What happened to the 'Vote or you ain't s***' crowd? Seriously, where ya'll at?

[Brolic Scholar]

I’ll bite. I’m sure illl get negged into oblivion like always for not jumping into another one of your liberal hate circle jerks.....

What black issues do you want these politicians address?

My top issues that Dems are focusing on just off the top of the dome that will help black people:

1. Health Care
2. Education
3. Criminal Justice Reform
4. Strengthening the funding of our social programs.

I don’t have time to go back and forth this morning so I’ll say my piece and keep it moving.

1. Even if health care is universal and everyone has it at some point, it doesn’t address the racist practices in the health care profession that end up hurting black folks. The Dems don’t put laws on the books that punish unfair treatment to black folks in health care. This issue isn’t new. Black folks have been mistreated and experimented on FOR DECADES by the medical profession which is why there is a distrust for medicine in our community and why a lot of illnesses go untreated.


Racism and discrimination in health care: Providers and patients - Harvard Health Blog

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...tues-are-under-attack/?utm_term=.c9241bb1db10

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...e-syphilis-experiment/?utm_term=.ff65d33433b1

2. I’m short on time, so I’ll skip this one, but we all know that black schools have been intentionally underfunded so we can be left behind. Since Brown vs The Board of Education, whites have redrawn district lines to keep our people in the worse schools. In some cases black parents are sent to jail for trying to send their kids to better schools. What are the Dems doing about shyt like that? Nothing. Because they don’t want “******s” at their schools either.

Ohio Mom Jailed for Sending Kids to Better School District

3. Not all black people are criminals. Saying “criminal justice reform” assumes blackness in itself is criminal. Has any Dem addresses the problem with the 13th amendment?

4. nikka please. You mean bullshyt programs for “minorities”? We have our own set of problems that are left unaddressed specifically.

 

[dj-method-x]

They say...

1. Health Care
2. Education
3. Criminal Justice Reform
4. Strengthening the funding of our social programs.

1) health care is some basic human rights shyt... If the dems and gop politicians werent in the pocket of big health companies we'd have systems like Canada and other nations- except better because we're a more wealthy nation. (Ntm.... Our social status that is being Ignored by Dems we vote for is Why we Need More health care than most groups)

It’s the progressives that are fighting for universal health care like Canada so I’m not sure how this proves your point. It’s the gop that wants the status quo of of health care NOT being a basic right.

2) liberal have failed at this public school shyt, lol.... Look at cities that have voted dem the last 40 yrs. Look at major cities and concentrated liberal areas.

You can only do so much with local politics. The GOP has held most of the power in state and federal politics, not to mention judicially. They have thwarted a lot of the progress that people have tried to make locally. Look at St Louis, Atlanta, Miami, etc as case studies for this.

3) clinton.... Crime bills. And most politicans are in private prisons pocket. And Obama gave over 100 gay rights speeches... Very few on prison reform.

As far as Clinton goes you’re right, he fukked up with the crime bills. But to be fair, ALOT of black community leaders were also lobbying him and selling those bills. In hindsight this was definitely a mistake.

As far as Obama, one of the very first things he did as President was change minimum sentence guidelines. He also moved to permanently shutter all federal private prisons. He also granted clemency to more non violent drug offenders THAN ALL PREVIOUS PRESIDENTS COMBINED

4) The damn social programs are partially responsible for the break down of our family units- which affects our social economic statues. Ntm, other groups EVERY time benifit more than us on social programs.

How are programs like free lunch programs for kids, CHIP, Medicaid, Medicaid and social security responsible for the break down of our family units?

And beyond all that.... Why do these people think its okay that gays, immigrants, etc get specific bills but blacks are expected to just use whatever scraps are left over?

As I asked before, what things do you want done for blacks and only blacks that is achievable politically?

 

[dj-method-x]

I don’t have time to go back and forth this morning so I’ll say my piece and keep it moving.

1. Even if health care is universal and everyone has it at some point, it doesn’t address the racist practices in the health care profession that end up hurting black folks. The Dems don’t put laws on the books that punish unfair treatment to black folks in health care. This issue isn’t new. Black folks have been mistreated and experimented on FOR DECADES by the medical profession which is why there is a distrust for medicine in our community and why a lot of illnesses go untreated.


Racism and discrimination in health care: Providers and patients - Harvard Health Blog

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...tues-are-under-attack/?utm_term=.c9241bb1db10

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...e-syphilis-experiment/?utm_term=.ff65d33433b1

The problems of racist doctors and universal healthcare are two separate issues. What can be done politically to help with the former? You can fight for universal health care and be against racism practiced by invidual in health care so I’m not sure where you are coming from here.

2. I’m short on time, so I’ll skip this one, but we all know that black schools have been intentionally underfunded so we can be left behind. Since Brown vs The Board of Education, whites have redrawn district lines to keep our people in the worse schools. In some cases black parents are sent to jail for trying to send their kids to better schools. What are the Dems doing about shyt like that? Nothing. Because they don’t want “******s” at their schools either.

Ohio Mom Jailed for Sending Kids to Better School District

Actually most Dems locally and federally are against school choice for this very reason. It’s the GOP that are constantly campaigning for that shyt.

3. Not all black people are criminals. Saying “criminal justice reform” assumes blackness in itself is criminal. Has any Dem addresses the problem with the 13th amendment?

Of course not all black people are criminals but we are way more greatly affected by criminal justice issues in this country. I’m not sure how you make the leap to “blackness is criminal. I trust that you are not that simple minded.

4. nikka please. You mean bullshyt programs for “minorities”? We have our own set of problems that are left unaddressed specifically.

Free lunch for poor kids, chip, Medicaid, Medicare are things that help out mos under privileged. What other programs do you have in mind that can help us?

 

[Booker T Garvey]

^^^ there was a brother on HERE that hipped me to the blatant discrimination and racism in the temp agency industry, this was before it hit mainstream news:

No 'ghetto people': How temp agencies allegedly hire based on race and gender

The Astonishing Discriminatory Tactics of Companies Hiring Temp Workers: Black Applicants Losing Out Big Time

Democrats won’t even addressed this!! you bring this to them and they’ll tell you Trump and immigration are higher priorities

 

[dj-method-x]

^^^ there was a brother on HERE that hipped me to the blatant discrimination and racism in the temp agency industry, this was before it hit mainstream news:

No 'ghetto people': How temp agencies allegedly hire based on race and gender

The Astonishing Discriminatory Tactics of Companies Hiring Temp Workers: Black Applicants Losing Out Big Time

Democrats won’t even addressed this!! you bring this to them and they’ll tell you Trump and immigration are higher priorities

What these temp agencies are doing is already illegal. The Dems are the ones who actively defend these laws. Do you suggest further laws are written to make racial discrimination when it comes to hiring even more illegal or something? What exactly do you want Dems to do here?

 

[Mordith]

I'm not taking the opinions of the anti-intellectual crowd on here seriously....

 

[Hey_zeus]

Benign neglect. We can't even get an @

 

[???]

I'm not taking the opinions of the anti-intellectual crowd on here seriously....

dude shut the fukk up, post solutions or get lost, no more time for stupid games anymore you time wasting dumb ass clown.

 

[Easy-E]

What sane politician would enact a policy for only a specific group of people when that policy could benefit more people who are facing the same issue?

Democrat entire stance on immigration does just that.

But, you won't believe that because the media keeps showing you kids in cages and being tear gassed. Horrible images, but, detract from the issues with flooding this country with unskilled labor.

You probably don't even know the USA is the only first world country with the type of immigration policy they have. You don't have a stable country doing that.

As for your 1-4 points; no, I can go to the Republicans for trickled down policy. You are basically saying besides "Criminal Justice Reform" (Which is bull because they are never specific as to the actual problem with criminal justice system [hint it doesn't Target women and "people of color" just bqlck men]) we don't have any specific questions that uniquely effect us.

You are too uniformed "to bite" on the OP if you believe that.

I won't even ask you to be specific on this trickle down policies thatst supposed to help us...

 

[Brolic Scholar]

The problems of racist doctors and universal healthcare are two separate issues. What can be done politically to help with the former? You can fight for universal health care and be against racism practiced by invidual in health care so I’m not sure where you are coming from here.

This is the problem. I’m talking about specifics for black people, not general policies that help all poor people. That’s great and all, but what are these black politicians doing to address BLACK problems? Yes, universal healthcare can help black people, it also helps whites, Asians, etc. Beyond that, where’s the help with issues in medicine that don’t effect these other groups? That’s where black politicians lose me. You’re talking to me like I’m 5 my dude.

Actually most Dems locally and federally are against school choice for this very reason. It’s the GOP that are constantly campaigning for that shyt.

So you’re telling me that rich Dems send their kids to public schools? Seriously bruh? They say one thing and do another.

How Many Politicians Send their Kids to Public Schools? | PublicSchoolReview.com

Yes that article was published by a conservative group, but are they lying?

Of course not all black people are criminals but we are way more greatly affected by criminal justice issues in this country. I’m not sure how you make the leap to “blackness is criminal. I trust that you are not that simple minded.

13th amendment. Blackness is indeed criminal in this country. It’s an unsaid rule. Assimilation decriminalizes your blackness. For those that don’t assimilate there are a number of ways they come after us. Do you really think black people could be treated the way we are, shot and killed by police when unarmed, etc., if blackness wasn’t criminal?

My point with the statement you quoted is the term “criminal justice reform” is a code for black people problems. Let’s be honest. How many laws are on the books just to target and arrest, thus enslaving, black people? Are those same laws used to disproportionately target whites? Asians? Latinos? No. So who do you think they mean when they say those code words?

Free lunch for poor kids, chip, Medicaid, Medicare are things that help out mos under privileged. What other programs do you have in mind that can help us?

All of those programs help poor people. Poverty isn’t exclusive to black people, but there are issues exclusive to black people in addition to poverty. If there can be programs that problems in specific ethnic groups like Native Americans, Japanese, Jews, etc. why do we only get lumped in with “minorities” when it’s time for our programs?

 

[dj-method-x]

Democrat entire stance on immigration does just that.

What about their immigration policy can be applied to other people?

As for your 1-4 points; no, I can go to the Republicans for trickled down policy.

What republican policies address issues that affect black people?

You are basically saying besides "Criminal Justice Reform" (Which is bull because they are never specific as to the actual problem with criminal justice system [hint it doesn't Target women and "people of color" just bqlck men]) we don't have any specific questions that uniquely effect us.

I’m honestly not sure what you’re trying to say here. Can you expound?

I won't even ask you to be specific on this trickle down policies thatst supposed to help us...

Strengthening public schools, programs for the underprivileged, universal health care, criminal juistic reform that includes sentencing reforms that disproportionately affect us, closing prison prisons, legalization of marijuana, etc and won’t help us?

 

[Easy-E]

What ideas do you have that should be done specifically for black people and no one else that would make sense for a politician strategically and morally? Why haven’t you called your local congressman to lobby for these issues? Which side do you think would actually listen to these ideas?

Buh buh but what about immigrants and lbgtq they’re doing things specifically for them!!!@@&!!

I got to address this separate.

Again, the age old "it's your fault" black ppl been getting ages.

Also, it's the fault of black politics that you don't know ways to fix black people issues.

That's what happens when you only acknowledge black voters during elections.

Your not paying attention if you think black people are sitting on their asses poiltically.

That's a piss poor excuse for Democrats. That's not how politics work. These ppl don't show a willingness to address black issues but demand our votes. Politics is a two way street. We see it literally with everyone else but us. black women have to be feminist to get any attention and no one still talks about the third world country rates of STDs they have or the infant mortality.

I'm not saying black ppl should go Republican, but, these muhfukkkas got to go if they don't acknowledge us.

 

[dj-method-x]

This is the problem. I’m talking about specifics for black people, not general policies that help all poor people. That’s great and all, but what are these black politicians doing to address BLACK problems? Yes, universal healthcare can help black people, it also helps whites, Asians, etc. Beyond that, where’s the help with issues in medicine that don’t effect these other groups? That’s where black politicians lose me. You’re talking to me like I’m 5 my dude.

This Tariq Nasheed talking point is old, ignorant and has already been addressed multiple times in this thread. Complaining about policies that help black people only because they also help other under privileged people is mindblowingly idiotic and short sighted. What are the issues that affect us that don’t affect other groups? What should be done politically to alleviate these issues? You’re right, racist doctors are a problem. What can be done to alleviate this? You’re basically asking Dems to legislate the end of racism as we know it as if a law could end racism. If you have an ground breaking idea in mind that could do this I’d be glad to hear it.

So you’re telling me that rich Dems send their kids to public schools? Seriously bruh? They say one thing and do another.

How Many Politicians Send their Kids to Public Schools? | PublicSchoolReview.com

Yes that article was published by a conservative group, but are they lying?

I don’t see how Dems sending their kids to private schools says anything about their fight to inmprove public schools. One has absolutely nothing to do with the other.

13th amendment. Blackness is indeed criminal in this country. It’s an unsaid rule. Assimilation decriminalizes your blackness. For those that don’t assimilate there are a number of ways they come after us. Do you really think black people could be treated the way we are, shot and killed by police when unarmed, etc., if blackness wasn’t criminal?

My point with the statement you quoted is the term “criminal justice reform” is a code for black people problems. Let’s be honest. How many laws are on the books just to target and arrest, thus enslaving, black people? Are those same laws used to disproportionately target whites? Asians? Latinos? No. So who do you think they mean when they say those code words?

Dog you’re kind of all over the place with this. Not even going to try to decipher this non sense.

All of those programs help poor people. Poverty isn’t exclusive to black people, but there are issues exclusive to black people in addition to poverty. If there can be programs that problems in specific ethnic groups like Native Americans, Japanese, Jews, etc. why do we only get lumped in with “minorities” when it’s time for our programs?

Poverty isn’t exclusive to black people but we are disproportionately poorer than others. Again I ask...what problems do we have that others don’t that can be addressed by policies only applied to us? I’m honestly interested in what you think those problems are, the solutions, and the political strategy to get these solutions enacted into law.

 

[dj-method-x]

I gots time today

 

[Easy-E]

What about their immigration policy can be applied to other people?



What republican policies address issues that affect black people?



I’m honestly not sure what you’re trying to say here. Can you expound?



Strengthening public schools, programs for the underprivileged, universal health care, criminal juistic reform that includes sentencing reforms that disproportionately affect us, closing prison prisons, legalization of marijuana, etc and won’t help us?

Public's schools aren't being strengthen, segregation is back on the rise in schools.

Universal health and sentencing reforms are more buzz words.

Weed laws changing doesn't change 40 years on the War on Drygs. It's become another avenue for capital to exploit a market.

STOP talking about black Americans as if we are stable in this country.

Americans aren't dealing with 55 year low homeownership, we are. Talk about it!

Americans are dealing with 40% unemployment in 35 major cities. We are!

What are doing? Half ass measures don't fix extraordinary disfunction.

Again, your saying they don't have to speciy black people on anything, but, at the same time it's gonna be alright because these will all reach us.

That's never been the case that rising tides raise all ships.

Go look up the Great Depression and the New Deal. We were fighting another 60 years after legislation that was supposed to help us all without specifiying us.