Why is america still so religious?

[IVS]

I ain't the most religious person but the black community was much more tight knit when the church was at the center

I'lll say it was much more tight knit when the black community utilized the church as the community center\town hall\ assembly it was supposed to be. The ekklesia was never a place people went to talk about "The Bible" or hear sermons about the lives of Hebrew rabbis\revi\ravi (lords) and it had no attachment to God or Jesus.

A group of men, with their literature and doctrine have infiltrated and corrupted the ekklesia system, and in doing so have corrupted government and injected a foreign ideology into the minds of the people. And it ultimately has resulted in the brainwashing of large generations of people, and altered the past. Also these same priestcraft infiltrated and subverted the Roman basilica system as well.

Hence now our ekklesias and basilicas are called churches. So we should be asking who invaded and/or waged war the Hellenic world, and caused all this confusion.

 

[Kairi Irving]

America doesn't even believe in God brehs.

 

[Lamar Givens]

Same cats crying about America being too religious are the same hypocrites demanding the church open their doors for the poor, displaced, widow, and orphan.



Nykkas and they hypocrisy. You've got to love it!

 

[kevm3]

E atheists stay blaming Christianity and blaming a God they don't believe in for their own life's failures.

 

[Guru]

Anyways as an outsider the US seems similar to some muslim countries always talking about God/"morality"/decency" and all that. Europe has moved away (generally speaking) from religion because we've had centuries of wars (not attacks or battles, WARS) fought over religion, terrible Inquisition years, scientists/minorities/women being tortured/exiled/killed because of religion, etc. Ironically some current White Americans are probably descendents of euro religious refugees. Also there have been various revolutions in Europe, and many have meant going against whoever was in power AND the church, who was always working hand in hand with the former.

So with all that I guess most Euros have in mind the dangers of having religion at the forefront and meddling with power, we've seen enough in a sense. US is just much younger than Euro countries, and in a totally different geographical/historical context (which is why comparing both rarely works).

Bingo!

I don't think america will go through what europe had to in order to disband religion culturally but something's got to give

What do you think?

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

Europe has moved away (generally speaking) from religion because we've had centuries of wars (not attacks or battles, WARS) fought over religion, terrible Inquisition years, scientists/minorities/women being tortured/exiled/killed because of religion, etc. Ironically some current White Americans are probably descendents of euro religious refugees

Centuries of Wars?

You should be able to name at least 10....... .

 

[Menelik II]

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Quantify "religious" first and foremost... People say that since there are a lot of churches in the states, that America must be religious, which is asinine

it is a pew survey/questionaire, and they grade their religiousity based off that.

 

[EndDomination]

and yet that religious unit upset reconstruction and Jim Crow....... aint seen nothing similar since..... I wonder why?

That's only 1/4 of the story.
A strong coalition of religious leaders, massive pressure from the Soviet Union, far-Left groups, the BPP, an ally ship of pink and red states in the Western Hemisphere, and subsequent Black movements in other states upset reconstruction and Jim Crow.
I'm not here for historical revisionism.
And nothing since because the legal barriers are far deeper buried that explicit "no coloreds" laws.

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

That's only 1/4 of the story.

Its more like 90% of the story...... and you really gon bring up the Cold War in regards to this? and far left groups played a minor role at best... aint no revision over here

Bottom line.... spiritual leaders sparked, powered it, and saw it through as long as they were living..... and that pretty much applies to any revolt or movement in regards to the slave trade and beyond....

Marcus
Nat
Toussaint
MLK
X

all were spiritual

 

[mbewane]

Bingo!

I don't think america will go through what europe had to in order to disband religion culturally but something's got to give

What do you think?

I doubt it, because like I said the geographical and historical contexts are EXTREMELY different. There's really no reason we should be comparing Europe to the US honestly, except for the fact that Americans mostly come from Europe, are majority white, and are rich (as countries). US is one majority language, religion, way of life, much more homogeneous that Europe ever was imo.

Centuries of Wars?

You should be able to name at least 10....... .

This is just the main show : European wars of religion - Wikipedia

As you can see death estimates go from about 7 million to about 16. That's one century. To that you add the killings of Christians in the early stages, century-long discrimination (and killing) of Jews, Muslim inavsion of the Iberian peninsula, ensuing Reconquista, all the wars the Pope waged (yes the Pope) in current Italy, obviously the Crusades, wars against the Ottomans. And then we get to the Inquisition part, and the general religious obscurantism that led to killing minorities, scientists (aka "heretics") women ("witches"), etc.

Edit : And one could throw the Holocaust in that, since Jews were killed because they were Jews (a long Euro tradition), as well as the Genocide of Muslims during the Yougoslav War in the 90s.

 

[Guru]

R

I doubt it, because like I said the geographical and historical contexts are EXTREMELY different. There's really no reason we should be comparing Europe to the US honestly, except for the fact that Americans mostly come from Europe, are majority white, and are rich (as countries). US is one majority language, religion, way of life, much more homogeneous that Europe ever was imo.



This is just the main show : European wars of religion - Wikipedia

As you can see death estimates go from about 7 million to about 16. That's one century. To that you add the killings of Christians in the early stages, century-long discrimination (and killing) of Jews, Muslim inavsion of the Iberian peninsula, ensuing Reconquista, all the wars the Pope waged (yes the Pope) in current Italy, obviously the Crusades, wars against the Ottomans. And then we get to the Inquisition part, and the general religious obscurantism that led to killing minorities, scientists (aka "heretics") women ("witches"), etc.

Edit : And one could throw the Holocaust in that, since Jews were killed because they were Jews (a long Euro tradition), as well as the Genocide of Muslims during the Yougoslav War in the 90s.

I see. I understand that the circumstances are different but what in your opinion do you think is going to be the "thing" that disbands religion culturally in America? It's not gonna happen in our lifetime but future wise maybe another 2 or 3 centuries?

Hate this overly religious place man

 

[Guru]

And they're the home of the enlightenment...so....

What do you mean by this?

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

I doubt it, because like I said the geographical and historical contexts are EXTREMELY different. There's really no reason we should be comparing Europe to the US honestly, except for the fact that Americans mostly come from Europe, are majority white, and are rich (as countries). US is one majority language, religion, way of life, much more homogeneous that Europe ever was imo.



This is just the main show : European wars of religion - Wikipedia

As you can see death estimates go from about 7 million to about 16. That's one century. To that you add the killings of Christians in the early stages, century-long discrimination (and killing) of Jews, Muslim inavsion of the Iberian peninsula, ensuing Reconquista, all the wars the Pope waged (yes the Pope) in current Italy, obviously the Crusades, wars against the Ottomans. And then we get to the Inquisition part, and the general religious obscurantism that led to killing minorities, scientists (aka "heretics") women ("witches"), etc.

Edit : And one could throw the Holocaust in that, since Jews were killed because they were Jews (a long Euro tradition), as well as the Genocide of Muslims during the Yougoslav War in the 90s.

So you didn't read the article.... and the fact you're adding the holocaust.....

This type of logic allows you to say that the War in Iraq is a war of religion..... when that would be blatantly false....

 

[mbewane]

R


I see. I understand that the circumstances are different but what in your opinion do you think is going to be the "thing" that disbands religion culturally in America? It's not gonna happen in our lifetime but future wise maybe another 2 or 3 centuries?

Hate this overly religious place man

There's really no saying, because the official founding myth of the US goes hand in hand with protestantism ("Manifest destiny", the idea of being "chosen ones", all of that bs) so who knows. Also contrary to most advanced countries religion is not clearly separated from the state (if at all) and from I see the most "religious" ones coincide with the most hell-bent on keeping their guns, so good luck going against their "values" and whatnot.

So you didn't read the article.... and the fact you're adding the holocaust.....

This type of logic allows you to say that the War in Iraq is a war of religion..... when that would be blatantly false....

You asked for examples of wars based on religion in Europe, I gave you that. Plus all the other instances in which religion was used to kill people massively. It makes no sense whatsoever comparing the US invasion of Iraq to anything I listed (despite the Bush talking about a "crusade against terrorism" himself). And yes the genocide of Jews was because they were Jews, that was the whole point. Do you even know anything about Europe? You did hear about the Muslim invasion of the Iberian peninsula, the Reconquista, the Inquisition, the genocide of Bosnian muslims...right?

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

There's really no saying, because the official founding myth of the US goes hand in hand with protestantism ("Manifest destiny", the idea of being "chosen ones", all of that bs) so who knows. Also contrary to most advanced countries religion is not clearly separated from the state (if at all) and from I see the most "religious" ones coincide with the most hell-bent on keeping their guns, so good luck going against their "values" and whatnot.



You asked for examples of wars based on religion in Europe, I gave you that. Plus all the other instances in which religion was used to kill people massively. It makes no sense whatsoever comparing the US invasion of Iraq to anything I listed (despite the Bush talking about a "crusade against terrorism" himself). And yes the genocide of Jews was because they were Jews, that was the whole point. Do you even know anything about Europe? You did hear about the Muslim invasion of the Iberian peninsula, the Reconquista, the Inquisition, the genocide of Bosnian muslims...right?

You gave me weak examples without any context.... and the holocaust was not fought over religion.... What religion did the Nazis follow..... Hitler targeted Jew because he was a maniac that felt that Jews caused the collapsed of the economy and helped sparked the Russian Revolution... not simply because they were Jewish.....