Where does God telling Abraham to kill his son rank as most fukked up things in the Bible

[Budda]

the lack of commentary about the sons of Japheth is telling

Noah cursed Canaan indeed (the progenitors of Rome)...not saying I agree with the Nation of Islam but where there is smoke there is fire

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West Asiatic prisoners of Ramses II at Abu Simbel

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Ive always found it intriguing that the state of Judah was in league with Egypt by archaelogic record but is not mentioned in detail in the Neviim and Ketuvim

How is Canaan the progenitors of time? Where do you get your historical information

 

[shadowking]

And Er, Judah's firstborn, was wicked in the sight of the LORD; and the LORD slew him. And Judah said unto Onan, Go in unto thy brother's wife... And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass, when he went in unto his brother's wife, that he spilled it on the ground... And the thing which he did displeased the LORD: wherefore he slew him also. Genesis 38:7-10


7 But Er, Judah’s firstborn, was wicked in the Lord’s sight;so the Lord put him to death.

8 Then Judah said to Onan, “Sleep with your brother’s wife and fulfill your duty to her as a brother-in-law to raise up offspring for your brother.” 9 But Onan knew that the child would not be his; so whenever he slept with his brother’s wife, he spilled his semen on the ground to keep from providing offspring for his brother. 10 What he did was wicked in the Lord’s sight; so the Lord put him to death also.



God kills Er for being wicked, and then kills Er's brother, Onan, for ejaculating outside the vagina of his dead brother's wife.

He was actually killed because of greed. You have to understand it within the conext of Jewish inheritance laws.

He basically wanted to leave her penniless with her children having no hold on the future properties owned by her father in law.

 

[JuvenileHell]

The story of Job still makes me go so many years later

the Christian God is an abusive piece of shyt. If a man treated some of these bible-thumpers' sisters the way God treats us, they'd want to kill his ass

 

[2 Up 2 Down]

I don't know how anyone can read the Bible and take it as facts. That being said, I love mythologies so I do enjoy the stories in the bible.

 

[invalid]

there are many evidences of this as well as in the Sinai peninsula. There is debate on whether "David" was a person or was his name a title...in hebrew is Dwd which transliterated to Egyptian is Twt
King David | Bible Origins in Egypt

Thutmose I - Wikipedia

his name means Born of Wisdom (Thoth/Djehuti)

Those outside of Egypt would not have known him by his birth name though, only by his throne name which was Menkhepere. Pharaohs acting in any official capacity or addressed in any foreign correspondence were addressed by their throne names.

You even see this in the Amarna letters where a Hittite princess (canaanites) was soliciting help from Pharaoh Tutankhamen because of a coup that was happening. She kept referring to him as Nibhuruiya which was a Hittite transliteration of his throne name Nebkheperure.

Not sure there is enough evidence that would link Djehuti-Mose (Thutmosis) to David. He would've been known as Menkhepere as Pharaoh.

 

[dat aint da same sandwich]

the punishment isn't spending 3 days dead but facing God's wrath against sin

Lets look at Jesus' last words on the cross

‘I tell you the truth, today you will be with me in paradise’” - Luke 23:42-43 (Jesus said this to a thief who was also crucified beside him)

"My God, My God, why have you forsaken me?" Matthew 27:46

This means that He wasn't afraid of spending 3 days in some netherworld region (He knew He was going to paradise that same day).
However, he was afraid of being bearing humanity's sin and bearing God's anger against sin.

The whole story is fake regardless. The point is he wasn't "sacrificed" at all. None of that other shyt means anything.

 

[Edub]

Lot of y’all are lost..... placing the love for God should come before anyone or anything else.... it’s the only way to truly love our children and families.... Abraham was tough enough to endure the lesson for the example to be made...... lot of y’all weak minded and wouldn’t understand ..... but whatever, get the picture

 

[Koichos]

the events of Genesis 1 include all of reality...Genesis 2 on the other hand explains only the creation of Man and then his wife

The second narrative begins not with the opening of B'réshít ch. 2, but with B'réshít 2:4 in particular as the verse begins אֵלֶּה éllĕh "these [are]..." which points back to what was previously said and expands upon it.

its often considered to be one in the same but you must go back to Genesis 2:4 to understand that they arent describing the same thing necessarily....

It is important to note that any particular portion within the Torah is not necessarily conveying absolute chronological order. Familiar to every y'shivah bochur is the expression which communicates this phenomenon: אֵֽין מֻקְדָּֽם וְמְאֻחָֽר בָּתּוֹרָֽה én mūk'dám ū'm'ūchár battōráh.

Genesis 2:4



consider the word generations in light of the meticulous recording of generations of the line of david/seth etc

there is more going on here than meets the eye IMO

Rashi often gives the פְּשָֽׁט p'shŏt (simple meaning) and the דְּרַֽשׁ d'rŭsh (derived meaning); if you're unsure about a verse in the T'nach, see Rashi's explanatory notes.

@Koichos what do you think

I'm most intrigued by the word בְּהִבָּרְאָם b'híbbár'am ("when they were created"), a grammatically superfluous hapax legomenon appearing only at B'réshít 2:4. There are numerous midrashím on this verse due to the manner in which it is written in every Séfer Torah—the letter ה hé in בְּהִבָּרְאָם b'híbbár'am is distinctively small. The two primary midráshic interpretations are explained thusly: בְּהִבָּרְאָם b'híbbár'am ("when they were created") should be read as [the anagram] בְּאַבְרָהָם b'Avrahám ("in [i.e. through the merit of] Avrahám [they were created]"); more esoterically, not בְּהִבָּרְאָם b-hí-bár'am but בְּהֵבָּרְאָם b-hé-bár'am ("with [the letter] hé, they were created") because in the Hebrew esoteric tradition the letter ה hé is associated with the property of speech, and as we see from the first act of creation (B'réshít 1:3), all things were created by Hashem's speech ("G-d said: 'There should be Light!'—so there was light"). Speech is a by-product of sound and the medium through which creation arises; the letter ה hé represents that initial breath (or sound) that develops into speech.

 

[Dave24]

Gnosticism

Wiki it

Basically, the "serpent" is actually the hero. Tells Man to seek the truth no matter how painful (the fruit, the fall)

Yahweh is the ruler of this realm. All powerful here. Can destroy you. Send you to Hell

But he's still wrong. He's jealous. Childish. Vengeful.

Yahweh is not the transcendent G-d tho. Moreso a demig-d. Jesus was sent from the transcendent G-d to save us. From Yahweh.

Not to disrespect Yahweh. Also called Rex Mundi. King of THIS world (universe/dimension/realm). Cause he IS all powerful here. But he's petty

As per the Bible, if you submit to him and worship him he will bless you.

But

The transcendent G-d needs no worship. No accolades. For G-d has no ego. No personality at all in the common sense

But G-d requires obedience. Just like you must obey gravity and time. The righteous path is a natural way of life. If one lives their "best life" they necessarily obey G-d. For physical social mental and spiritual HEALTH. Strength. Longevity. Joy.

@Ghost Utmost you said if you submit to Yahweh and worship him you will be blessed.

1. In what ways will you be blessed?

2. In what ways are you supposed to submit and worship to him in order to be blessed?

 

[Ghost Utmost]

@Ghost Utmost you said if you submit to Yahweh and worship him you will be blessed.

1. In what ways will you be blessed?

2. In what ways are you supposed to submit and worship to him in order to be blessed?

It follows standard Bible rules.

The 10 commandments

Its the reason there are like 5 commandments about no other g-ds

 

[Dave24]

It follows standard Bible rules.

The 10 commandments

Its the reason there are like 5 commandments about no other g-ds

@Ghost Utmost so if you follow the 10 commandments will you be blessed in terms of having wealth, success, great social life, great sex life with lots of women or great marriage with happy family?

Using an example, look at the life of tom brady. GOAT quarterback, wealth, success, fame, married to a supermodel, could have any woman he wants.

In order for tom brady to have the life he acquired did he follow the ten commandments and submit/worship God?

 

[The Realist Perspective]

Gnosticism

Wiki it

Basically, the "serpent" is actually the hero. Tells Man to seek the truth no matter how painful (the fruit, the fall)

Yahweh is the ruler of this realm. All powerful here. Can destroy you. Send you to Hell

But he's still wrong. He's jealous. Childish. Vengeful.

Yahweh is not the transcendent G-d tho. Moreso a demig-d. Jesus was sent from the transcendent G-d to save us. From Yahweh.

Not to disrespect Yahweh. Also called Rex Mundi. King of THIS world (universe/dimension/realm). Cause he IS all powerful here. But he's petty

As per the Bible, if you submit to him and worship him he will bless you.

But

The transcendent G-d needs no worship. No accolades. For G-d has no ego. No personality at all in the common sense

But G-d requires obedience. Just like you must obey gravity and time. The righteous path is a natural way of life. If one lives their "best life" they necessarily obey G-d. For physical social mental and spiritual HEALTH. Strength. Longevity. Joy.

This makes the sense of it all. Thanks for the new look at things.

 

[Deep_Black_Conscious]

@Ghost Utmost so if you follow the 10 commandments will you be blessed in terms of having wealth, success, great social life, great sex life with lots of women or great marriage with happy family?

Using an example, look at the life of tom brady. GOAT quarterback, wealth, success, fame, married to a supermodel, could have any woman he wants.

In order for tom brady to have the life he acquired did he follow the ten commandments and submit/worship God?

Gnosticism is about revealing why the world is the way it is
Look up the Demiurge
There is no rhyme or reason for anything that happens except to maximize suffering
Make smart choices, set goals, and pay attention to your intuition
Sometimes you also need luck, because a lot of people don't realize a lot of our lives are out of our control

 

[Ghost Utmost]

@Ghost Utmost so if you follow the 10 commandments will you be blessed in terms of having wealth, success, great social life, great sex life with lots of women or great marriage with happy family?

Using an example, look at the life of tom brady. GOAT quarterback, wealth, success, fame, married to a supermodel, could have any woman he wants.

In order for tom brady to have the life he acquired did he follow the ten commandments and submit/worship God?

Basically...

Keep in mind. The important stuff in the 10 commandments is just healthy living in general

The rest has to do with not pissing the ruler of this realm off

You seem to think I take this literally. I take it poetically. There's truth in the myths but they are not scientific text books

Myths are like favorite songs than they are like scientific analysis

 

[MMS]

The second narrative begins not with the opening of B'réshít ch. 2, but with B'réshít 2:4 in particular as the verse begins אֵלֶּה éllĕh "these [are]..." which points back to what was previously said and expands upon it.


It is important to note that any particular portion within the Torah is not necessarily conveying absolute chronological order. Familiar to every y'shivah bochur is the expression which communicates this phenomenon: אֵֽין מֻקְדָּֽם וְמְאֻחָֽר בָּתּוֹרָֽה én mūk'dám ū'm'ūchár battōráh.


Rashi often gives the פְּשָֽׁט p'shŏt (simple meaning) and the דְּרַֽשׁ d'rŭsh (derived meaning); if you're unsure about a verse in the T'nach, see Rashi's explanatory notes.


I'm most intrigued by the word בְּהִבָּרְאָם b'híbbár'am ("when they were created"), a grammatically superfluous hapax legomenon appearing only at B'réshít 2:4. There are numerous midrashím on this verse due to the manner in which it is written in every Séfer Torah—the letter ה hé in בְּהִבָּרְאָם b'híbbár'am is distinctively small. The two primary midráshic interpretations are explained thusly: בְּהִבָּרְאָם b'híbbár'am ("when they were created") should be read as [the anagram] בְּאַבְרָהָם b'Avrahám ("in [i.e. through the merit of] Avrahám [they were created]"); more esoterically, not בְּהִבָּרְאָם b-hí-bár'am but בְּהֵבָּרְאָם b-hé-bár'am ("with [the letter] hé, they were created") because in the Hebrew esoteric tradition the letter ה hé is associated with the property of speech, and as we see from the first act of creation (B'réshít 1:3), all things were created by Hashem's speech ("G-d said: 'There should be Light!'—so there was light"). Speech is a by-product of sound and the medium through which creation arises; the letter ה hé represents that initial breath (or sound) that develops into speech.

Something that flies over many heads is that the torah was the only source of learning to the Israelites

its easy today to fall on the wisdom of the internet, school and mom and dad....but those times were different

just thinking about the birth of language fundamentally changed what man is...makes me wonder would it even be possible to consider thinking without language