Whats stopping the Celtics from trading for DeMarcus Cousins?

[Frump]

Fair enough, but another playoff lost may put the pressure on him to make a move, especially since a few of their key players are slated to get raises come 2018. I'll agree with you guys that Ainge has been hesitant to pull the trigger, but let's wait to this summer to kill him, because there's nothing the Celtics can do this year to win the title.

If he doesn't make a move this summer, then it's clear Danny overvalues his assets and think he'll just get a star by lowballing a team to death.

It's possible he just wants to keep the picks

 

[NatiboyB]

Danny Ainge has the assets he's waiting for a big fish to become available however he is a notorious low baller. I think his plan is to wait for a rape deal and if that doesn't happen he will just utilize the draft picks and end up having to cut or jettison even more of the mediocre talent he's acquired.

 

[FTBS]

Youre really comparing todays kings to the 2000 blazers?

I clearly pointed out how the situations aren't comparable. It seemed to me like you were making that comparison.

 

[Ed MOTHERFUCKING G]

I clearly pointed out how the situations aren't comparable. It seemed to me like you were making that comparison.

Neither were winning situations. Sheed wasnt happy, players were getting arrested left and right, temper twntrums from like eight players and they would never beat their main foes....

Then he goes to detroit, much better situation and becomes an all star and champion.

Boogies situation is worse in sacto and he is possibly as talented as sheed...basically, how it worked with rasheed should be even more dramatic for cousins.

 

[Frump]

Neither were winning situations. Sheed wasnt happy, players were getting arrested left and right, temper twntrums from like eight players and they would never beat their main foes....

Then he goes to detroit, much better situation and becomes an all star and champion.

Boogies situation is worse in sacto and he is possibly as talented as sheed...basically, how it worked with rasheed should be even more dramatic for cousins.

I don't think it's crazy to say Boogie can win if he goes to goes right team or situation

I think it's impossible for Boogie to win and contend if he's the best player on a team

 

[Miggs]

See that you can't convince the team of that yet. Like I said, they're actually not that far off from 8th seed, so at the very least they'll go for it now.

How can you convince fans that a clutter of picks will lead to a brighter future when they haven't shown much ability at all to draft well? Any deal now, teams want something tangible back. Fans wanna know what's behind doors #1, 2 and 3 before you give it to them. The bottom is gonna fall out anyway, but if by some chance you crack the 8th seed before then, starting over won't hurt as much. Trading the only reason to attend even a new arena is like sabotaging the little bit of hope you had in exchange for hastening the chance to see a LONG rebuild take place. Everyone looks at the Nets as fukked but at least the hardcore fan still gets to see Brook Lopez who has been there forever and Jeremy Lin. Once DMC, Gay and WCS go, what do you have to sell to people? Bum ass Jaylen Brown should they go that route? A Brooklyn pick you can't control? Hell if the Kings finish worse than the Nets, clearly they won't swap.


I'll ask you this: if letting Cousins walk for nothing led to brand new management in the front office, would you choose that over trading Cousins for some more losers and a bunch of meaningless picks with the current management being in charge of fixing it?

If current management believes they are tied to Cousins then obviously they arent going to move him...

 

[FreedS[ohh]lave]

Most NBA gm's are pussies who are scared to death of losing a trade

 

[K-ZOE]

That's fair, but Boogie is inefficient and not good defensively. You're not a franchise player(best player on a title team) if you're a center who's inefficient and below average defensively. Cousins is a All-Star player, just not a franchise player, and there's nothing wrong with not being a franchise player.

Thats not what a franchise player is. Your team doesn't have to be a title team to be a franchise player. A franchise player is so good that you build around that player and any team said player goes to, will build around him. Anthony Davis is a franchise player. Porzingis is a franchise player. And their teams are nowhere near title teams. That said, I think you can build around Boogie. Obviously in that building you'd have to pair him with a rim protector

 

[FTBS]

Neither were winning situations. Sheed wasnt happy, players were getting arrested left and right, temper twntrums from like eight players and they would never beat their main foes....

Then he goes to detroit, much better situation and becomes an all star and champion.

Boogies situation is worse in sacto and he is possibly as talented as sheed...basically, how it worked with rasheed should be even more dramatic for cousins.

You listed a bunch of stuff that didn't stop them from winning. They were still winning 50 games every year and making the playoffs and had been to a couple WCFs. Meanwhile the Kings go 27-55 every year. They aren't comparable in the least. The current Kings would kill for turn of the century Blazers type of run and trading Boogie wouldn't even be an option.

The Pistons got Sheed without touching their core. You ain't getting Boogie for what they gave up for Sheed back then. Boogie is a catch 22 in that you certainly want his talent but in order to get him you would likely have to sacrifice so much that you wouldn't have much left to put around him once you got him.

 

[Versa]

Demarcus Cousins is a top 2 big and a top 10 player in the NBA. You mean to tell me having that on your team in a weak Eastern conference doesn't put you over the top?

Depends on what is being given up.

A roster of IT2/Crowder/Horford/Cousins not being a threat to make it out of the east? I don't buy it.

 

[Basaglia]

An encouraging psych eval?

 

[SadimirPutin]

Where is this idea of cousins being a 2-way player coming from

Whats more the idea of pairing Cousins and Horford sounds like a clusterfukk!!

And the idea that adding him to the Celtics suddenly makes them a contender is laughable..

 

[Miggs]

There is only ONE team in the East who becomes a contender with Cousins and its not the Celtics.

 

[Malta]

There is only ONE team in the East who becomes a contender with Cousins and its not the Celtics.

Milwaukee Bucks?

 

[Kang Deezy]

Pull your skirt down. I haven't been a Jaylen Brown fan since high school and nothing has changed my mind on that.Where were you when I had these arguments with @Wacky D? Where were you when I said Denver needed to go after Cousins more than anybody (which by the way, is NOT a slight to Boston?) Don't get all hurt now just because he's a Celtic.


and where in the hell did I EVER argue with you about whether WCS was better than Turner? I thought he'd get picked ahead of him (and he did) but that doesn't mean I thought he was better.

Brown, according to the scout, has quietly been one of the best of the 2016 draft class. His numbers have been modest — 5.5 points, 2.0 rebounds — but he has been an effective defensive presence on Boston’s second unit and seized a role with the team well ahead of schedule.

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Scout’s take: "I don’t think they were figuring on him being ready this early. He makes a lot of mistakes defensively, but he gives effort and he can make up for it with his length. He has a long way to go, and his ceiling is going to be pretty high.

"But he has already shown he can be a 3-and-D guy, his perimeter shooting has been very good and I am impressed with how good he is from the corners. If you start with that skill set and you see his athleticism — he is a great dunker, he just needs more confidence — he could wind up being one of the best players in this draft."