Why Do Cubans Hate Castro So Much

[The G.O.D II]

For the most part, White Cubans and Black Cubans have differing opinions on Castro.

More Black Cubans ride for Castro because he helped them out by taking from the rich (mostly White) Cubans.

Or something like that

No black Cubans don't ride for Castro

 

[intruder]

oh, okay....I've heard older Haitians ,who were alive before he came to power, say that also.

just checking...

Francois Duvalier was a ruthless killer no doubt. But his approach of "se gres kochon an ki pou kwit li" (cook the pig using it's own fat) was what Haiti needed at the time. Thus why when he died he left the country with zero dept and on par with all the other Caribbean islands and a robust agricultural export industry. He accomplish this by kicking out all American and other foreign influence out of the country. There was a story that he invited many foreign diplomats to the Palace for a party and then escorted them to the airport ordering them to immediately leave the country. The objective was to stop foreign influence that didnt have Haiti's best interest from intervening in the country's business.

Those foreigners then helped mount up many coup attempts to overthrow him but failed. Cayard was the closest to succeed when he used one of the Haitian Marine boats and shelled the fukk out the presidential palace almost killing Duvalier.

 

[get these nets]

Based of what my family from there said he as the original (Hitler). But he also had a harem of black and mixed chicks on deck

Trujillo was in office around the time several theories and calls for ethnic cleansing were taking place around the globe....Germany and Japan were formulating those views too.

Like I said, self hatred is stronger because that's a lifelong conflict. If you hate yourself, slaughtering thousand of people who remind you of what you hate about yourself is easy.

Trujillo set in place a propaganda campaign in DR that will probably have permanent consequences.
What if I told you that legally, there were NO Black Dominicans for decades?

It's true, and as always people from the culture can cosign or dispute,.
Trujillo put in effect a full (mis)education campaign of denial from school curriculum to the national id cards for the citizens. There was a box for race and NO............NO Black category....There was "Indio" though...school and state programs taught and reinforced the notion that the Black and Brown DRs were the result of the native people (Indians/Indio). Erased and acted as though Africans didn't exist in DR except for the Haitians
"The Dominican Republic is a white Christian country...and (the Haitians are polluting the gene pool)" Trujillo


So when you see/read some of the comments by D.R.s about racial identity....that's the legacy of Trujillo. He took a mindset that existed in certain circles and ingrained it into the fabric of the country by propaganda.

 

[SchrodingersStrapped!]

Viva Fidel

Batista

The Kennedy's

 

[get these nets]

Francois Duvalier was a ruthless killer no doubt. But his approach of "se gres kochon an ki pou kwit li" (cook the pig using it's own fat) was what Haiti needed at the time. Thus why when he died he left the country with zero dept and on par with all the other Caribbean islands and a robust agricultural export industry. He accomplish this by kicking out all American and other foreign influence out of the country. There was a story that he invited many foreign diplomats to the Palace for a party and then escorted them to the airport ordering them to immediately leave the country. The objective was to stop foreign influence that didnt have Haiti's best interest from intervening in the country's business.

Those foreigners then helped mount up many coup attempts to overthrow him but failed. Cayard was the closest to succeed when he used one of the Haitian Marine boats and shelled the fukk out the presidential palace almost killing Duvalier.

I was just checking. Papa Doc is a good example to use in this thread about Castro. Baby Doc the imbecile helped run the country into the ground.
Duvalier (pop) was a strong man and murdered a lot of people. I personally hate him and the effect of some of his actions, but it's a very good example of what is being discussed here about Castro. The people who were alive before a dictator comes into office can give a better opinion of the impact of his reign.

 

[intruder]

well, tbh id wanna know more about her aunts ideals before deciding that offending wouldn't actually be something that needed to happen lol

like a white cuban in miami trying to tell me that castro is horrible would get the immediate from me, idc if castro hurt their best friend personally bc they prob benefited from a system that hurt many others themselves. at that point should i put direct/relateable pain over the well being of millions and the social health/future of a whole country?

sometimes what these leaders do are bigger than any individual or their pain tbh

What you clones fail to understand it that you didnt need to be a beneficiary of said regime or a beneficiary of its opposition to be a victim.

Sometimes these regimes employed goons to maintain power and these goons would abuse their power. Stories of families who's daughters got killed because they rejected some random lowlife goon who's an attache is common in small countries. You fools who grew up in modern day America dont know what it;s like for your sister or cousin to not come home because she didnt respond to some clown's advances.
Or better yet your sister gets killed because some dude likes her but some attache's daughter has a crush on said dude and eliminates the competition by killing your sister/cousin whom shes never even met.

So again you can wrap your rebel wanna-be ass in all the Che and Castro T-Shirts you want trying to be against the system if you want. Just be ready because with your fraudulent laws here in the U.S. someone could stab you for it and claim temporary insanity and will probably get away with it.

 

[mannyrs13]

The sanctions and embargo have held Cuba back more than Castro, blame the US for the conditions in Cuba currently.


All around Cuba you have examples of what countries look like because of American interference.

That may be true but who's to say the regime wouldn't have kept things for themselves. One of man's greatest defects is greed. Cuba had an ally in the Soviet union but once they ended communism, Castro didn't want to do it himself. Because he felt like it was the right way. Cuba has allies and trade partners all over the world. They export rum and cigars thru international partners. I think there's definitely money to be made in Cuba. But there's gotta be opportunity for the people, not just the government. I think if a country has a democracy, then it would have more money.

 

[intruder]

I was just checking. Papa Doc is a good example to use in this thread about Castro. Baby Doc the imbecile helped run the country into the ground.
Duvalier (pop) was a strong man and murdered a lot of people. I personally hate him and the effect of some of his actions, but it's a very good example of what is being discussed here about Castro. The people who were alive before a dictator comes into office can give a better opinion of the impact of his reign.

Well you have t understand this:

PapaDoc had made so many enemies he knew there was no way BabyDoc could maintain power after he's gone. Thus why he became open to dealing with Americans again because he knew with their support BabyDoc would be able to sustain. And he did. The Americans embraced BabyDoc and helped him stay in power but it came with a price (pig slaughter, bad deals, made him overspend on military equipment). All this compiled and caused the downward spiral of most of our local industries

 

[Bawon Samedi]

Seizure of wealth caused the wealthy cubans to hate him. The failure of Cuba to evolve to its max potential (du to the US embargo) caused the lower class to get tired of the regime

Castro had his supporters but not all benefited from his regime so he's bound to have haters. This is why i was saying Kaepernik (sp) was dumb and others like him who admire these revolutionary men need to understand that with their admiration comes backlash because in order to maintain power these same men that they admire have had to (as we say in my country) "break some bones" and sometimes innocent ones. These men have real victims that you may cross paths with all over the place. So while you think you're repping being against the system with your overpriced tshirt the random cuban dude looking at you weird may be staring at the man who had his uncle or grandad executed on your shirt.

Im a big Castro and Chavez supporter myself. But you gotta watch how you express it

lol what?

These "people" like Kaep who admire these revolutionary men take the GOOD aspect of them to evolve their agenda. No shyt they and we all KNOW these revolutionary men did a lot of bad things. But thats not the freaking point. The point is that their goals aligned with ours. Dessaline killed off the white population in Haiti and many people who dislike the Haitian revolution use that against him. Yet Dessaline did that for the betterment of Haiti. And many blacks around the diaspora look up to Dessaline because he was anti-slavery and thus Dessaline's goals aligned with ours. We are AWARE of what he did.

So I don't get what your point is with Kaep. No revolutionary leader was all innocent. And I'm pretty sure Kaep is aware of that even if he may not have an inside look.

 

[get these nets]

Well you have t understand this:

PapaDoc had made so many enemies he knew there was no way BabyDoc could maintain power after he's gone. Thus why he became open to dealing with Americans again because he knew with their support BabyDoc would be able to sustain. And he did. The Americans embraced BabyDoc and helped him stay in power but it came with a price (pig slaughter, bad deals, made him overspend on military equipment). All this compiled and caused the downward spiral of most of our local industries

Thanks and I hate to derail the thread but it's relevant to the original topic.

Papa Doc , in my opinion, did some pandering along color lines, like Castro did for political capital.
Years ago in this country, we saw a blatant example of this when disgraced ex mayor of DC,Marion Barry...ran for office again decked out in Kinte cloth...and a wife with darker skin and more African features than his previous wife.
Paps' embrace of Negritude and the African elements of Haitian culture was a great smokescreen to dupe the people.

 

[intruder]

lol what?

These "people" like Kaep who admire these revolutionary men take the GOOD aspect of them to evolve their agenda. No shyt they and we all KNOW these revolutionary men did a lot of bad things. But thats not the freaking point. The point is that their goals aligned with ours. Dessaline killed off the white population in Haiti and many people who dislike the Haitian revolution use that against him. Yet Dessaline did that for the betterment of Haiti. And many blacks around the diaspora look up to Dessaline because he was anti-slavery and thus Dessaline's goals aligned with ours. We are AWARE of what he did.

So I don't get what your point is with Kaep. No revolutionary leader was all innocent. And I'm pretty sure Kaep is aware of that even if he may not have an inside look.

Where are the Dessalines T-Shirts, then?
As far as Kaep goes what i said is he cant possibly wear that shirt and not expect backlash from cubans. THAT'S IT.

 

[Malta]

That may be true but who's to say the regime wouldn't have kept things for themselves. One of man's greatest defects is greed. Cuba had an ally in the Soviet union but once they ended communism, Castro didn't want to do it himself. Because he felt like it was the right way. Cuba has allies and trade partners all over the world. They export rum and cigars thru international partners. I think there's definitely money to be made in Cuba. But there's gotta be opportunity for the people, not just the government. I think if a country has a democracy, then it would have more money.

The govt. has done right by Cubans in regards to education, if it were simply about suppression and keeping everything to themselves they'd keep the population uneducated because education costs a ton in general. Cuba is cut off from trading with the US, they are losing billions every year from not being allowed to trade with a partner that for all intents and purposes would like to (ie. US investors and corps want in on Cuba).


Have you checked out the other democracies in the Caribbean, Central/South America to see how they're doing? You're under the false illusion that the Cuban people would benefit from unregulated open trade with America, when the reality is that America and investors would suck Cuba dry and exploit the people like they've done to the rest of the democratic countries in that region of the world. The elites would get the money, not the people, we literally have case studies all around Cuba as examples of what happens to US backed democracies in the Caribbean, so why would Cuba be different? All those countries with poor education and abnormally high murder rates have the US to thank, yet Cuba is the inverse of those countries and you want them to adopt the same ideologies that has the rest of the region struggling? shyt, Iraq was given Democracy, it looks like hell on earth now compared to when Saddam was in power, same with Libya.

We don't know what they could turn into if they were allowed to truly govern themselves without the oppressive embargo, but I have a fairly good idea what they'd turn into if the US imposed it's brand of Democracy on it.

 

[WheatThins]

So again you can wrap your rebel wanna-be ass in all the Che and Castro T-Shirts you want trying to be against the system if you want. Just be ready because with your fraudulent laws here in the U.S. someone could stab you for it and claim temporary insanity and will probably get away with it.

tbh it has nothing to do with being a rebel so chill, its just that sometimes the ideas go beyond the actual figurehead and their associations.

that goes for both sides ie. trump is a horrible person along with having horrible people around him but the ideas he ran on truly resonated with a lot of people.

if funny tho, those same cubans did not care when the shoe was on the other foot tho

 

[mcellas]

Miami Cubans Hate him
Cacs hate him
He hates the Bushes
An enemy of my Enemy

 

[intruder]

tbh it has nothing to do with being a rebel so chill, its just that sometimes the ideas go beyond the actual figurehead and their associations.

that goes for both sides ie. trump is a horrible person along with having horrible people around him but the ideas he ran on truly resonated with a lot of people.

if funny tho, those same cubans did not care when the shoe was on the other foot tho

Why is it funny? You dont expect people to be fine with things when it's going their way? You think the whites that didnt own slaves gave a fukk about a slave's well being? You think black free-men gave a fukk about the safety of white colonists when the rebel slaves were hanging them in Saint-Domingue (Haiti) in 1791?

People always look out for themselves, doggy. Nothing "funny" about that. That's life. Thats to be expected.