Why is ESPN still dikkriding Jordan after all these years?

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saw MJ's last 2 years and I don't think he's on another level from dudes like Shaq, Kobe, and LeBron

all 3 players were IMO more dominant than what I saw from MJ in 97 and 98

Really? Cause Jordan team swept the Dominant Shaq's team out of the playoff.

And when Shaq went to the Lakers, the Bulls were beating the Western Conference champs (who also beat Shaq's Laker team).
 

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Dog....it was a horrible business model because that was short money.

They lost fans after MJ left. Sports is about sustaining and getting that long money.

Short money is rivalries that retire with the players involved.

Short money is when fans leave after you do a poor job of diversifying interest into other products.

The NBA is just now getting back on its feet.

It was a shytty model compared to the NFL and MLB.

It was a short sighted business model that was extremely profitable. They milked the golden goose for all it was worth and they will continue to do so. The NBA marketed individuals and revenue as well as profitability increased, I can't fault them for that.

Naw I'm a basketball junkie period...I actually pay to go to Wizards games lol...I would watch it anytime anywhere because I love it...

I'm just explaining why the casual fan that now watches the NFL religiously left the game....

The business model isn't broken...You can't come up with a bottomline plan to combact racism...


Give the NBA 10 Larry Birds and all of a sudden everyone looks a lot smarter
The NFL's business model is the most important and popular position is dominated by white guys.. It's not rocket science...

If the NBA gets true bonafide American born white players I guarantee you it would become the number one sport.
 

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shytty teams were always a part of NBA history bruh, they weren't introduced upon Magic's retirement.

Let's be real, Lakers and Celtics combine for half the NBA champions in NBA history.


Dog....there was a combination of the greatest expansion the NBA ever seen during MJs era creating more bad teams and spreading the talent pool ALONG with the new rules of Free Agency which split apart most good teams from becoming great.

Let's not act like MJ wasn't fortunate that Scottie opted to take $2 million a year to remain a Bull.
 

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Dog....there was a combination of the greatest expansion the NBA ever seen during MJs era creating more bad teams and spreading the talent pool ALONG with the new rules of Free Agency which split apart most good teams from becoming great.

Let's not act like MJ wasn't fortunate that Scottie opted to take $2 million a year to remain a Bull.

You said the NBA lost fans after MJ left, well most of them were casual fans who watched because of MJ to begin with.
 

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It was a short sighted business model that was extremely profitable. They milked the golden goose for all it was worth and they will continue to do so. The NBA marketed individuals and revenue as well as profitability increased, I can't fault them for that.


They didn't market players. They marketed Jordan. And the league took a huge hit after he left.

Here's an article from Askmen.com that some dude STOLE from a post I wrote on sohh back in 2002.

The NBA After Jordan: Is There Hope? - AskMen

In the 1980s and 1990s, the NBA was the fastest growing league. The average franchise value jumped from $15 million to $300 million, and revenue increased from $10 million to more than $3 billion. TV revenue alone skyrocketed from $19 million in 1980, to around $765 million for 2004.

Unfortunately for the NBA, the league misunderstood this tremendous growth. The swell in ratings and revenue was due to Jordan... not the game of basketball.

Golf is experiencing a similar situation with Tiger Woods, whose appeal transcends the sport itself. Golf's recent growth across all demographics is due to Tiger. And if he leaves... so will many of the new fans.

The league needs to be prepared for a drop in growth as the sport adjusts to its average fan base without Michael Jordan. Overseas broadcasts increased from just 35 per week to 175 foreign broadcasts in 40 languages during the Jordan era.

And Fortune magazine estimated in 1998 that Jordan alone was responsible for $10 billion in increased ticket sales, ad revenue, and merchandising profits between 1984 and 1998. Those numbers will be hard, if not impossible, to replicate.


My point is about caring about the NBA and basketball with my posts. It hurt the NBA.
 

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Dog....it was a horrible business model because that was short money.

They lost fans after MJ left. Sports is about sustaining and getting that long money.

Short money is rivalries that retire with the players involved.

Short money is when fans leave after you do a poor job of diversifying interest into other products.

The NBA is just now getting back on its feet.

It was a shytty model compared to the NFL and MLB.


:whoa:]

Slow down....Jordan made the Gasols, Ginobolis, Parkers, Dirk's of the world wanna pick up a basketball. Coming back around....to not expect a drop-off after seeing 1 man spectacularly dominate a decade of basketball is illogical.
 

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:whoa:]

Slow down....Jordan made the Gasols, Ginobolis, Parkers, Dirk's of the world wanna pick up a basketball. Coming back around....to not expect a drop-off after seeing 1 man spectacularly dominate a decade of basketball is illogical.

Dog....there's been a huge dropoff in VIEWERSHIP.

That has nothing to do with the impact we all know MJ left on other players.

We're talking business breh.....
 

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Yeah stupid sh1t like fair minority hiring practices lol... What about the NFL and the blatant racism surrounding its most popular and important position (QB)? Or the fact that a decent chunk of their ex players are taking them to court..At the end of the day it kinda makes Nike jerseys seem irrelavant in the big scheme of things...You really mad at Mike for getting money and forcing the leagues hand? You think that was stupid?

I can write a book on the stupid and downright criminal sh1t the NFL is on...


And about the exodus of casual fans...


You think its Jordan's fault that after he left the game it fell into the hands of a bunch of cornroll rockin, tatted up, weed smoking, wannabee rap n1ggas that ran into the crowd and beat up fans?

:laugh:

It's Jordan's fault that the most talented heir apparent was going through an identity crisis, didn't know how to be himself and was pretty much a Michael "mini-me" all the way down to his body language and voice inflections?

It's Jordan's fault that the grand exodus of 1 and dones and high school players turned the league into a glorified farm league for almost a decade..And their was no channel for decent player devolopement on or off the court?


Like I said it was a perfect storm of fukkery that just happened to coincide with his retirement..



It wasn't that the NBA stopped promoting individual players... They just weren't as talented, charismatic or likeable in the years after Mike retired...


And that pendulum is starting to swing back around.. Just turn on the TV...


Comuthafukinsign!

Certain posters are gonna ignore your reference to younger players fukkin up the dough.

:salute:
 

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Dog...I love basketball just as much as you do.

The point is, the NBA expects you to keep pace with changing faces while MLB/NFL expects you to keep pace with stable "teams."

Where's the longer and more consistent money? You know I'm right.....

And my point is that it's easier to sell team over talent when everyone in authority positions on and off the field looks like middle America... Add that to the fact that everyone is basically on a 1 year contract and the fans can scream "he's a bum he sucks" and his 5 year 60 million dollar contract can be ripped up.. That's a jealous white guys wet dream...The NBA doesn't operate like that..So fans resent that...
 

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And my point is that it's easier to sell team over talent when everyone in authority positions on and off the field looks like middle America... Add that to the fact that everyone is basically on a 1 year contract and the fans can scream "he's a bum he sucks" and his 5 year 60 million dollar contract can be ripped up.. That's a jealous white guys wet dream...The NBA doesn't operate like that..So fans resent that...


You think most people know who Joe Flacco if he walked down the street?

You keep making the NBA a victim of cism rather than a shytty business model.

Like I said earlier...my homegirl put together their HR department less than a decade ago.

That's horrible....
 

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Dog....there was a combination of the greatest expansion the NBA ever seen during MJs era creating more bad teams and spreading the talent pool ALONG with the new rules of Free Agency which split apart most good teams from becoming great.

Let's not act like MJ wasn't fortunate that Scottie opted to take $2 million a year to remain a Bull.

Jordan was only making anywhere between 2-4 million in the same time period.

The big contracts didn't come until cat's like Garnett and Juwon Howard signed big money contracts in the late 90s
 

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Jordan was only making anywhere between 2-4 million in the same time period.

The big contracts didn't come until cat's like Garnett and Juwon Howard signed big money contracts in the late 90s


And Jordan threatened to leave the Bulls as well. Most teams would have split up. The Bulls were fortunate that MJ was getting cake outside of what they paid him and that Scottie took that shytty contract.

That would have tore apart most teams.
 

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They didn't market players. They marketed Jordan. And the league took a huge hit after he left.

Here's an article from Askmen.com that some dude STOLE from a post I wrote on sohh back in 2002.

The NBA After Jordan: Is There Hope? - AskMen

In the 1980s and 1990s, the NBA was the fastest growing league. The average franchise value jumped from $15 million to $300 million, and revenue increased from $10 million to more than $3 billion. TV revenue alone skyrocketed from $19 million in 1980, to around $765 million for 2004.

Unfortunately for the NBA, the league misunderstood this tremendous growth. The swell in ratings and revenue was due to Jordan... not the game of basketball.

Golf is experiencing a similar situation with Tiger Woods, whose appeal transcends the sport itself. Golf's recent growth across all demographics is due to Tiger. And if he leaves... so will many of the new fans.

The league needs to be prepared for a drop in growth as the sport adjusts to its average fan base without Michael Jordan. Overseas broadcasts increased from just 35 per week to 175 foreign broadcasts in 40 languages during the Jordan era.

And Fortune magazine estimated in 1998 that Jordan alone was responsible for $10 billion in increased ticket sales, ad revenue, and merchandising profits between 1984 and 1998. Those numbers will be hard, if not impossible, to replicate.


My point is about caring about the NBA and basketball with my posts. It hurt the NBA.

Now I see how you coliseum nikkas be having 2G and up posts from all this back and forth. :whew: The NBA marketed individuals with the emphasis being on Jordan. So it was Jordan vs Drexler, Barkley,Malone,etc. That article helps my point, how can it be a bad business model if it helps you increase your profits by that high a margin. Those casual fans were going to leave eventually. MJ got them to the dance and they left with him.
 

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Now I see how you coliseum nikkas be having 2G and up posts from all this back and forth. :whew: The NBA marketed individuals with the emphasis being on Jordan. So it was Jordan vs Drexler, Barkley,Malone,etc. That article helps my point, how can it be a bad business model if it helps you increase your profits by that high a margin. Those casual fans were going to leave eventually. MJ got them to the dance and they left with him.


But it opened them to loses and having to put the genie back in the bottle.

Did you not see how the results of "the next MJ" hurt the players involved?

People operate business for the return customer. That's LONG money. Not fly by night "casual" interest.
 

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