limited talent into a superstar.

He would have been stopped mentally or did you guys miss that part of the video. We saw what happened when physical teams played Lebron,dissapearing acts when it counted. He sure wasn't winning no chips and living up to expectations of being "The King".

He was forced to run to Miami and create a superteam.

Shouldnt have said he wouldn't have been a superstar,he was a superstar before he was drafted. But he wouldn't have any chips so he wouldn't have been seen on the level he is now as holding up the league. At best he would be Iverson status,and probably not that since he is not as beloved culturally and is not as fun to watch.

 

[Rigby.]

He would have been stopped mentally or did you guys miss that part of the video. We saw what happened when physical teams played Lebron,dissapearing acts when it counted. He sure wasn't winning no chips and living up to expectations of being "The King".

He was forced to run to Miami and create a superteam.

yeah it was teams being physical, not there being 4 all stars vs 1

nothing to do with the sheer talent difference in the Celtics matchup, not even the fact that Bron individually ate in that match up, which would completely destroy your theory of him "disappearing", he was clamped up

There are some LeBron haters who use logic, reasoning, and such to their advantage in an argument. But theres so few of those on this board and you are not one of them.

 

[Rigby.]

I may be wrong, but Im pretty sure Bron tore the fukking soul out of a Pistons team just a couple years removed from wearing down the Lakers team almost dolo. Quite a physical team if you might remember

 

[Benefited]

yeah it was teams being physical, not there being 4 all stars vs 1

nothing to do with the sheer talent difference in the Celtics matchup, not even the fact that Bron individually ate in that match up, which would completely destroy your theory of him "disappearing", he was clamped up

There are some LeBron haters who use logic, reasoning, and such to their advantage in an argument. But theres so few of those on this board and you are not one of them.

I watched the games,he wasn't "clamped up".

If its 1 vs 4,why are you all of a sudden passing and "deferring" to those same so called bums during crunch time?

There are very few Lebron stans who aren't flat out liars,you are just another typical stan in the church of Lebron.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

He would have been stopped mentally or did you guys miss that part of the video. We saw what happened when physical teams played Lebron,dissapearing acts when it counted. He sure wasn't winning no chips and living up to expectations of being "The King".

He was forced to run to Miami and create a superteam.

Shouldnt have said he wouldn't have been a superstar,he was a superstar before he was drafted. But he wouldn't have any chips so he wouldn't have been seen on the level he is now as holding up the league. At best he would be Iverson status,and probably not that since he is not as beloved culturally and is not as fun to watch.

Detroit was one of the most physical teams in the NBA and he was a dominant force against them, nearly taking the defending champs out in his very first playoffs (when Flip and Snow were his guards!) and then tearing out their souls with his 48 game the next year.

Boston was physical as hell yet Lebron had 45 in Game 7 in their pinnacle year, the same year they killed the Lakers going away in 6.

Orlando had Dwight in the middle and yet Lebron averaged 40-8-8 against them for the series.

Chicago under Thibs, Indiana when Hibbert could still play basketball, San Antonio with Kawhi, he's played well against plenty of VERY physical teams.

Boston had 4 players who were better than anyone on the Cavs not named Lebron. THAT is why he couldn't win.

Stay seven years on a team without them signing a single player better than Mo Williams, brehs .

If its 1 vs 4,why are you all of a sudden passing and "deferring" to those same so called bums during crunch time?

Because it's downright stupid to go 1-on-3 against a team that knows you're not going to pass, no matter how good you are. Jordan was great yet he still let John Paxson, Steve Kerr, etc. win huge games in crunch time. Kobe still got bailed out by guys like Horry and Fisher in the right moments. If your teammate is open, you have to trust them to make the open shot. Stop doing that and you'll be playing 1-on-5, and no one in NBA history can win games consistently that way.

 

[J-Fire]

Zone defense being allowed was during the early nba 2k era on xbox when shaq and Iverson were in their primes!!! Everyone claiming it was to slow them down, lol.

The only difference is that you have more shooters spreading the floor. 2009 Orlando magic showed to first legit signs of a jump shooting team being able to win it all. However only the Golden State warriors have done as such because Steph and Then KD could still go one-on-one traditionally.


People not trying to have a shaq to slow it down and control tempo for some reason. Robert Horry at the 4 was relevant back in the day and would be solid in the league today. I think 99-2002 lakers could hang in there and have a chance to win it all these days if kobe would play smart and not let perimeter pressure mess with his head and giving up the ball to shaq while he was standing 15 feet away from the basket, lol.

 

[Premeditated]

im taking a words or a current nba player who played in both era over message board analyst

 

[steph_harden]

They had to do something to allow Bron to become a superstar and live up to the hype



It gets spooky when you begin to imagine how much guys like Kobe,T Mac,Vince would have scored in this era. Iverson would have been downright scary to try to stop if you couldn't get up on him tight or destroy him once he gets in the lane

That’s the dude I think of the most when comparing which past player would do damage in this era. The Answer used to get slumped up and battered more than any other player and he was still killing nikkas.

I seen a clip during the Bucks/Sixers series where this nikka Scott Williams clips AI with a flying elbow to the neck and AI just gets up and shoots his free throws.

Imagine AI in an era where he didn’t have to deal with that bullshyt and u couldn’t even put a forearm on him. His numbers would be redic...his efficiency would skyrocket something crazy.

 

[mr. smoke weed]

This is all by design, it's no wonder that viewership continues to increase and the flow of the game is much faster and not such a slog to watch.

Kudos to Silver (and maybe Stern)

Has domestic viewership of the NBA gone up? I feel like I hear abt the NBA less now than ever. But I don’t have ESPN on unless I’m st the gym.

 

[ade]

Some of these coli posters are delusional.Even tf you raised the fg% of Iverson,Carter,etc...by 5%,they would averaged 2-3 more points at the most.The only way these guys would avg 40 ppg is if they were taking 30 fg's per game.

The only person that could realistically get to 40ppg within their offensive output would be Jordan. Everybody else would have to be chucking 30 times a game just to get there. And as much as Kobe and Iverson shot it they never averaged 30 shots a game.

 

[Damnshow]

They had to do something to allow Bron to become a superstar and live up to the hype



It gets spooky when you begin to imagine how much guys like Kobe,T Mac,Vince would have scored in this era. Iverson would have been downright scary to try to stop if you couldn't get up on him tight or destroy him once he gets in the lane

oh hey look another old b*stard who thinks every player in todays era is less talented than ISO 00s. Must be fun watching basketball to hate on basketball players, probably there isnt one game that you watch where you wouldnt be complaining about the game, but yet you still watch

the rule changes have been made to let the european market inside the nba, it has nothing to do with brehs who are build to destroy muthafukkas on court. You sound like a cac if you think bron couldnt play that well in other eras.

if you think nba was trying to let lebron live up to potential then the same can be said about MJ too, wasnt the nba softening rules in early 90s to eliminate detroit pistons defense? how come players from ISO ball era have been averaging so many free throw attempts, would nba refs stop blowing whistle when bron attacks the rim in 90s?

 

[Woodrow]

KOBE 45 PPG

IVERSON 41 PPG

TMAC 40 PPG

VINSANITY 38 PPG

THIS IS NOT AN EXAGGERATION

Nostalgia is a hell of a drug.

 

[LEEeveryday]

These leagues obviously want white athletes to be more successful in these leagues..

 

[Harry B]

Players want to be in shape for the playoffs.
I never understood the thing with because it was tougher, today's players could play there.
The players of today adjust to the evolution of the rules. Also for the same reason new players couldn't play in the old days is the same reason the old players couldn't play in the new game.

 

[The_Third_Man]

oh hey look another old b*stard who thinks every player in todays era is less talented than ISO 00s. Must be fun watching basketball to hate on basketball players, probably there isnt one game that you watch where you wouldnt be complaining about the game, but yet you still watch

the rule changes have been made to let the european market inside the nba, it has nothing to do with brehs who are build to destroy muthafukkas on court. You sound like a cac if you think bron couldnt play that well in other eras.

if you think nba was trying to let lebron live up to potential then the same can be said about MJ too, wasnt the nba softening rules in early 90s to eliminate detroit pistons defense? how come players from ISO ball era have been averaging so many free throw attempts, would nba refs stop blowing whistle when bron attacks the rim in 90s?

exactly

check this article from 1994 (that wasn't even the first time hand check rules were changed)
New Rules Are Radically Changing the NBA