Why can't black female r&b/pop artists get on?

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from my understanding tinashe was medium level internet famous but she wanted to be a beyonce/rihanna level. there's nothing wrong with being underground. she was not content with her level & abandoned her fanbase. so not only was she going into hollywood with now zero fans but she was also labeled a sellout. :manny:


women support female artists that they want to be (not just their music). beyonce is the "perfect" beauty/entertainer/bad bish. rihanna is the beautiful, sexpot bad girl. Tinashe hasn't really created a desirable or consistent image. one minute she's flashing her breasts and the next doing stuff like this photo below or the snapchat rants about people not supporting her. on the LSA forum fonts often call her desperate. i do think she's a bit impatient, success will come if she lets it. rihanna didn't blow up immediately & neither did bey.
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as for other black artists, i think in part that is due to wanting to crossover. once you decide your fanbase will be white then you put your future in white hands. whites prefer whites. altho i dislike k michelle's music, i do think she's a good example of being content with your fanbase. i don't see her trying to appeal to whites or corporations. her, fantasia, keyshia cole and a few others that get joked on for doing the "chitlin circuit" are going about things the right way imo. appreciate your fans and they will support you. they might not be a success to others, but they don't have issues selling out shows

You hit the nail on the head:salute:

The suburbanite side of Tinashe will probably keep her from appealing to black women....She's kind of nerdy,and the fact she's good looking only makes things worse because she will probably be considerd bougie.....She's not very relatable to black women overall I don't think,at least not black women who would be the target you want to sell albums too....And you HAVE to go through black women first to be a rnb pop/star....Ciara had to get poppin off Goodies and Ohhh before she start making those crossover records,Beyonce was making Say My Names and Bills Bills before she crossed over,Round of Applause and that short haircut all the black chicks wanted blew Rhianna up:pachaha:.....You gotta appeal to the black women and make the white folks come to you and Beyoncé has been pretty consistent at that,i give her props on that.

But lets be honest it was mostly black men writing for these women back in the day....So if men cant speak to womens emotions from a male perspective nowadays,how they supposed to be able to speak to women from a womans perspective:mjlol:? Rnb is mostly in a sad state right now as far as writers,its not emotionally driven....and these bytches just aint that cool no more
 

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I just think we no longer have a lane for black female singers :wow: That's crazy to say, but if ur a white female singer(Katy Perry, Swift) you got the pop/hip-hop crossover covered, you got the heavier/serious stuff with Adele. It's really amazing though b/c to me it's alwaus kinda been that way(Britney Spears/Aguilera, etc), BUT say like 10-12 years ago you still had Ashanti, Amerie, of course Mary J, Toni Braxton, and more. It's weird b/c it's almost like the young Black female FAN has disappeared. :mjcry:

The young Black female music fan now would rather say, "Katy Perry is my girl" "Ariana Grande....." "I love Adele's music", rather than embrace Zendaya or someone else new who's Black. Where is the next Brandy or Monica or even an Angie Stone? :francis: Why is there not even a TV show for such music videos anymore?

Just as I'm typing, I realized that Black female artists have to get down & dirty(ratchet) to get noticed anymore. And that applies to the heavyweights as well.....Rihanna has to continually push the envelope further by being nude in a video or making more overt sexual songs. Even 'queen' Bey isn't immune:ufdup:, ain't nobody checking for Beyonce singles if they don't have profanity and veiled sexual references.

But their white female counterparts can maintain more of their 'womanly-ness' so to speak, and still sell a bunch of records. They're performing the songs many Black female singers should be performing, but can't b/c they're "boring" when we do them. So we make ratchet sh*t and the hole. digs. deeper. :wow:

This is a great discussion but I think you are off base.

No one is watching music videos on TV.

Young black girls aren't really listening to white pop artist like that. They are listening to rap and and the male R&B artist that are able to create culturally relevant music

Also Adele is boring to the larger population of black music fans she Just has a niche dedicated fanbase like J Cole



I think it's really as simple as the above...because these are multi-billion dollar conglomerates and if you remove the conspiracy theories of whitewashing music and get to the base of the fact that there is a certain demographic of people who consistently spend money on songs, albums, shows, merch, etc..they have become the targeted audience for everything entertainment so it's all targeted to what "they" want to see/hear.

This is why I believe what Jay is doing with Tidal is so important. A platform that distributes "our" music and distributes revenue amongst "us" strengthens our position in terms of ownership, creative control and direction.

It's not that simple. It's what @Patz is saying. Black female singers are not making the type of music that fans want to hear and when I say "fans" I mean the one that make thing popular 16-23 year olds

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What do those songs have in common? If they come on next to Future, Thugga, Drake, Gotti, ect the mood is not being thrown off

The next big Female R&B artist will understand how to make great music with the same style that people want now like Tiller and the Weeknd
 
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For whatever reason the music industry is built like that. In the 90s you had plenty of mainstream black female r&b singers who were big. A part of the reason is that r&b in general has become too diluted with hip hop.

With white female singers there's plenty of room for them to get on because the music industry allows. They give them plenty of mainstream attention and they sell big. (Adele, Ariana Grande, taylor swift, Katy Perry, etc)
 

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This is a great discussion but I think you are off base.

No one is watching music videos on TV.

Young black girls aren't really listening to white pop artist like that. They are listening to rap and and the male R&B artist that are able to create culturally relevant music

Also Adele is boring to the larger population of black music fans she Just has a niche dedicated fanbase like J Cole





It's not that simple. It's what @Patz is saying. Black female singers are not making the type of music that fans want to hear and when I say "fans" I mean the one that make thing popular 16-23 year olds

Work
Formation
Needed me
Drunk in love
2 on
Post to be- Jhene verse

What do those songs have in common? If they come on next to Future, Thugga, Drake, Gotti, ect the mood is not being thrown off

The next big Female R&B artist will understand how to make great music with the same style that people want now like Tiller and the Weeknd
That definitely plays a part as well but even if the vibe is maintained, they still have to support with their wallets.
 

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This is a great discussion but I think you are off base.

No one is watching music videos on TV.

Young black girls aren't really listening to white pop artist like that. They are listening to rap and and the male R&B artist that are able to create culturally relevant music

Also Adele is boring to the larger population of black music fans she Just has a niche dedicated fanbase like J Cole





It's not that simple. It's what @Patz is saying. Black female singers are not making the type of music that fans want to hear and when I say "fans" I mean the one that make thing popular 16-23 year olds

Work
Formation
Needed me
Drunk in love
2 on
Post to be- Jhene verse

What do those songs have in common? If they come on next to Future, Thugga, Drake, Gotti, ect the mood is not being thrown off

The next big Female R&B artist will understand how to make great music with the same style that people want now like Tiller and the Weeknd
who cares what 16-23 year olds want, you have to have broad appeal. When Toni Braxton dropped I was listening to her a 7 year old as were my parents as were white folks. Ashanti being popping to 12-30 year olds is what capped her career, that fan base moves on easily and when you're not hot with them, your career is over.

Anyway, a lot of y'all missing the point, I explicitly said I'm not taking about bey/rih success...I'm talking where Ciara was in 06/07 type success, Ashanti in 01-04, keyshia cole in 06-08....like black females who have a strong solid career.

Also, miss me with those TLR colorist threads whoever posted a few posts back, black women are black women.

Lastly, yes, people like Selena, Ariana, Demi, Katy, gaga, Adele, Ellie Goulding, tori kelly all count, most blew/debuted post 2010 and are carving out stable careers (to varying levels of success) while that's not happening for black women. A black girl can make their same songs and flop and if she makes "blacker" music, black males automatically ain't listening (black men used to listen to r&b...men and women) and young black chicks rather start a shade parade on social media as opposed to embracing her.
 

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The R&B game just ain't fair anymore, Elle Varner should be in Rihanna's spot right now, everything is pop now and K. Michelle

This. Black R&B got swallowed up by the pop machine. Then you gotta add in how R&B tried too hard to compete with rap back in the day and kinda lost its focus.

I'd really like to see it make a come back (especially girl groups like en vogue and swv)
 

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who cares what 16-23 year olds want, you have to have broad appeal. When Toni Braxton dropped I was listening to her a 7 year old as were my parents as were white folks. Ashanti being popping to 12-30 year olds is what capped her career, that fan base moves on easily and when you're not hot with them, your career is over.

Anyway, a lot of y'all missing the point, I explicitly said I'm not taking about bey/rih success...I'm talking where Ciara was in 06/07 type success, Ashanti in 01-04, keyshia cole in 06-08....like black females who have a strong solid career.

Also, miss me with those TLR colorist threads whoever posted a few posts back, black women are black women.

Lastly, yes, people like Selena, Ariana, Demi, Katy, gaga, Adele, Ellie Goulding, tori kelly all count, most blew/debuted post 2010 and are carving out stable careers (to varying levels of success) while that's not happening for black women. A black girl can make their same songs and flop and if she makes "blacker" music, black males automatically ain't listening (black men used to listen to r&b...men and women) and young black chicks rather start a shade parade on social media as opposed to embracing her.
Well it was normal to head the type of music Toni Braxton was making when you were.

My point in that thread is that Tinashe, Elle Verner and ect are not making the type of music that people want to listen to for real

These women are not having substantial careers because they haven't figured out how to navigate the way music is now.



Like someone said in this thread it's by product of R&B becoming diluted with rap and it seem like Female singers careers were the true casualty

It also can't be ignored that these women do not have Resources behind them like Rappers and others do
 

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And the album that made her a house hold name was released in 2011 so you're proving dora's point. Because 8 year's later she's doing a million in the first week.
Exactly, in this same time, what black female artist has ascended? So many have come and gone or entered and been ignored
 

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Well it was normal to head the type of music Toni Braxton was making when you were.

My point in that thread is that Tinashe, Elle Verner and ect are not making the type of music that people want to listen to for real

These women are not having substantial careers because they haven't figured out how to navigate the way music is now.



Like someone said in this thread it's by product of R&B becoming diluted with rap and it seem like Female singers careers were the true casualty

It also can't be ignored that these women do not have Resources behind them like Rappers and others do
I can agree with the "not making music people want to hear" but at the same time, the r&b thug movement definitely damaged where black women fit in the industry. and you got a whole crop of girls growing up without a wide selection of black females in urban music point blank - they got one big rapper and two big pop stars - and as such, they don't really care about having black females represented...shyt is sad :(
 

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Black females traditionally were RnB greatest supporters. With RnB being phased out to the youth, and everyone focused on techno inspired music with bass in the clubs, black women became phased out. Add the fact that autotune is abused and old school church singing voices are "played out," you have this conflict.

Like someone said, old school soul music will die with the 80s babies. :mjcry:
 

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Was thinking about this a while ago, what black females are young black girls listening to that aren't advocates of ratchetness? I'm used to a girl having a library of Mary J/Janet/Mariah/Badu/Monica/Brandy/Faith/Jill/Toni/etc, etc....Not around young girls really that much these days, but it seems like it's either pop females or the legion of crooning hybrid dudes that demographic is into now. Do they even like ballads these days? Seeing Erykah get the :camby: from the kids let me know true soul music is gonna die out with 80's babies. Death of R&B is worse than hip-hop's death because it's history goes back so much further, and it appears it's going to just be extinct in the near future


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