Why can't black female r&b/pop artists get on?
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Tinashe isn't black she a mulatto half breed.
And this thread was already made multiple times.
http://www.thecoli.com/threads/will...hat-actually-looks-like-a-black-woman.313333/
http://www.thecoli.com/threads/if-y...rtist-you-wont-sell-albums-in-america.363925/
http://www.thecoli.com/threads/blac...t-be-room-for-us-all-or-5-black-girls.386193/
And this thread was already made multiple times.
http://www.thecoli.com/threads/will...hat-actually-looks-like-a-black-woman.313333/
http://www.thecoli.com/threads/if-y...rtist-you-wont-sell-albums-in-america.363925/
http://www.thecoli.com/threads/blac...t-be-room-for-us-all-or-5-black-girls.386193/
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Basically.
Just looked at the Top 20 on Billboard right now
There are 7 black men (Desiigner, Drake, WizKid, Ty Dollar sign, Florida, Prince, Kevin Gates) occupying 9 spots on the top 20
Do you think the industry wants there to be more black men on the pop charts then white?
Black female artists just need to step up and make some culturally relevant shyt
If your music can't get played in the club or be apart of the soundtrack to people's pre gaming or turn up session you are going to have a ceiling( there are exception like Cole)Basically.
Just looked at the Top 20 on Billboard right now
There are 7 black men (Desiigner, Drake, WizKid, Ty Dollar sign, Florida, Prince, Kevin Gates) occupying 9 spots on the top 20
Black female artists just need to step up and make some culturally relevant shyt
And Female R&B doesn't seem to be able to build a buzz.
Jhene did it with her "Post to be" verse and I know that's not the R&B people here grew up on but that's what it is going to take for more females to become culturally relevant
Niqqa You Gay
You fakkit coli nikkas disgust me
If they ain't thottin the labels and the fans ain't flockin
The_King_of_Everything
Yeah.
Because nikkas don't support black female acts.
How many people bought that last jennifer Hudson, tinashe, Ciara, album.
How many people bought that last jennifer Hudson, tinashe, Ciara, album.
Maybe people don't find those artist good enough to invest in themBecause nikkas don't support black female acts.
How many people bought that last jennifer Hudson, tinashe, Ciara, album.
No one knows Tinashe
I've never heard anyone like anything J he has made
Ciara
she doesn't have fans
Manuel Hot Pepper Lopez
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Was thinking about this a while ago, what black females are young black girls listening to that aren't advocates of ratchetness? I'm used to a girl having a library of Mary J/Janet/Mariah/Badu/Monica/Brandy/Faith/Jill/Toni/etc, etc....Not around young girls really that much these days, but it seems like it's either pop females or the legion of crooning hybrid dudes that demographic is into now. Do they even like ballads these days? Seeing Erykah get theSpin off from that tinashe thread, while I don't think she's special, i do take exception to that fact that there hasn't been a successful black female r&b/pop star to debut this decade (2010+ for the dummies). When I say successful, I'm not talking beyonce or rihanna level success, altho there should be at least someone near that range - Alicia keys- I'm talking chris brown, weeknd (great example of becoming a breakout artist), trey songz levels. You'll have an artist drop and they may do ok on one album - keri hilson, k michelle - and/or may get a few singles popping, but they can't sustain it. Jhene Aiko is like the only one to halfway make it, we'll see if/when she puts out a second album. But there's a huge hole in the game as far as black female singers.
shyt is fukked up...releases from OG's like Jill Scott are being overlooked, chicks like jazmine Sullivan are putting out a fire albums and can't get any rotation on the radio, unique sounding chicks like Elle Varner can't get a release, and dope urban r&b from chicks like teyana taylor and tiara thomas gets no spins or coverage.at us being erased from the industry.
Beyonce and rihanna debuted 10-20 years ago and you're telling me we don't have at least one other star poised to break out?
from the kids let me know true soul music is gonna die out with 80's babies. Death of R&B is worse than hip-hop's death because it's history goes back so much further, and it appears it's going to just be extinct in the near futureI think it's because it's all about the look nowadays, and Black women are no longer fetishized like they used to be. There are certain features of Black women that were fetishized, but now any women can purchase those features.
Most of these singers don't write their own songs. So it doesn't matter how well you sing, there are millions of people who can sing. So now Pop & R&B artists are cherry picked based on their look.
They have to be mixed, exotic looking, or light to even gain any type of ground. Just look at the singers that you guys are talking about in this post. But if you can get a Latina or White girl who can pull of the sound, even better, because it's assumed that the demographic is larger. These songs are crafted and then passed on to whoever can bring the largest demographic to said song.
Going through the thread I see that @Demetrius posted some links that probably cover all this already.
Most of these singers don't write their own songs. So it doesn't matter how well you sing, there are millions of people who can sing. So now Pop & R&B artists are cherry picked based on their look.
They have to be mixed, exotic looking, or light to even gain any type of ground. Just look at the singers that you guys are talking about in this post. But if you can get a Latina or White girl who can pull of the sound, even better, because it's assumed that the demographic is larger. These songs are crafted and then passed on to whoever can bring the largest demographic to said song.
Going through the thread I see that @Demetrius posted some links that probably cover all this already.
Spin off from that tinashe thread, while I don't think she's special, i do take exception to that fact that there hasn't been a successful black female r&b/pop star to debut this decade (2010+ for the dummies). When I say successful, I'm not talking beyonce or rihanna level success, altho there should be at least someone near that range - Alicia keys
shyt is fukked up...releases from OG's like Jill Scott are being overlooked, chicks like jazmine Sullivan are putting out a fire albums and can't get any rotation on the radio, unique sounding chicks like Elle Varner can't get a release, and dope urban r&b from chicks like teyana taylor and tiara thomas gets no spins or coverage.
Beyonce and rihanna debuted 10-20 years ago and you're telling me we don't have at least one other star poised to break out?
I just think we no longer have a lane for black female singers
That's crazy to say, but if ur a white female singer(Katy Perry, Swift) you got the pop/hip-hop crossover covered, you got the heavier/serious stuff with Adele. It's really amazing though b/c to me it's alwaus kinda been that way(Britney Spears/Aguilera, etc), BUT say like 10-12 years ago you still had Ashanti, Amerie, of course Mary J, Toni Braxton, and more. It's weird b/c it's almost like the young Black female FAN has disappeared. The young Black female music fan now would rather say, "Katy Perry is my girl" "Ariana Grande....." "I love Adele's music", rather than embrace Zendaya or someone else new who's Black. Where is the next Brandy or Monica or even an Angie Stone?
Why is there not even a TV show for such music videos anymore?Just as I'm typing, I realized that Black female artists have to get down & dirty(ratchet) to get noticed anymore. And that applies to the heavyweights as well.....Rihanna has to continually push the envelope further by being nude in a video or making more overt sexual songs. Even 'queen' Bey isn't immune
, ain't nobody checking for Beyonce singles if they don't have profanity and veiled sexual references. But their white female counterparts can maintain more of their 'womanly-ness' so to speak, and still sell a bunch of records. They're performing the songs many Black female singers should be performing, but can't b/c they're "boring" when we do them. So we make ratchet sh*t and the hole. digs. deeper.
from my understanding tinashe was medium level internet famous but she wanted to be a beyonce/rihanna level. there's nothing wrong with being underground. she was not content with her level & abandoned her fanbase. so not only was she going into hollywood with now zero fans but she was also labeled a sellout.
women support female artists that they want to be (not just their music). beyonce is the "perfect" beauty/entertainer/bad bish. rihanna is the beautiful, sexpot bad girl. Tinashe hasn't really created a desirable or consistent image. one minute she's flashing her breasts and the next doing stuff like this photo below or the snapchat rants about people not supporting her. on the LSA forum fonts often call her desperate. i do think she's a bit impatient, success will come if she lets it. rihanna didn't blow up immediately & neither did bey.
as for other black artists, i think in part that is due to wanting to crossover. once you decide your fanbase will be white then you put your future in white hands. whites prefer whites. altho i dislike k michelle's music, i do think she's a good example of being content with your fanbase. i don't see her trying to appeal to whites or corporations. her, fantasia, keyshia cole and a few others that get joked on for doing the "chitlin circuit" are going about things the right way imo. appreciate your fans and they will support you. they might not be a success to others, but they don't have issues selling out shows
women support female artists that they want to be (not just their music). beyonce is the "perfect" beauty/entertainer/bad bish. rihanna is the beautiful, sexpot bad girl. Tinashe hasn't really created a desirable or consistent image. one minute she's flashing her breasts and the next doing stuff like this photo below or the snapchat rants about people not supporting her. on the LSA forum fonts often call her desperate. i do think she's a bit impatient, success will come if she lets it. rihanna didn't blow up immediately & neither did bey.
as for other black artists, i think in part that is due to wanting to crossover. once you decide your fanbase will be white then you put your future in white hands. whites prefer whites. altho i dislike k michelle's music, i do think she's a good example of being content with your fanbase. i don't see her trying to appeal to whites or corporations. her, fantasia, keyshia cole and a few others that get joked on for doing the "chitlin circuit" are going about things the right way imo. appreciate your fans and they will support you. they might not be a success to others, but they don't have issues selling out shows
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Hyperion
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I think the issue here is that neither of the upcoming black female R&B singers/pop stars have the songs to propel them into super-stardom yet, nor the fan base to get them there. Plenty of black women support Beyonce and Rihanna at the same time, they'd be able to support another. In fact, I think many of them want another superstar, it's been too long. But maybe black women just haven't found that upcoming artist who they are 100% willing to boost yet, because they do go hard for Bey and Rih. Rihanna blew up in 2007, I believe. Almost 10 years, and nobody else has really come and occupied the third spot except for maybe Nicki, but she's a rapper. I guess it depends if people are willing to count her or not, but even so, it's still been too long. Nicki herself came in around 2009.
We can't really act like Beyonce or Rihanna status is easy to reach either, though. Cause those two are one of the top-selling artists today and sell out arenas like nothing. It'll take consistency and quality for the next artist to get herself there. Beyonce is also known to be a workaholic and I assume Rihanna is probably one as well, so drive, focus and willpower are also necessary. Neither of those things are easy to possess. All of that comes from years of putting the hard work in. So besides the fact that these newer artists don't have the fan base or the songs to raise them higher, most of them probably aren't truly hungry for it. The only one I could see being legitimately hungry is Tinashe, but she doesn't have the songs nor the fan base. I think once an artist comes out and has everything checked off on the list, then we'll really see whether they're able to get to that platform as well.
Hood Critic
The Power Circle
I think it's really as simple as the above...because these are multi-billion dollar conglomerates and if you remove the conspiracy theories of whitewashing music and get to the base of the fact that there is a certain demographic of people who consistently spend money on songs, albums, shows, merch, etc..they have become the targeted audience for everything entertainment so it's all targeted to what "they" want to see/hear.
This is why I believe what Jay is doing with Tidal is so important. A platform that distributes "our" music and distributes revenue amongst "us" strengthens our position in terms of ownership, creative control and direction.
