Why do people shyt on Steph Curry for winning an injured Cavs team but give LeBron and Kawhi a pass?

[Osmosis]

Because during the 2015 postseason, cats were bringing up the fact that the Warriors dodged the Clippers and the Spurs.

Another wild swing and a miss.

This is thread is about the 2015 Warriors and their postseason run. Hence why I'm comparing the '15 Warriors postseason run to the '20 Lakers postseason run. It's pretty straight-forward.

That's a dumb argument. If those teams were good enough they would have won their respective series'.

The comparison still doesn't hold much weight. You can't make an argument that the Lakers benefitted from the same injury luck as the Warriors when most of the injuries sustained by the Lakers' opponents are negligible compared to the Cavs missing their second and third best starters for an entire series. The Cavs were favored before the series and underdogs after Kyrie went down. Dragic's injury is the only injury during the Lakers run that even resembles Love and Kyrie being sidelined for an entire series but his availability doesn't change the complexion of the series: the Heat were heavy underdogs with or without him.

There's a reason the Warriors aren't discredited for beating the 2015 Grizzlies-- a healthy Conley wouldn't have made a difference. Ditto for the 2015 Pelicans-- Holiday's availability doesn't change the course of the series. In later years, you never hear anyone discrediting the Warriors for dismantling 2019 Blazers without Nurkic-- the Blazers didn't have a chance with or without him. Even Kawhi's injury, which has gotten a lot of mileage out of Warriors haters, is mentioned to take the piss out of Warriors fans-- the Spurs would have lost with or without him. The injuries to Kyrie and Love are markedly different than any of these scenarios and you know it.

ETA: As you can see, I'm not arguing about anything other than the injuries the Cavs suffered. The other injuries suffered by the Warriors opponents in the 2015 playoffs had very little influence on the outcomes of those series.

 

[Biscayne]

Bam was missing layups when he came back to play after the shoulder and neck injury. Dude was attempting layups in situations where he had a wide open dunk. Dude was 65%. And I’m gonna say it again, for the millionth time. Dragic had the plantar fasciitis injury long before the decision was made for him leave the game.



Ppl moved the goalposts after Jimmy had to gut it out and force it to 6. You had ppl picking the Lakers in 4-5 because they didn’t respect the Heat lineup. Then it became “Miami would’ve lost in 6 anyways” after Miami gutted it out and stole 2. Now the narrative has been switched to:

Dragic would’ve taken away from Butlers all time great performance, and they would’ve lost in 5.

Somehow jimmy having to exert less energy is being used as reasoning as to why Jimmy going off was a better basketball strategy against the Lakers.



Let us not forget the Kelly O stuff:

Bam being out, is actually better for the Heat offense.



Ppl really let the Lakers going off from 3 in Game 1 literally right around the same time that Bam and Dragic(Miami leading scorer) had the series shaping injuries, delude fans into thinking that somehow, their presence or lack their off had no barring on the series.

 

[Biscayne]

All i remember that off season (even now) that the Warriors were lucky that Jrue Holiday was injured , that mike Conley was out , or that Patrick Beverly was out. Also not to mention they didn’t have to play the clippers (blew a 3-1 lead ) or the spurs . Did any of the narratives not take place



Edit: Didn’t see that you already posted it

Don’t forget the Kawhi injury in 2017.

 

[Regular_P]

Bam was missing layups when he came back to play after the shoulder and neck injury. Dude was attempting layups in situations where he had a wide open dunk. Dude was 65%. And I’m gonna say it again, for the millionth time. Dragic had the plantar fasciitis injury long before the decision was made for him leave the game.



Ppl moved the goalposts after Jimmy had to gut it out and force it to 6. You had ppl picking the Lakers in 4-5 because they didn’t respect the Heat lineup. Then it became “Miami would’ve lost in 6 anyways” after Miami gutted it out and stole 2. Now the narrative has been switched to:

Dragic would’ve taken away from Butlers all time great performance, and they would’ve lost in 5.

Somehow jimmy having to exert less energy is being used as reasoning as to why Jimmy going off was a better basketball strategy against the Lakers.



Let us not forget the Kelly O stuff:

Bam being out, is actually better for the Heat offense.



Ppl really let the Lakers going off from 3 in Game 1 literally right around the same time that Bam and Dragic(Miami leading scorer) had the series shaping injuries, delude fans into thinking that somehow, their presence or lack their off had no barring on the series.

As a Lakers fan, going into the Finals I thought Miami was the best team they were gonna face and LA would win in six. I also thought the Lakers were the best team all season.

Having said that, Jimmy basically did what LeBron did in 2015 on much better shooting percentages but he isn't getting the same over the top praise. The 2015 Warriors only had one great player in Steph; this year's Lakers had two and both performed brilliantly.

 

[Osmosis]

As a Lakers fan, going into the Finals I thought Miami was the best team they were gonna face and LA would win in six. I also thought the Lakers were the best team all season.

Having said that, Jimmy basically did what LeBron did in 2015 on much better shooting percentages but he isn't getting the same over the top praise. The 2015 Warriors only had one great player in Steph; this year's Lakers had two and both performed brilliantly.

He also hasn't gotten the over the top hate Lebron has had to deal with for losing that series. People love to bring up Lebron's finals record or his record against Curry. The praise for his performance in that series is no more or less than the criticism he's received for losing in the finals.

Jimmy's performance has done nothing but enhance his legacy and standing in the league. He might not have gotten the same praise as Lebron but the criticism is nonexistent.

 

[SuaveyBoi115]

Don’t forget the Kawhi injury in 2017.

I was only talking about 2015. Now in 2017 all I heard was KD ruined the league the warriors are so unfair, but in the same breath say they only won because of Kawhi ankle. How can you say a team that was deemed unbeatable all year long only won because of injuries

 

[Regular_P]

He also hasn't gotten the over the top hate Lebron has had to deal with for losing that series. People love to bring up Lebron's finals record or his record against Curry. The praise for his performance in that series is no more or less than the criticism he's received for losing in the finals.

Jimmy's performance has done nothing but enhance his legacy and standing in the league. He might not have gotten the same praise as Lebron but the criticism is nonexistent.

Um, there's been quite a bit of Jimmy criticism over the years. Who exactly has been singing his praises the past few years besides a handful of posters on here?

 

[JP_614]

Because you can make an incredibly valid argument that The Warriors and Raptors would've lost.

Kawhi's Raptors ring gets shyt all the time.

Plus, it wasn't like Bam didn't play most of the the series or anything...

This / END THREAD

 

[Left.A1]

A Thread Full of Agenda Posting


This is what "sports talk" has devolved into

 

[Professor Emeritus]

As a Lakers fan, going into the Finals I thought Miami was the best team they were gonna face and LA would win in six. I also thought the Lakers were the best team all season.

Having said that, Jimmy basically did what LeBron did in 2015 on much better shooting percentages but he isn't getting the same over the top praise. The 2015 Warriors only had one great player in Steph; this year's Lakers had two and both performed brilliantly.

I know you're a long-time Bron hater, but come on now, 26-8-10 playing alongside Herro-Bam-Robinson-Crowder-Nunn-Olynyk is NOT the same as 36-13-9 alongside Delly-Shump-JR-TT-Mosgov. What made Bron's effort so incredible was that he had zero teammates who could run the offense, zero teammates who could score on their own, shyt for spacing with Mosgov/TT/Delly/Shump on the court....he had to make literally everything happen. His shooting %'s were shyt but there was no one who was going to do otherwise against those odds - he way he played it was literally the only way they were going to win games at all.

Butler wasn't even handling the ball a lot of the time, Herro and Nunn did that too. Robinson and Herro were both more reliable shooters than anyone the 2015 Cavs had, Crowder was a better stretch forward than anyone on the Cavs' roster, and Bam/Olynyk were both better offensive weapons than anyone Bron had.

And that's even before you get to 2015 Bron being guarded by a trio of All-Defensive Team guys in Iggy/Klay/Draymond while 2020 Butler was facing Kuzma, KCP, and Morris for serious stretches of games.

When literally everyone except fellow Bron-haters have a different narrative than you...it's probably the wrong narrative.

 

[Regular_P]

I know you're a long-time Bron hater, but come on now, 26-8-10 playing alongside Herro-Bam-Robinson-Crowder-Nunn-Olynyk is NOT the same as 36-13-9 alongside Delly-Shump-JR-TT-Mosgov. What made Bron's effort so incredible was that he had zero teammates who could run the offense, zero teammates who could score on their own, shyt for spacing with Mosgov/TT/Delly/Shump on the court....he had to make literally everything happen. His shooting %'s were shyt but there was no one who was going to do otherwise against those odds - he way he played it was literally the only way they were going to win games at all.

Butler wasn't even handling the ball a lot of the time, Herro and Nunn did that too. Robinson and Herro were both more reliable shooters than anyone the 2015 Cavs had, Crowder was a better stretch forward than anyone on the Cavs' roster, and Bam/Olynyk were both better offensive weapons than anyone Bron had.

And that's even before you get to 2015 Bron being guarded by a trio of All-Defensive Team guys in Iggy/Klay/Draymond while 2020 Butler was facing Kuzma, KCP, and Morris for serious stretches of games.

When literally everyone except fellow Bron-haters have a different narrative than you...it's probably the wrong narrative.

Let's look at the averages in the Finals for the guys you're trumpeting.

Herro - shot 37% in the Finals
Bam - played 4 games, the last three clearly hobbled and put up a bunch of garbage time stats in game six to boost his averages to 15/6...eerily similar to Mozzy's 14.5/7 in 2015.
Robinson - great three point shooter. Hit about 40/40% in the Finals.
Crowder - The same guy who got shipped out of Cleveland in 2018. You're not propping up his 33% three point shooting.
Nunn - Played well during most of his minutes.

The Heat only won the two games in which Jimmy put up all-time performances as well. Just because he didn't have close to the usage rate LeBron had in 2015 doesn't mean he wasn't the main driver of offense on Miami. You aren't that obtuse.

The reason the 2015 Finals was so close is because for all their offensive limitations, that team defended their asses off. Steph created everything for Golden State like LeBron was for Cleveland and Iguodala is the only guy who was consistently hitting shots. Klay shot 40/30% in that series; Dray was 38/26%; Barnes was 37/42% (32 two attempts to 19 threes).

Let's not even try to compare LeBron/AD as a duo vs. Steph/Iggy.

 

[Osmosis]

Um, there's been quite a bit of Jimmy criticism over the years. Who exactly has been singing his praises the past few years besides a handful of posters on here?

I'm talking about criticism for his performance in the finals. His performance is viewed as a positive for his legacy, Jimmy led a team to the finals and performed valiantly despite being undermanned. The 2015 finals, despite Lebron being in a comparable situation, is a net negative for Lebron's legacy. Many hold him losing as an underdog against him despite not having the horses to compete. Nobody holds Jimmy losing to the Lakers against him. So while you may think the praise for his performance was excessive he gets equal amount of hate for adding a finals loss to his record.

 

[HabitualChiller]

As a Lakers fan, going into the Finals I thought Miami was the best team they were gonna face and LA would win in six. I also thought the Lakers were the best team all season.

Having said that, Jimmy basically did what LeBron did in 2015 on much better shooting percentages but he isn't getting the same over the top praise. The 2015 Warriors only had one great player in Steph; this year's Lakers had two and both performed brilliantly.

Maybe because Bron had to go against much better defenders, while having much less support, while having back problems that whole season.

 

[Regular_P]

I'm talking about criticism for his performance in the finals. His performance is viewed as a positive for his legacy, Jimmy led a team to the finals and performed valiantly despite being undermanned. The 2015 finals, despite Lebron being in a comparable situation, is a net negative for Lebron's legacy. Many hold him losing as an underdog against him despite not having the horses to compete. Nobody holds Jimmy losing to the Lakers against him. So while you may think the praise for his performance was excessive he gets equal amount of hate for adding a finals loss to his record.

Man, stop this shyt. Nobody blames LeBron for losing in 2015. He almost won Finals MVP for godsakes.

 

[Osmosis]

Man, stop this shyt. Nobody blames LeBron for losing in 2015. He almost won Finals MVP for godsakes.

So you want to pretend like nikkas haven't been making 3-6 mafia jokes for years? That Warriors fans/Jordan stans/Kobe stans don't tout Curry's finals record against Lebron as a way to discredit Bron? Every finals loss that Lebron has on his resume is used as a way to discredit him. If you want to claim that the praise for his performance in 2015 was excessive you have to admit that his haters use that finals loss (and every other loss in the finals) as a way to disparage him. It happens on this very forum.. Just yesterday someone claimed Jordan would have won in 2015 if he was in Lebron's shoes.