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Eastside Get The Money said:
Christianity be moving the goal posts, bases, and the whole basketball rim :pachaha:

Actually, it's the critics who are guilty of that because they read the texts totally out-of-context.

1st Century Jews would have no problem with the things these cats, today, struggle with.​
 

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You know why jackazz: Because that fraudulent ass religions causes all types of issues in our reality. So of course we'll comment on humans believing stupid shyt. Most of the wars we fight are because of you idiots believing in prophecies professed in that damn propaganda book which y'all read wrong anyway.

You damn dummies believe that God became incarnate and called himself Jesus. think about that shyt. God became a human just so he could be a rabbi for one ethnic group of people and die. FUX YOU.

Somebodies manipulated the poetic language of the bible to trick you simpletons into believing that Jesus was literally gods child. And they did so using dreams of Joseph and the old manipulative tricks of dream interpretation while using prophecies inserted into the old testament as well.

The whole Son of God, Seed of Heaven idea is based upon the emperor, king, ruler being anointed by the priesthood and functioning as the emissary of the divine thru his rule. Not literally being the child of the God in Heaven.

In ancient China one of the emperors titles is Tian-Tzu (heavenly seed), another chinese expression related to the emperor and his ruling relationship with "God" is ShangDi, the writing of which means literally "Above Emperor" and was a way of expressing the Higher Ruler who granted divine rulership to the emperor.
Typical atheist. A balanced mix of ignorance, lies, and malice :mjlol:
 

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One set of folks think Jesus is the son of God
One set of folks think Jesus IS Gof
One set of folks thinks Jesus never even existed and there is only God

Bruh religious folks can't even get their shyt straight :mjlol:
All Christians (mainstream) share the same belief:
Jesus is the Son of God; essentially a human manifestation of God.

Muslims and Jews believe he was Isa/Joshua, a Prophet. This is part of the Abrahamic religious divide.
 

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I never thought about it, but this does kinda pose a good question. Where did Jesus go when he died? Heaven? Then he came back down to go back up again?

Traditional Christian understanding is that his spirit went down to sheol to free the captives. Third day his spirit was joined back to his physical body and was resurrected.
Bible says that Jesus wasn’t the only person resurrected. But that many holy people were resurrected with him. Those people could have possibly been the people he freed from Sheol. Christ appeared on the Earth for another 40 Days before he finally ascended to heaven. Some teachings say that Christ had to be the first human to pass through the heavens so the freed captives of Sheol walked the Earth with him because they could not ascend to heaven before him. When he finally ascended, he took them with him. I think it was another 40 Days after, Pentecost, when the Holy Spirit was sent to be Gods presence in the world.

Sheol was the place that all humans went that lived good lives before Christ. When he died, he went down to minister to and free them. Sheol has since been emptied. Sheol is also known as Abraham’s Bosom.

Not saying I subscribe to this but this is what I understand the Christian faith to say after he died.
 

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ciroq drobama said:
I never thought about it, but this does kinda pose a good question. Where did Jesus go when he died? Heaven? Then he came back down to go back up again?

Jesus, the human being, went to 'Heaven'. Jesus, the 'Logos', returned to the side of the 'Father' where 'he' had existed, eternally.​
 

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One of the things I was really into as a child was Egyptology. I can’t remember how I fell into the subject but it became something more than just a passing familiarity. It became to the point where a relative got me a hieroglyphics book and I studied to the point that I was able to start translating heiroglyphics texts (I was a real nerd, not like these gaming and comic book reading wannabes).

I say all this to say, as someone who knows a bit more than the average person about Egyptian mythology, I can tell you that there were some aspects of the mythology that had a “touch” of similarity to Judeo-Christian ideas, such as the concept of life - death - life after death, and some similarities with the New Kingdom cult of the god Aton (compared with the Jewish “Adonai”) but that’s where it stops.

There were no similarities between Jesus and Horus.

Looking at the graphs that you posted I can go down one by one and point out the falsehood in most of the claims.

1) “Isis with Sun-God Horus” - Horus wasn’t the Sun God. Ra was the Sun God. Egyptian mythology had this weird thing where gods would merge. So Ra-Horakhty became this synergized version of the two. However, as a stand-alone god, Horus was not associated with the sun.

2) Horus was not born of a Virgin. Isis, his mother, was a Goddess. And he was born out of necrophilia. Osiris was killed and his body chopped up into pieces. Isis recovered the pieces of his body back together with the exception of his penis which was eaten by a fish. She made a replacement erect penis, then had sex with the body, and gave birth to Horus by the Nile in a marsh. He was not born in a manger.

3) Egyptian mythology didn’t go into details about the individual lives of each of their Gods. I can tell you with 99% certainty that none of the points under Horus happened. Birthday isn’t on the 25th, he’s not associated with a star, there is no text supporting any claims of his life as child, he never baptized anyone, all the way down the line, none of that happened.

For the most part, Egyptian gods did not die, with two exceptions. Ra, the Sun, who is born every morning and dies every evening. And Osiris, the god of the dead. Those are the only two Gods that die and needed to die because the Egyptians needed to explain away 1) the regenerative power of the sun and by extent creation and 2) human life and death and its eventual resurrection. If humans died and went to the underworld, they needed a god to lord over them in the underworld, which is why Osiris had to die.

Horus never dies, was never crucified. The Egyptian pharaohs were believed to be the sons of Horus. When Horus went away to merge with Ra, the pharaohs were left in his place to rule the Earth. Which is why pharaohs were referred to as the living Gods.

No correlation to the Jesus story whatsoever even though numerous people online have tried to draw up false similarities.

It is all mythology. The problem is that people try to take it literally.

In point one you mentioned this weird thing about Egyptian Gods merging, but that is Judaism right there because Jesus said that he and the Father were one. Then you have people in this thread trying to describe the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit and they lobbing a bunch of confusion about the Trinity and all of manner of stuff in there.

The fact of the business is that it is mythology. The purpose is to bring followers to understand that there is a superior being to us all. Whether we call that being the Sun God or the Son of God or God; the point being that we had a creator. That is all there is to it from where I sit; and the philosophy that we later follow to worship that God is based more on societal norms, customs and mores than on anything else.
 

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All Christians (mainstream) share the same belief:
Jesus is the Son of God; essentially a human manifestation of God.

Muslims and Jews believe he was Isa/Joshua, a Prophet. This is part of the Abrahamic religious divide.

The Jews/Muslims don't believe that Christ was the messiah and that you had to go through Him for absolution from the Father.

Christian beliefs vary on the Trinity, alot don't believe in the Trinity. I favor the Arian doctrine that was most popular before the Council of Nicea decided to declare it blasphemy in favor of Catholicism.

Arianism is a nontrinitarian[1] Christological doctrine[1][2][3] which asserts the belief that Jesus Christ is the Son of God who was begotten by God the Father at a point in time,[1] a creature distinct from the Father and is therefore subordinate to him, but the Son is also God (i.e. God the Son).[1][4] Arian teachings were first attributed to Arius[1][3] (c.AD 256–336), a Christian presbyter in Alexandria of Egypt. The term "Arian" is derived from the name Arius; and like "Christian", it was not a self-chosen designation but bestowed by hostile opponents—and never accepted by those on whom it had been imposed.
Arians taught that the Logos was a divine being begotten by God the Father before the creation of the world, made him a medium through whom everything else was created, and that the Son of God is subordinate to God the Father.[16] A verse from Proverbs was also used: "The Lord created me at the beginning of his work" (Proverbs 8:22–25).[17]Therefore, the Son was rather the very first and the most perfect of God's creatures, and he was made "God" only by the Father's permission and power.[18][19]

Controversy over Arianism arose in the late 3rd century and persisted throughout most of the 4th century. It involved most church members—from simple believers, priests, and monks to bishops, emperors, and members of Rome's imperial family. Two Roman emperors, Constantius II and Valens, became Arians or Semi-Arians, as did prominent Gothic, Vandal, and Lombard warlords both before and after the fall of the Western Roman Empire. Such a deep controversy within the Church during this period of its development could not have materialized without significant historical influences providing a basis for the Arian doctrines.[20]
 

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It is all mythology. The problem is that people try to take it literally.

In point one you mentioned this weird thing about Egyptian Gods merging, but that is Judaism right there because Jesus said that he and the Father were one. Then you have people in this thread trying to describe the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit and they lobbing a bunch of confusion about the Trinity and all of manner of stuff in there.

The fact of the business is that it is mythology. The purpose is to bring followers to understand that there is a superior being to us all. Whether we call that being the Sun God or the Son of God or God; the point being that we had a creator. That is all there is to it from where I sit; and the philosophy that we later follow to worship that God is based more on societal norms, customs and mores than on anything else.

I agree. I think all societies are simply trying to tell the story of their encounters with the creator however they experienced him.
 

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This is starting to feel like debating with flat earthers who say, "okay then, if the Earth is round why don't we fall off the bottom?!?"

I linked a nuanced, educated explanation of the trinity and its place in Jewish context over three pages ago. Exactly zero haters have interacted with it. Ya'all rather remain ignorant and feel smart with dumb burns than educate yourselves on the topic.
 

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Yes it is.

Here is what Akhenaten wrote and it looks like the Psalm 104 is plagiarized.

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It is extremely strange that people don't see the parallels between Judaism and the religion of Kemet. Even the story of Moses is borrowed from the Egyptians. Even Freud could see that Judaism was from the religion of the Egyptians and that Akenathan was likely the Pharaoh that kicked Moses out.

Did Moses borrow God from Egyptians? - Stephen M. Miller
Whoever the Moses character represents when "he" is writing the 5 books you can see that he is borrowing from previous writings\scripture and also grafting Persian ideas into the writings. The very evidence for this is in Genesis first 3 books. Moses took the Egyptian cosmogony, then in the second chapter he injects persian ideas of: the first man, man naming the animals, and women being created after man. He also introduces the idea of the serpent (ashmogh).

Moses is also writing to provide military reconnaissance for an invasion. This is why he mentions the rivers that flow in certain lands, and the resources and minerals that are to be found there.

Look into Moses the Persian. And how his chief reform was the introduction of the everburning fire, and priest to tend to the fire. In their scripture they even refer to their god as an Everlasting flame. And they refer to their Aramaic lettering system as the Fire Letters. The very first letter of which is ALEPH which is an allusion to both the flame and the bull\calf. Now, go check out Mazdaism-Zoroastrianism Perso-Irani traditions and their bulls, fire temples, priests and everlasting flames.

Diving further into Persi\Farsi-Irani traditions you will also discover the reliance on dreams and dream interpretations.

In Moses narrative, Jospeh rises to power thru his abilities to interpret dreams. Joseph runs a scheme in Egypt that allows for him (and his administration which consist of his brethren) to take over control of the food supply an land of Egypt and reduce the people of Egypt to debt slavery. A champion arose who recognized the scheme and suppressed the power of Joseph and his administration, and removed them from power.

All that is important because history the Bible reveals a few things to US. The most important being that Moses was learned in all the wisdom of the Egyptians. I say that due to the Persian connections found Imhotep is either the Biblical Joseph or Moses. For Imhotep was learned in all the wisdom of the Egyptians, and had a dream temple. And when the Persian invasion of Egypt happened Imhotep was elevated to a DIETY.
 

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Whoever the Moses character represents when "he" is writing the 5 books you can see that he is borrowing from previous writings\scripture and also grafting Persian ideas into the writings. The very evidence for this is in Genesis first 3 books. Moses took the Egyptian cosmogony, then in the second chapter he injects persian ideas of: the first man, man naming the animals, and women being created after man. He also introduces the idea of the serpent (ashmogh).

Moses is also writing to provide military reconnaissance for an invasion. This is why he mentions the rivers that flow in certain lands, and the resources and minerals that are to be found there.

Look into Moses the Persian. And how his chief reform was the introduction of the everburning fire, and priest to tend to the fire. In their scripture they even refer to their god as an Everlasting flame. And they refer to their Aramaic lettering system as the Fire Letters. The very first letter of which is ALEPH which is an allusion to both the flame and the bull\calf. Now, go check out Mazdaism-Zoroastrianism Perso-Irani traditions and their bulls, fire temples, priests and everlasting flames.

Diving further into Persi\Farsi-Irani traditions you will also discover the reliance on dreams and dream interpretations.

In Moses narrative, Jospeh rises to power thru his abilities to interpret dreams. Joseph runs a scheme in Egypt that allows for him (and his administration which consist of his brethren) to take over control of the food supply an land of Egypt and reduce the people of Egypt to debt slavery. A champion arose who recognized the scheme and suppressed the power of Joseph and his administration, and removed them from power.

All that is important because history the Bible reveals a few things to US. The most important being that Moses was learned in all the wisdom of the Egyptians. I say that due to the Persian connections found Imhotep is either the Biblical Joseph or Moses. For Imhotep was learned in all the wisdom of the Egyptians, and had a dream temple. And when the Persian invasion of Egypt happened Imhotep was elevated to a DIETY.

I don't doubt any of it, but at the end of the day it is all mythology. What a lot of these Holy rollers don't even consider when reviewing historical mythology is that almost all societies record a great flood. So it was not just limited to the Bible.

I am of the belief that all religion is mythology. I don't have a problem with any of it and in fact there are a lot of historical events recorded in many of the writings, however what I think that I have learned is that there is a difference between religion and spiritualism. God is a Spirit. That is my take away from all religion.
 

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Jesus is God’s son. Jesus is not God.

See this is why people are confused by the Bible, because according to Jesus we are all Gods. He cited Psalms 82:6

Psalm 82
A psalm of Asaph.
1 God presides in the great assembly;
he renders judgment among the “gods”:

2 “How long will you[a] defend the unjust
and show partiality to the wicked?[b]
3 Defend the weak and the fatherless;
uphold the cause of the poor and the oppressed.
4 Rescue the weak and the needy;
deliver them from the hand of the wicked.

5 “The ‘gods’ know nothing, they understand nothing.
They walk about in darkness;
all the foundations of the earth are shaken.

6 “I said, ‘You are “gods”;
you are all sons of the Most High.’
7 But you will die like mere mortals;
you will fall like every other ruler.”

8 Rise up, O God, judge the earth,
for all the nations are your inheritance.
 
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