Why Hakeem Olojuwon is UNDER-RATED.

[BigTyme Records]

Yeah, I agree with all those.

MJ-Kareem-Lebron are indisputable top-5.

Magic and Hakeem are my next two.

Duncan, Bird, Shaq, Wilt are in the next tier.

I don't know what to do with Russell.






Why do Kobe stans have no fukking clue what the word "unanimous" means.

You're the third one to royally screw it up on the boards.

Im torn on hakeem vs shaq tho hakeem hakeem was cleary a better defender and shaq was the more effective scorer i think shaq is better at his best dont know how you can have hakeem a teir ahead lol

 

[Swagnificent]

You dont even believe the bullshyt you spewing half the time, Mike would rape Kobe in every matchup.

I honestly believe Kobe has a higher ceiling or level he can get to than Jordan. MJ was more consistent obviously. But Kobe at his best could get to a level no other player in NBA history could match. 81 point game, 62 in 3, 50+ for 4 straight games, 40+ for 9 straight games, etc. All those explosions are evidence of this crazy level he could get to that Jordan simply couldn't match.

Using DBZ lingo, Jordan is like Goku while Kobe is like Gohan. Jordan/Goku has a higher base power level than Kobe/Gohan. But when Kobe gets hot, he's like angry Gohan, he has another level he can get to that allows him to surpass Jordan.

I'll take Kobe at his best over MJ at his best any day.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Im torn on hakeem vs shaq tho hakeem hakeem was cleary a better defender and shaq was the more effective scorer i think shaq is better at his best dont know how you can have hakeem a teir ahead lol

Hakeem was a much better defender.

Hakeem was a much better passer.

Hakeem was a more versatile scorer which made him just as good a scorer in the playoffs when it mattered.


Regular season: Shaq 23.7ppg on 58% shooting for career, 26-30ppg over his 10-season peak.
Regular season: Hakeem 21.8ppg on 51% shooting for career, 26-28ppg over his 4-season peak.

Shaq clearly has the advantage there, with a much longer peak leading to a high % (Hakeem was raw offensively when he came into the league).

But their peak was basically the same, it's just that Shaq's offensive peak was much longer.


Playoffs: Shaq 24.3ppg on 56% shooting for career
Playoffs: Hakeem 25.9ppg on 53% shooting for career

Those numbers are basically equally good.


So yeah, since Hakeem's scoring peak was just as good as Shaq's, and since he stepped it up in the playoffs to be just as good a playoff scorer than Shaq, and he was a more diverse scorer than Shaq, and since he's on another tier in terms of passing and ballhandling and defense compared to Shaq, I'm putting him above Shaq.

 

[who_better_than_me]

Hakeem is the slightly better player on both sides of the ball imo cleary a better scorer for his career hakeem had to go agisnt a better crop of centers also besides 02 and 03 duncan truly don't any all time elite seasons IMO hakeem has 3-4 seasons better than duncans best


Im not giving duncan extra credit cause he played on a great org to get more rings from 07- on duncan wasn't a superster hakeem was just a better plsyer

Not to mention Hakeem played center but was smaller and shorter than Duncan(while Duncan played pf). I hate when they call him the best pf of all time....Yao and Hakeem guarded Shaq in the playoffs. The entire time. When Shaq and Kobe were giving giving Duncan the beats during the three peat Duncan never guarded Shaq. He had twilight David Robinson and rasho nestorieufuk guard him. Clown David Robinson all you want but at least he primarily guarded Hakeem in those conference finals. Duncan made the move towards center as soon as Shaq got traded from the Lakers

 

[BigTyme Records]

Hakeem was a much better defender.

Hakeem was a much better passer.

Hakeem was a more versatile scorer which made him just as good a scorer in the playoffs when it mattered.


Regular season: Shaq 23.7ppg on 58% shooting for career, 26-30ppg over his 10-season peak.
Regular season: Hakeem 21.8ppg on 51% shooting for career, 26-28ppg over his 4-season peak.

Shaq clearly has the advantage there, with a much longer peak leading to a high % (Hakeem was raw offensively when he came into the league).

But their peak was basically the same, it's just that Shaq's offensive peak was much longer.


Playoffs: Shaq 24.3ppg on 56% shooting for career
Playoffs: Hakeem 25.9ppg on 53% shooting for career

Those numbers are basically equally good.


So yeah, since Hakeem's scoring peak was just as good as Shaq's, and since he stepped it up in the playoffs to be just as good a playoff scorer than Shaq, and he was a more diverse scorer than Shaq, and since he's on another tier in terms of passing and ballhandling and defense compared to Shaq, I'm putting him above Shaq.

Yeah they pretty close impact wise. I'd at least put them in the same tier

 

[BigTyme Records]

Not to mention Hakeem played center but was smaller and shorter than Duncan(while Duncan played pf). I hate when they call him the best pf of all time....Yao and Hakeem guarded Shaq in the playoffs. The entire time. When Shaq and Kobe were giving giving Duncan the beats during the three peat Duncan never guarded Shaq. He had twilight David Robinson and rasho nestorieufuk guard him. Clown David Robinson all you want but at least he primarily guarded Hakeem in those conference finals. Duncan made the move towards center as soon as Shaq got traded from the Lakers

good shyt...him being a PF improves his all time ranking. Slide him over to center and there are multiple centers better than duncan ever was lol

 

[malbaker86]

Hakeem is the slightly better player on both sides of the ball imo cleary a better scorer for his career hakeem had to go agisnt a better crop of centers also besides 02 and 03 duncan truly don't any all time elite seasons IMO hakeem has 3-4 seasons better than duncans best


Im not giving duncan extra credit cause he played on a great org to get more rings from 07- on duncan wasn't a superster hakeem was just a better plsyer

Duncan could put up 30ish if he wanted to. He never had as many FGA per game as high as Dream's.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

I honestly believe Kobe has a higher ceiling or level he can get to than Jordan. MJ was more consistent obviously. But Kobe at his best could get to a level no other player in NBA history could match. 81 point game, 62 in 3, 50+ for 4 straight games, 40+ for 9 straight games, etc. All those explosions are evidence of this crazy level he could get to that Jordan simply couldn't match.

Using DBZ lingo, Jordan is like Goku while Kobe is like Gohan. Jordan/Goku has a higher base power level than Kobe/Gohan. But when Kobe gets hot, he's like angry Gohan, he has another level he can get to that allows him to surpass Jordan.

I'll take Kobe at his best over MJ at his best any day.

Why do all you Kobestans seem to think that regular season games against shyt defenses when everyone giving an 80% effort are the "highest level" of basketball?

If a player has a "highest level" they can reach, they do that in the playoffs. They do it in elimination games. They do it against the best defenses and when their team is outmatched. They do it in the Finals.

Not against shyt defenses in some regular season game that players and coaches only half care about.

 

[Remote]

Hakeem sneaks in at the back end of the Top 10 all-time players.
I think it's unfair to take his game, imagine what it might be in this era, and use that as some kind of basis to inflate his greatness.

 

[Swagnificent]

Why do all you Kobestans seem to think that regular season games against shyt defenses when everyone giving an 80% effort are the "highest level" of basketball?

If a player has a "highest level" they can reach, they do that in the playoffs. They do it in elimination games. They do it against the best defenses and when their team is outmatched. They do it in the Finals.

Not against shyt defenses in some regular season game that players and coaches only half care about.

Kobe's had a lot of great playoff performances but unfortunately he never got the chance to show it during his absolute prime. That was during the Smush Parker/Kwame Brown era.

Kobe's had a weird career. During the start when most guys are on bad teams and put up big stats, he was on a good team and had to share the ball with another dominant scorer in Shaq. Then in the middle of his career at his peak, he was on bad teams putting up big numbers but not advancing in the playoffs. Then near the end of his prime he finally got a good supporting cast post-Shaq and won chips but he really wasn't at his very best anymore. We never got to see ABSOLUTE PEAK Kobe in the NBA finals or deep in the playoffs.

And for the record, the only reason Kobe didn't put up huge numbers against the Suns in 2006 is because the team's strategy was to slow the game down and pound it down low to Kwame Brown and Lamar Odom. Kobe averaged over 40ppg that year in the regular season against Phoenix but the Lakers got blown out in every game by 20+ points. Unlike LeBron who is all about his numbers, Kobe put his numbers aside and let the offense run through Kwame Brown and Lamar Odom in the post. And the Lakers nearly pulled off a stunning upset. If Kobe was selfish and only cared about his numbers, he could have averaged 50 ppg that year in the playoffs against the Suns but the Lakers would have been swept. In fact, in the only game that he scored 50 in that series, the Lakers lost.

 

[Raw Lyrics]

Duncan has more MVPS, FMVPs, more playoff appearances, more All Star selections, more All-NBA first team and total selections, more all defensive first teams, and was better for longer.

Hakeem's Prime was better but consistency and longevity matters.

Duncan has also played with at least two hall of famers for 95% of his career, whereas Olajuwon has only played with a Hall of famer during the beginning and the towards the end of his career,

Finals MVP results greatly from the organization, you can't have shot at it unless your team is good enough.

Lets examine the numbers:

Olajuwon was the better offensive player than Duncan, finishing with 26946 career points to Duncan's 26496, despite Duncan playing two more years than Hakeem.

Hakeem also finished with a better FG% than Duncan (51% to 50%) despite being more of an offensive focal point throughout more of his career,

Olajuwon also edges out Duncan in rebounds averaging 11.1 to Duncan's 10.8. Duncan's rebounding total is higher, but that's because he played two more years, Hakeem was more than capable of sticking around two, three more years.

On Defense, Hakeem absolutely destroys Duncan, finishing with 3,830 blocks - best ever (since blocked shots were being recorded) that's good for 3.1bpg to Duncan's 2.2 blocks per game, good for 19th place in NBA history. Duncan finished with 3020 blocks despite playing almost 210 more games.

Olajuwon doubles Duncan in the steals category with Olajuwon finishing with 2162 career steals to Duncan's 1025 total steals, so he probably had better hands playing the defense below the waist. Again Duncan played 200+ more games than OIajuwon.

Hakeem was a better FT shooter, 71% to Duncan's 69%.

Duncan's beats out Hakeem in assists 3.0 to Hakeem's 2.5, which I believe had more to do with Duncan being surrounded by better players than Olajuwon for a longer period of time.

Hakeem was also ranked number 1 in defensive rating 5 different seasons (86-87, 87-88, 88-89, 89-90, 90-91), Duncan came number 1 in 4 different season, despite playing more seasons (04-05, 05-06, 06-07, 12-13).

Overall Hakeem was better offensively, defensively, on the boards, better shooting touch, better footwork. Duncan had the advantage of playing for a better organization. Switch roles and it's not hard to imagine Hakeem winning 5 titles with the Spurs.

 

[hashmander]

my favorite player, so he isn't underrated by me.

 

[BigTyme Records]

Duncan has also played with at least two hall of famers for 95% of his career, whereas Olajuwon has only played with a Hall of famer during the beginning and the towards the end of his career,

Finals MVP results greatly from the organization, you can't have shot at it unless your team is good enough.

Lets examine the numbers:

Olajuwon was the better offensive player than Duncan, finishing with 26946 career points to Duncan's 26496, despite Duncan playing two more years than Hakeem.

Hakeem also finished with a better FG% than Duncan (51% to 50%) despite being more of an offensive focal point throughout more of his career,

Olajuwon also edges out Duncan in rebounds averaging 11.1 to Duncan's 10.8. Duncan's rebounding total is higher, but that's because he played two more years, Hakeem was more than capable of sticking around two, three more years.

On Defense, Hakeem absolutely destroys Duncan, finishing with 3,830 blocks - best ever (since blocked shots were being recorded) that's good for 3.1bpg to Duncan's 2.2 blocks per game, good for 19th place in NBA history. Duncan finished with 3020 blocks despite playing almost 210 more games.

Olajuwon doubles Duncan in the steals category with Olajuwon finishing with 2162 career steals to Duncan's 1025 total steals, so he probably had better hands playing the defense below the waist. Again Duncan played 200+ more games than OIajuwon.

Hakeem was a better FT shooter, 71% to Duncan's 69%.

Duncan's beats out Hakeem in assists 3.0 to Hakeem's 2.5, which I believe had more to do with Duncan being surrounded by better players than Olajuwon for a longer period of time.

Hakeem was also ranked number 1 in defensive rating 5 different seasons (86-87, 87-88, 88-89, 89-90, 90-91), Duncan came number 1 in 4 different season, despite playing more seasons (04-05, 05-06, 06-07, 12-13).

Overall Hakeem was better offensively, defensively, on the boards, better shooting touch, better footwork. Duncan had the advantage of playing for a better organization. Switch roles and it's not hard to imagine Hakeem winning 5 titles with the Spurs.

yessir

 

[AlbertPullhoez]

Duncan has also played with at least two hall of famers for 95% of his career, whereas Olajuwon has only played with a Hall of famer during the beginning and the towards the end of his career,

Finals MVP results greatly from the organization, you can't have shot at it unless your team is good enough.

Lets examine the numbers:

Olajuwon was the better offensive player than Duncan, finishing with 26946 career points to Duncan's 26496, despite Duncan playing two more years than Hakeem.

Hakeem also finished with a better FG% than Duncan (51% to 50%) despite being more of an offensive focal point throughout more of his career,

Olajuwon also edges out Duncan in rebounds averaging 11.1 to Duncan's 10.8. Duncan's rebounding total is higher, but that's because he played two more years, Hakeem was more than capable of sticking around two, three more years.

On Defense, Hakeem absolutely destroys Duncan, finishing with 3,830 blocks - best ever (since blocked shots were being recorded) that's good for 3.1bpg to Duncan's 2.2 blocks per game, good for 19th place in NBA history. Duncan finished with 3020 blocks despite playing almost 210 more games.

Olajuwon doubles Duncan in the steals category with Olajuwon finishing with 2162 career steals to Duncan's 1025 total steals, so he probably had better hands playing the defense below the waist. Again Duncan played 200+ more games than OIajuwon.

Hakeem was a better FT shooter, 71% to Duncan's 69%.

Duncan's beats out Hakeem in assists 3.0 to Hakeem's 2.5, which I believe had more to do with Duncan being surrounded by better players than Olajuwon for a longer period of time.

Hakeem was also ranked number 1 in defensive rating 5 different seasons (86-87, 87-88, 88-89, 89-90, 90-91), Duncan came number 1 in 4 different season, despite playing more seasons (04-05, 05-06, 06-07, 12-13).

Overall Hakeem was better offensively, defensively, on the boards, better shooting touch, better footwork. Duncan had the advantage of playing for a better organization. Switch roles and it's not hard to imagine Hakeem winning 5 titles with the Spurs.

Hakeem wins 5 titles yet he barely stole 2 and his teams did jack shyt annually besides 94 and 95 seasons

MJ retirement did wonders for Hakeem careee

 

[AlbertPullhoez]

Not to mention Hakeem played center but was smaller and shorter than Duncan(while Duncan played pf). I hate when they call him the best pf of all time....Yao and Hakeem guarded Shaq in the playoffs. The entire time. When Shaq and Kobe were giving giving Duncan the beats during the three peat Duncan never guarded Shaq. He had twilight David Robinson and rasho nestorieufuk guard him. Clown David Robinson all you want but at least he primarily guarded Hakeem in those conference finals. Duncan made the move towards center as soon as Shaq got traded from the Lakers

Negged for lying