Wade: Bron catching Jordan is a pipes dream

[David_TheMan]

You do realize mj got those triple doubles in larger volume and in shorter time span playing away from his natural at pg.
Whereas alternatively lebron playing his natural never averaged a triple double.
Plus mj at his natural averages more in scoring and was a better skill player in every facet.
Plus mj was a better passer and it is evident by his averages at the pg position bron jettisoned.
Arguably mj is the best pg of all time as well.
statistically mj has the highest average of a triple double a game as a pg given the situation.

Bron is nowhere near mj as a skillplayer.


Art Barr

Doesn't matter if he got them all in a short time span, triple doubles isn't about getting them in bunches, its about getting them period. also Jordan was not and never will be a natural PG. EVER. He was a natural 2.
There is no position where its natural to average a fukking triple double, wtf are you talking about. Big O still the only one that average a triple double for a career, and its because he was that good.
MJ is a better scorer than LeBron, never been argued he wasn't.
He isn't a better passer, rebounder, or defender than LeBron, nowhere close. There is a reason defensively they would put Scottie on the best opposing offensive player after 93 and LeBron still will switch to the best offensive player 1 - 4 in year 13 of his career. They don't hide LeBron.
MJ wasn't a better passer nor a natural passer as LeBron. LeBron is on Magic and Bird level with court vision, MJ was a below average passer and rebounder for his position, hell you should be old enough to know how they would inflate MJ"s assists to get him double doubles as well, they would give him assists when he passed to the man who made the pass to the scorer, or give him an assists when he passed to the post and the man held the ball and made a post move. It was a joke, especially in Chicago.

MJ isn't a better PG than West, Thomas, Cousey, Magic, Kidd, Stockton, LeBron, M Jackson, CP3, Big O, and I could go on, because he was not a PG..

MJ wishes he could have been as complete a player as LeBron.
MJ is a excellent scorer, the best 2 guard in the history of the NBA, that is it.

 

[William F. Russell]

Bill Russell won 11

In 13 years. And 8 straight.

And he was player-coach for the last 2.

 

[David_TheMan]

Exactly. And then he'll stat pad everything else to make it seem like he did it all on his own.

Kyrie the real MVP but it was LeBron who made the block to keep the game tied, who made the plays during the game to keep it close, who led the team back from a 3-1 deficit with back to back 40+ games, who led both teams again in every statistical category, and who setup Kyrie with the shot in the first place.

The LeBron hate you folks have is something else.

 

[Art Barr]

Uhhh the leader in total stats for one playoff series is gonna be the leader on average too. Both teams are playing the same amount of games. It's not a narrative shift at all

No he is not,...

An average is what is produced without fail.
Lebron only had points total explosions after admin and health issues hampered the warriors.
Now, granted the same similar health issues hampered the cavs as well the previous finals.
Bron is the player who if he had the IQ.
could have and should have beat the warriors as a lone wolf in their first encounter in the finals.
The warriors are not as dominant a team and did not have as dominant a lone player as bron.
so, warriors are not going to come under the same scrutiny.
for not converting in the finals after facing similar issues.
that mirrored and plagues the cavs in health and admin issues in this finals that just passed.

Bron's inability to convert as a lone wolf is also why he will never be better than Jordan.
As Jordan always found a way as a lone wolf to convert in final appearances regardless of the circumstance.


Art Barr

 

[lotteryplaya]

wade might not get a James family Christmas card this year

 

[TheEgyptianConniption]

Anyone else find Wade's golf analogies a bit funny? Not quite how it works.

 

[homiedontplaydat]

Kyrie the real MVP but it was LeBron who made the block to keep the game tied, who made the plays during the game to keep it close, who led the team back from a 3-1 deficit with back to back 40+ games, who led both teams again in every statistical category, and who setup Kyrie with the shot in the first place.

The LeBron hate you folks have is something else.

All I'm saying is yall talk about Kyrie like he was an after thought in this year's finals when in fact he made alot of key shots and kept the offense going when Bron was brickin jumpshots and getting stripped in the lane.

Bron put in work no doubt but Kyrie is not getting the credit he deserves for last year's finals. Bron needed kyrie just as much as kyrie needed him

 

[David_TheMan]

All I'm saying is yall talk about Kyrie like he was an after thought in this year's finals when in fact he made alot of key shots and kept the offense going when Bron was brickin jumpshots and getting stripped in the lane.

Bron put in work no doubt but Kyrie is not getting the credit he deserves for last year's finals. Bron needed kyrie just as much as kyrie needed him

Not one person in this thread said anything about Kyrie at all, let alone anything negative about him.
You making a strawman argument and trying to throw Kyrie in the mix because you don't have anything of substance in what you are talking about.
Now i've yet to see any of you folks say shyt about Scottie Pippen when discussing MJ.
MJ needed Scottie more than LeBron needed Kyrie, and you look at the resume can confirm that.

 

[Art Barr]

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Doesn't matter if he got them all in a short time span, triple doubles isn't about getting them in bunches, its about getting them period. also Jordan was not and never will be a natural PG. EVER. He was a natural 2.
There is no position where its natural to average a fukking triple double, wtf are you talking about. Big O still the only one that average a triple double for a career, and its because he was that good.
MJ is a better scorer than LeBron, never been argued he wasn't.
He isn't a better passer, rebounder, or defender than LeBron, nowhere close. There is a reason defensively they would put Scottie on the best opposing offensive player after 93 and LeBron still will switch to the best offensive player 1 - 4 in year 13 of his career. They don't hide LeBron.
MJ wasn't a better passer nor a natural passer as LeBron. LeBron is on Magic and Bird level with court vision, MJ was a below average passer and rebounder for his position, hell you should be old enough to know how they would inflate MJ"s assists to get him double doubles as well, they would give him assists when he passed to the man who made the pass to the scorer, or give him an assists when he passed to the post and the man held the ball and made a post move. It was a joke, especially in Chicago.

MJ isn't a better PG than West, Thomas, Cousey, Magic, Kidd, Stockton, LeBron, M Jackson, CP3, Big O, and I could go on, because he was not a PG..

MJ wishes he could have been as complete a player as LeBron.
MJ is a excellent scorer, the best 2 guard in the history of the NBA, that is it.

Jordan is a better pg, passer, scorer defender, IQ player, skill player, executer, executer under duress than bron, period.
We can go to the facts, the analytics, etc.
Plus we can do the eye test.
Regardless you will lose in this and if you wanna make it more in depth we can and you will lose.
Michael Jordan was a better pg than bron easily and if you did not see it you are not qualified to speak on this.


http://www.google.com/url?q=http://...ggLMAA&usg=AFQjCNGXnhQ1xvkyiNRNK9ZXmTHpNcmFUQ
You little nikkaz did not see mj play.


Just stop cause if you don't imma post more facts to clown you.
Jordan was the real original glove and mj was a better defender than pippen and pippen would say so.
Pippen was just given duties on magic in the finals.
From the discoveryzone from mj playing point and how it paralleled to pippen ramping up and garnering duties to lessen the load mj carried.
This is how I know nikkaz don't know what they are talembout and never really saw mj play past clips and NBC way after a change in playing style.

You never saw mike like that, breh.
I know so because you don't know this shyt.

Which I can prove if you wanna continue to get tabled't in long hand.
Anyway you want it you will lose as there are no facts to aid you and no visual aids to support your argument either.


Art Barr

 

[Art Barr]

All I'm saying is yall talk about Kyrie like he was an after thought in this year's finals when in fact he made alot of key shots and kept the offense going when Bron was brickin jumpshots and getting stripped in the lane.

Bron put in work no doubt but Kyrie is not getting the credit he deserves for last year's finals. Bron needed kyrie just as much as kyrie needed him

If no top pedigreed pg of the current Gen in kyrie is available.
Bron does not win period.
Kyrie was the MVP of this series and the media just created this narrative to give bron his Jim brown moment in pr.
When in reality the very reason why golden state was even a threat. Is bron traded away the most pedigreed backcourt in history with Wiggins.

Art Barr

 

[homiedontplaydat]

Not one person in this thread said anything about Kyrie at all, let alone anything negative about him.
You making a strawman argument and trying to throw Kyrie in the mix because you don't have anything of substance in what you are talking about.
Now i've yet to see any of you folks say shyt about Scottie Pippen when discussing MJ.
MJ needed Scottie more than LeBron needed Kyrie, and you look at the resume can confirm that.

I'm not talking about this thread SPECIFICALLY just in general. Are u really pretending that Kyrie got the same love Bron did when they won that chip this summer? All you hear about is how Bron led the series in everything statistical and carried the team to that ring. Those stats are misleading, anybody watching that series can tell u how much the offense benefited from Kyrie when Bron was stagnant. Bron can't even shoot the damn ball and was getting stripped just about every time he drove the paint until Iggy and Draymond got taken out of the series. Bron gets wayyyy too much credit for that ring

 

[David_TheMan]

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Jordan is a better pg, passer, scorer defender, IQ player, skill player, executer, executer under duress than bron, period.
We can go to the facts, the analytics, etc.
Plus we can do the eye test.
Regardless you will lose in this and if you wanna make it more in depth we can and you will lose.
Michael Jordan was a better pg than bron easily and if you did not see it you are not qualified to speak on this.


http://www.google.com/url?q=http://...ggLMAA&usg=AFQjCNGXnhQ1xvkyiNRNK9ZXmTHpNcmFUQ
You little nikkaz did not see mj play.


Just stop cause if you don't imma post more facts to clown you.
Jordan was the real original glove and mj was a better defender than pippen and pippen would say so.
Pippen was just given duties on magic in the finals.
From the discoveryzone from mj playing point and how it paralleled to pippen ramping up and garnering duties to lessen the load mj carried.
This is how I know nikkaz don't know what they are talembout and never really saw mj play past clips and NBC way after a change in playing style.

You never saw mike like that, breh.
I know so because you don't know this shyt.

Which I can prove if you wanna continue to get tabled't in long hand.
Anyway you want it you will lose as there are no facts to aid you and no visual aids to support your argument either.


Art Barr

Jordan doesn't pass as good as LBJ hence way Jordan has less assists. To claim he is a better passer when statistics and those of us who saw both play know Jordan wasn't capable of making those down court, cross court passes that LeBron is able to whip is ridiculous. You and I both know it . Its why Jordan isn't even in the top 25 in league history in assists, while LeBron is ranked 18th of all time as a fukking small forward.

How Jordan is a better defender when he had to be protected by Scottie? LeBron is a better version of Scottie Pippen defensively (Scottie said the same himself) so you trying to tell me MJ is a better defender than the man who is a better version of the man tasked to pick up the slack that Jordan couldn't handle? Nah kid.

IQ is a wash with me, both have tremendous BB IQ, but I'll say this, LBJ makes his teammates better with his IQ, Jordan didn't do that in the 80s.
Skill player LeBron has more skills that he excels at than Jordan, no way that is arguable. LeBron actually runs his offense, it isn't something liek the triangle that runs itself and doesn't needs a true PG, so on execution I'll say the advantage goes to LeBron because he actually runs the offense and calls the plays. Under pressure stats show LeBron has better stats under pressure in close out games than MJ.

Yes we can go facts and we can go eye balls, its whatever you want with me.

You already lost , you pulling out links about MJ could have been, I don't give a fukk what anyone thinks MJ could have been, we know what HE WAS. There is no more could have been for MJ, his career is finished, he wasn't a PG and never will be considered a great PG ever. End of discussion.

You can post whatever you want, I'm waiting and I'm ready and willing to go right back at you with facts.

MJ was a great defender first 4 years, after 92 - 93 there was a real drop off and Pippen was the one they used to guard 1 - 4 to take them out of their offensive rhythm, not Jordan. This is a fact. Phil and Pippen know this, it was the gameplan.

Now I see you want to make excuse for Jordan need Pipper to protect him, but you denigrate LBJ for needing any help, that MJ dikkriding knows nothing about logical consistency.

I saw MJ on national tv, NBC every week, and I respect his game but I'll never fall for the hype of him. I saw that man punch Reggie Miller and Reggie get ejected. I saw the man palm the ball and carry and never be called, I saw him get assists when he didn't need them and even teh announcers joke about it. I saw it in his prime as a kid. So don't try to talk about the MJ stories like I didn't see that shyt with my own eyes.

Now bring out your big guns kid, lets go.

 

[David_TheMan]

If no top pedigreed pg of the current Gen in kyrie is available.
Bron does not win period.
Kyrie was the MVP of this series and the media just created this narrative to give bron his Jim brown moment in pr.
When in reality the very reason why golden state was even a threat. Is bron traded away the most pedigreed backcourt in history with Wiggins.

Art Barr

Bron does not win but he won 3 titles as the man on both teams, nikka you can't even speak on the man and talk about reality.

 

[David_TheMan]

I'm not talking about this thread SPECIFICALLY just in general. Are u really pretending that Kyrie got the same love Bron did when they won that chip this summer? All you hear about is how Bron led the series in everything statistical category and carried the team to that ring. Those stats are misleading, anybody watching that series can tell u how much the offense benefited from Kyrie when Bron was stagnant. Bron can't even shoot the damn ball and was getting stripped just about every time he drove the paint until Iggy and Draymond got taken out of the series. Bron gets wayyyy too much credit for that ring

If you want to talk about Kyrie talk about it in the thread where that shyt came up. This thread aint about him, its about MJ and if LBJ can catch him. So stop trying to derail.
As for Kyrie, he gets all the love he needs and he isn't being short changed at all.
LeBron led that team, he lead the comeback, he led the defensive and the winning effort in game 7.
The stats aren't misleading at all, but hey you want to hate on LBJ for not taking the shot, and ignore the game winning defensive play and the setup that led to Kyrie's shot, fine.
Just hold MJ to the same standard with the Kerr and Paxton shots. Hold the same standard for Shaq and TD with Horry shots. But you LBJ haters never do, because you don't know what objectivity is, blinded by a hate for LBJ for whatever reason.

 

[Art Barr]

Kyrie the real MVP but it was LeBron who made the block to keep the game tied, who made the plays during the game to keep it close, who led the team back from a 3-1 deficit with back to back 40+ games, who led both teams again in every statistical category, and who setup Kyrie with the shot in the first place.

The LeBron hate you folks have is something else.

It is not hate and I used to be the biggest bron Stan on this board, too.
I was the biggest Wiggins Stan and I definitely know more about Michael Jordan than nikkaz on this board as well.
As I definitely am a bigger fan of Michael Jordan than nikkaz as well.

As soon as I stopped propping bron.
Y'all bron supporters got owned by Kobe stans.
When, there was an argument that easily was in bron favor.
I know what it was before bron became his own worst enemy and debunked himself.
As I am a person who put the indefensible argument out there.
to dispel and shut up Kobe haters to keep them off y'all other bron supporters neck
Bron created the mythos and success of Gs.
Bron even created why in the end Kobe lapped him from behind in legacy as well.

As bron will never surpass even Kobe in argument now.
Bron, exposed he really had no large bball IQ or ability to execute.
when of size position iq adequate to high IQ paint defenders are present.
It is just the Admin issues and argument of Gs in this year's finals by semantics.
makes it fair game in general fan perception.
Yet anyone who knows bball knows that gs had no adequate IQ and of size rim protection.
Then were reduced in effectiveness on the defensive end from the loss of bogut.
Coupled with admin issues to draymon.
Which was triggered by social issues, between him and draymon because the warriors embarrassed bron.
from the previous finals through the regular season till this year's finals.
[whereas alternatively a green noob wolves lewd by wig/kat bested the warriors in a mentally gripping IQ possession detailed ot game during the regular season].
When real talk, when bron was in the driver's seat..he let a nikka blow in his fukk'n ear and that is worse than anybody calling you a bytch.
Bron was grasping for straws.
feeling some type of way and lashed out in his passive aggressive manner.
to put into play admin issues to aid him with draymon.
He never singlehandidly bested the warriors.
He passive aggressively acted like a cheating bf jn wrasslin.
who has been owned by a heel champion via the work.
That now he can act villified in a tweener fashion.
to aid him to secure a title.

Only reason fair is fair in pr for a casual in this.
Is all because of the cavs previous injuries in the previous finals.
being undermanned with effective iq and pedigree player.
which fell on bron because his admin of the team.
Traded away the pedigreed piece in Wiggins he needed to convert.
All because he is not a lone wolf dog like Jordan was at all.
So this whole fake ass bron is equivalent to.
Jim brown on the browns in a bball uniform for the cavs myth is could exist.



Art Barr