Why does Lebron refuse to go to a ball movement-heavy offense?

[mastermind]

You are confused. I never suggested pre nba development didn't matter. In fact it matters greatly IMO.

Which is why I said Lebron has been playing this way since he was young. He never had to develop a good jumper, and still has not. My whole point is that its the type of player he is.

He won't run a motion style offense because he knows no other way. Durant could always catch and shoot, which is why he could fit in with GSW but even he had growing pains adjusting. So I do not care that Lebron has always had those type of coaches who did not instill a real offense, it would not have mattered.

 

[Lord_Chief_Rocka]

Yeah. I have a rule. I don't listen to white people not named Larry Bird talk about basketball.

 

[Karume]

Which is why I said Lebron has been playing this way since he was young. He never had to develop a good jumper, and still has not. My whole point is that its the type of player he is.

He won't run a motion style offense because he knows no other way. Durant could always catch and shoot, which is why he could fit in with GSW but even he had growing pains adjusting. So I do not care that Lebron has always had those type of coaches who did not instill a real offense, it would not have mattered.

My point is that LeBron played different in high school. His coaches had restrictions on things like him taking the ball up for example. He moved without the ball more than he did when he got in the nba.

 

[mastermind]

My point is that LeBron played different in high school. His coaches had restrictions on things like him taking the ball up for example. He moved without the ball more than he did when he got in the nba.

thats not true breh.

He was always the point guard.

 

[LV Koopa]

Which is why I said Lebron has been playing this way since he was young. He never had to develop a good jumper, and still has not. My whole point is that its the type of player he is.

He won't run a motion style offense because he knows no other way. Durant could always catch and shoot, which is why he could fit in with GSW but even he had growing pains adjusting. So I do not care that Lebron has always had those type of coaches who did not instill a real offense, it would not have mattered.

Lebron's jumper has been pretty lethal for a few years now

 

[mastermind]

Lebron's jumper has been pretty lethal for a few years now

his jumper is not lethal.

He doesn't take as many as he did when he was younger.

When he was winning MVPs in Cleveland, he was taking 1200 jumpers a season. He took under 1000 the last 3 years in Cleveland.

 

[SwagKingKong]

The whole point is consider why they have a GOAT level offense. It's beccause they focused so heavily on getting one dimensional shooters around Lebron that they punted on playmaking and on defense. Outside of Shumpert and Tristan if you couldn't shoot you couldn't play basically. That'll be damn near every other team but when you go up against a team with a GOAT level offense and defense chances are you'll come up short. If Cavs had more of a motion based offense then they could have a more diverse cast around Lebron and be more flexible in the types of lineups they can throw out there. Shaun Livingston and Iggy probably wouldn't get to see the court with these Cavs because they wouldn't see the ball enough to take advantage of their strengths with the ball in Lebron and Kyrie's hands so much which is exactly the type of players they need.

Well, the problem with this is there doesn't exist players to do this. Where and who would these imaginary players be? Cleveland worked with what they had and managed to get create this team. There are no guarantees that a motion based offense would mean better defenders btw, because again, who were these defenders that could shoot that they could've had? There aren't any players. They have maximized their talent level and did so offensively because frankly, offense is more important than defense. They ran into, possibly the greatest team ever assembled this year and lost. SHOCKER! Honestly, this is the best they could've done because they did not have the ability to sign Durant last year, which GSW due to a significant amount of luck (cap spike).

The complaints are ridiculous. They managed to create a team that had a GOAT-playoff offense and fell in 5 games vs Warriors (three of these games were actually competitive too). And they went 12-1 against the rest of the east in the playoffs. There are no problems with their team, they just happened to face the greatest team of all-time. They won against a 73 win team in the finals last year and y'all are complaining about the way they play and their offense

 

[Karume]

thats not true breh.

He was always the point guard.

Wrong, I watched several of his high school games. Yes he handled the ball at times but nowhere near what he does now

 

[LV Koopa]

his jumper is not lethal.

He doesn't take as many as he did when he was younger.

When he was winning MVPs in Cleveland, he was taking 1200 jumpers a season. He took under 1000 the last 3 years in Cleveland.

And he's a very good 3 pt shooter now. Telling me the total amount he's taking isn't speaking to the quality of his shot making. Just admit he can shoot now.

 

[mastermind]

Wrong, I watched several of his high school games. Yes he handled the ball at times but nowhere near what he does now

So he wasnt the point guard in high school?

And he's a very good 3 pt shooter now. Telling me the total amount he's taking isn't speaking to the quality of his shot making. Just admit he can shoot now.

he shoots about the same he shot since he moved to Miami.

Its improved, but Lebron is nowhere near a lethal shooter.

 

[Karume]

So he wasnt the point guard in high school?


he shoots about the same he shot since he moved to Miami.

Its improved, but Lebron is nowhere near a lethal shooter.

No he wasn't the pg, he as I said handled a lot but he wasn't actually the pg

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Which is why I said Lebron has been playing this way since he was young. He never had to develop a good jumper, and still has not. My whole point is that its the type of player he is.

From 2004-2011, Lebron averaged 33% from three. His best season was 35.1%

From 2012-2017, Lebron averaged 36% from three. Five out of six of those seasons, he was 35.4% or better, with his best at 40.6%.


That's an obvious improvement you can't deny. And you can't claim it's all on lower volume, because his best number ever for made threes/game is 1.7, and two of the three times he's hit that were since 2015.


Same goes for playoffs. Lebron's best playoff season ever for threes was....THIS year, at 41.1%.

Lebron's best season for made threes/game in the playoffs was....THIS year, at 2.4 a game.

Up until 2010, Lebron was a 30% three-point shooter in the playoffs. Since then he's averaged over 34% three-point shooting in the playoffs.



Same with midrange jumpers. From 2003-2010, Lebron was about a 32% shooter from 10-16 feet and a 37% shooter from 16-23 feet.

From 2011-2017, Lebron has been a 41% shooter from 10-16 feet and a 39% shooter from 16-23 feet.

In fact, Lebron's midrange averages from 2011-2015, when he was peaking, were BETTER than any four-year stretch in Kobe's entire career.



Again, same goes for playoffs. Lebron has averaged 40% from 16-23 in the playoffs since 2011, a number he had only hit ONCE before then.

Lebron shot 49% from 16-23 in this year's playoff run, tying his best ever.


49% on long twos and 41% on threes in an 18-game playoff run, and you claim that he "never developed a good jumper."

 

[Biscayne]

From 2004-2011, Lebron averaged 33% from three. His best season was 35.1%

From 2012-2017, Lebron averaged 36% from three. Five out of six of those seasons, he was 35.4% or better, with his best at 40.6%.


That's an obvious improvement you can't deny. And you can't claim it's all on lower volume, because his best number ever for made threes/game is 1.7, and two of the three times he's hit that were since 2015.


Same goes for playoffs. Lebron's best playoff season ever for threes was....THIS year, at 41.1%.

Lebron's best season for made threes/game in the playoffs was....THIS year, at 2.4 a game.

Up until 2010, Lebron was a 30% three-point shooter in the playoffs. Since then he's averaged over 34% three-point shooting in the playoffs.



Same with midrange jumpers. From 2003-2010, Lebron was about a 32% shooter from 10-16 feet and a 37% shooter from 16-23 feet.

From 2011-2017, Lebron has been a 41% shooter from 10-16 feet and a 39% shooter from 16-23 feet.

In fact, Lebron's midrange averages from 2011-2015, when he was peaking, were BETTER than any four-year stretch in Kobe's entire career.



Again, same goes for playoffs. Lebron has averaged 40% from 16-23 in the playoffs since 2011, a number he had only hit ONCE before then.

Lebron shot 49% from 16-23 in this year's playoff run, tying his best ever.


49% on long twos and 41% on threes in an 18-game playoff run, and you claim that he "never developed a good jumper."

LBJ's jumper was sick this year. I was beginning to think that his Miami year's were his best shooting years. I was wrong as hell....

 

[I.V.]

There are a lot of bad opinions in here.

 

[LV Koopa]

lol @ mastermind being exposed for making shyt up