What's up with smarky crowds / internet fans shytting on the Cruiserweights

[AquaCityBoy]

Because nobody wants to watch these vanilla midgets.

 

[Playaz Eyez]

I can't believe people are acting like the CWs back in WCW didn't have any personality and were solely work-rate dudes that we're seeing now

 

[Jmare007]

I honestly haven't seen RAW last the few weeks so I've missed the backlash to the cruiserweights, so this is a honest question. Does the fact that nowadays most of the roster does stuff that was associated with CWs in the past has dimished their impact? Like, they are not much of a novelty because they don't do shyt you haven't seen before, in fact, they do similar stuff than every other dude. Or is it just the fact that they have no characters so it's hard to give a fukk about them?

 

[Ill Lou Malnati]

Everyone was into that six-way #1 contender match from last month. Kendrick and Perkins matches, while solid, aren't going to set the world on fire.

 

[Kill Dat Noize]

Oh ok, post some entertaining promos of them showing their personality...

had nothing to do with promos.

when juvie's theme hit you knew shyt was lit. it wasn't 'generic metal song #38'. his theme spoke to who he was.

plus when he made his way down the asile you could see his energy. and he wasn't completely drowned out in digital screens and bright colors.

and you actually got to see him win matches. they got his finisher over. we actually MARKED for the 450 splash.

 

[BrehWyatt]

Dudes all look the same and the matches are boring in comparison to the older era of Cruiserweights (Rey, Juvy, Malenko, Eddie, Pyschosis, Kidman, Ultimo). They had more character, were more colorful, and did more high risk shyt. Plus they had the benefit of that style being new here in the states.

When the Cruiserweights champs finisher is a leg bar. You have a problem.

The matches have not really been as good as they were in the CWC, and they have some boring characters who look generic like Gulak. I'm familiar with his work, but that type of shyt is not getting a TV crowd excited.

In regards to the bolded: No. That's not a problem. Was it a problem in WCW when the Cruiserweight Champion's finish was the Texas Cloverleaf despite the fact that Dean Malenko beat more people with more different moves and shyt than anyone else in his day? Not everyone can be the high-flying/flashy person. You need different styles and characters for the division to get over and actually become intriguing. The reason why Kendrick's character is so fleshed out is because of the work that not only Brian did, but what Mauro/Bryan did to sell the man's desperation as it truly being his "last chance." That has carried over.

Honestly though, TJP's character/style screams cocky/showman heel IMO. No man who calls himself a "Wrestling Yoda" ought to be a soft-spoken, humble face. Yeah, his tough upbringing helps but if anything, it should serve to fuel his self-perceived level of greatness.

If anything, the problem was that the CWC showed what COULD happen if these guys were given real, honest to God time to do their thing and tell a story. You mean to tell me that on a three-hour show, you can't find 20-30 or even 45 minutes for the Cruiserweights to have great matches/segments (like the one between TJP/TBK last night) and all that and to flesh out feuds, stories and so on? Throwing people in random tag matches isn't going to make me care when it's clear that when left to do their own thing, they can truly be something (such as that multi-man match they had a few weeks back).

How many 15, 20 minute promos have started Raw before? That right there is enough time for two fast-paced good matches or one EXCEPTIONAL match. Raw just ain't maximizing its time yet.

The rest, I can kind of see the argument.

 

[Silkk]

I honestly haven't seen RAW last the few weeks so I've missed the backlash to the cruiserweights, so this is a honest question. Does the fact that nowadays most of the roster does stuff that was associated with CWs in the past has dimished their impact? Like, they are not much of a novelty because they don't do shyt you haven't seen before, in fact, they do similar stuff than every other dude. Or is it just the fact that they have no characters so it's hard to give a fukk about them?

Both, but much more of the first part. They're not nearly as impressive as a Ricochet or Will Ospreay. Not nearly as impressive as the X division circa 04-08. I haven't seen anything to make me jump and yell out DAMN like when i first saw the canadian destroyer for instance

 

[Playaz Eyez]

Will Oceanspray stinks

 

[Playaz Eyez]

had nothing to do with promos.

when juvie's theme hit you knew shyt was lit. it wasn't 'generic metal song #38'. his theme spoke to who he was.

plus when he made his way down the asile you could see his energy. and he wasn't completely drowned out in digital screens and bright colors.

and you actually got to see him win matches. they got his finisher over. we actually MARKED for the 450 splash.

This is exactly what I was alluding to. Having a personality doesn't just 100% mean cutting promos. It's just standing out in general. Rey, Juvy, La Parka, Eddie, Ultimo, Dean, Kidman, and Psicosis all had that, even before guys were unmasked.

 

[Osmosis]

Nothing unique about them

 

[Kill Dat Noize]

This is exactly what I was alluding to. Having a personality doesn't just 100% mean cutting promos. It's just standing out in general. Rey, Juvy, La Parka, Eddie, Ultimo, Dean, Kidman, and Psicosis all had that, even before guys were unmasked.

exactly. for every one of those guys i can hum their theme and tell you their finisher.

 

[InstantKlassik]

They suck and are boring. Plain and simple. shyt is bathroom break status already. They were doomed from the get go just by the way they were initially presented on Raw. The announcers don't even take them serious so why should we ?

 

[Lost His Smile]

I dont expect a WWE crowd to care about the cruiserweights.

 

[Tide Run This]

Crowds are worst thing about a lot of the shows these days

 

[45123]

Dudes all look the same and the matches are boring in comparison to the older era of Cruiserweights (Rey, Juvy, Malenko, Eddie, Pyschosis, Kidman, Ultimo). They had more character, were more colorful, and did more high risk shyt. Plus they had the benefit of that style being new here in the states.

When the Cruiserweights champs finisher is a leg bar. You have a problem.

The matches have not really been as good as they were in the CWC, and they have some boring characters who look generic like Gulak. I'm familiar with his work, but that type of shyt is not getting a TV crowd excited.

WWE didnt give guys a chance to build and develop characters (You have 3 fukking hours), so they HAVE to let them unleash in ring and do it that way. WCW let their cruisers do what they wanted in the first hour of nitro

The only CW with an actual character so far is Brian Kendrick, which is why I want him with the title. The problem with the CW division (honestly the WWE as a whole) is that they didn't take the time to actually develop characters. They just showed a couple vignettes then tossed them out there for weekly random matches. Also, it's the WWE's own fault for having these types of crowds. They wanted to appeal to soccer moms and 7 year olds way back instead of appealing to a wide age range and diverse group, and this is what they're left with, a very safe, tame crowd that reacts to certain things because they feel like they're supposed to instead of because they want to.

And as far as WCW CWs, people knew exactly who Rey, Juvy, La Parka, Malenko, Ultimo Dragon, and Psichosis were, and even Elix Skipper, The Artist, and Kid Romeo later on

My point though is that I get why crowds might be dead but I don't get why crowds, even the smarks who should fawn over this, are shytting on them and chanting their irrelevant chants during their matches. Guys like Nese and Gulak are generic but the appeal is that they're excitingly good in the ring. I understand if the soccer moms and teletubby kids don't care for that but the beards who clamor over NXT and "real wrestling"? Like wtf? And let's not act like TJP, Brian Kendrick, and Rich Swann don't have some pretty discernible characters

Nothing unique about them

You must not pay attention to their matches or watched the CWC if you honestly believe this.

They suck and are boring. Plain and simple. shyt is bathroom break status already. They were doomed from the get go just by the way they were initially presented on Raw. The announcers don't even take them serious so why should we ?

How??? Are you really fukking telling me guys like Cedric Alexander, Rich Swann, Drew Gulak, and Tony Nese are boring in the ring and don't put on good matches? Gtfoh. Again, this what happens when you give marks who don't appreciate the realness the internet and a voice. Like of all the things in the WWE to complain about and do your chants for, you pick the cruiserweight matches which are among the few truly unique things in WWE nowadays