Why is Jesus blasphemed but no other religion's figure is?

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Which Islamic sect has the true message? Sunni? Shia? Ahmadiyya? Suffi? etc...
Your prophet said out of the 73 sects only 1 will go to jannah. Which sect is it?

Ahmadiya are Muslims? Lol what? According to whom? You don't know what you're talking about.

They are as much of a Muslim as a Christian who does not uphold the Laws as Jesus peace be upon him said in your Greek authored books:

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them."

Why do you Christians not uphold the laws as it was commanded to you?

As for throwing in Ahmadiya, they have even less credibility then Matthew John and Luke.
No one in the Islamic world considers that minority of deviants Muslims.

This is more brain dead Christian missionary nonsense which you picked up from elsewhere.

The only two major schools of thoughts that have huge confliction between them are Sunni and Shia and they both agree on the Quran as a preserved text.

And it is only through the mercy of God that we believe that we will be entered into Heaven.

Jesus was a Middle Eastern man from downtown Palestine, he fasted, honored his mother, prostrated, gave charity forbade interest, and asked his people to worship the one and only God and when he addressed his God he called out to him in his native tongue of Aramaic as Allaha.

I wonder which people on Earth does this figure have a whole lot of common with today?

 

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Ahmadiya are Muslims? Lol what? According to whom? You don't know what you're talking about.

They are as much of a Muslim as a Christian who does not uphold the Laws as Jesus peace be upon him said in your Greek authored books:
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them."

Why do you Christians not uphold the laws as it was commanded to you?

This is more brain dead Christian missionary nonsense which you picked up from elsewhere.

The only two schools of thoughts are Sunni and Shia and they both agree on the Quran as a preserved text.
And it is only through the mercy of God that we believe that we will be entered into Heaven.

LOL Ahmadiya.

if the Quran is a preserved text how come no one has produced the verse eaten by sheep? Which included the verse of grown women giving their breasts to men to suck?

It was narrated that 'Aishah said:
“The Verse of stoning and of breastfeeding an adult ten times was revealed1, and the paper was with me under my pillow. When the Messenger of Allah died, we were preoccupied with his death, and a tame sheep came in and ate it.”

Sunan Ibn Majah 1944 - The Chapters on Marriage - كتاب النكاح - Sunnah.com - Sayings and Teachings of Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه و سلم)

Hadith of the Prophet Muhammad (saws) in English and Arabic

sunnah.com

Also since you have decleared that that only Sunni's and Shia's are Muslim then you do know that means Muslims are less than1 billion if the other sects are not included?

 

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if the Quran is a preserved text how come no one has produced the verse eaten by sheep? Which included the verse of grown women giving their breasts to men to suck?

It was narrated that 'Aishah said:
“The Verse of stoning and of breastfeeding an adult ten times was revealed1, and the paper was with me under my pillow. When the Messenger of Allah died, we were preoccupied with his death, and a tame sheep came in and ate it.”

Sunan Ibn Majah 1944 - The Chapters on Marriage - كتاب النكاح - Sunnah.com - Sayings and Teachings of Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه و سلم)

Hadith of the Prophet Muhammad (saws) in English and Arabic

sunnah.com

Also since you have decleared that that only Sunni's and Shia's are Muslim then you do know that means Muslims are less than1 billion if the other sects are not included?

Look I'm going to be respectful to you because you don't know what you're talking about and someone is brainwashing you with missionary nonsense but I'll dignify it.

The Quran has been carbon dated by secularist westerners sitting in a Museum in England to the time of the Prophet Muhammad.

There is not a single Muslim on Earth that will differ with another Muslim about the Quran, they will agree the Quran has 114 chapters including the Shias. Including every other denomination in Islam.

Our understanding differs on certain things which are not from the five pillars of Islam. The five pillars are the core of Islam, every Muslim will tell you God is ONE, pray 5 times a day, give charity, go for pilgrimage, and to fast in the month of Ramadan.

Now what you guys differ in is even the book, that you laughably hold onto as the word of God, something as basic as that.

By the way what is the language of Jesus when he preached? (Peace be upon him)

Do you have any bibles in Aramaic?
All of your surviving manuscripts are in Greek which no two are the same and are CENTURIES after Jesus leaving Earth.
You have lost the language let alone the number of number of books.

Everything you have which is your primary source of information has been lost.
What you have are Greek authored books which have been written by unknown authors centuries after Jesus.

Now contrast this to the Quran. The Quran came in Arabic we still have it in Arabic. We have the early manuscripts of the Quran and the primary source of propogation has been oral.
Muslims from Ethiopia, to Uganda, New Zealand, Nigeria, Saudi Arabia, anywhere from around the world, they will be reading the Quran with not an iota of difference memorized orally that in itself is a miracle.

So we have the oral tradition alive, the written, and the original language of the Quran today.

None of which you Christians do, to even make this as some got you moment and a point of contention is laughable.

What you basically have of the Bible is opinions of people who have never met Jesus and have been dated several hundreds of years after his absence.

 

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Look I'm going to be respectful to you because you don't know what you're talking about and someone is brainwashing you with missionary nonsense but I'll dignify it.

The Quran has been carbon dated by secularist westerners sitting in a Museum in England to the time of the Prophet Muhammad.

There is not a single Muslim on Earth that will differ with another Muslim about the Quran, they will agree the Quran has 114 chapters including the Shias. Including every other denomination in Islam.

Our understanding differs on certain things which are not from the five pillars of Islam. The five pillars are the core of Islam, every Muslim will tell you God is ONE, pray 5 times a day, give charity, go for pilgrimage, and to fast in the month of Ramadan.

Now what you guys differ in is even the book, that you laughably hold onto as the word of God, something as basic as that.

By the way what is the language of Jesus when he preached? (Peace be upon him)

Do you have any bibles in Aramaic?
All of your surviving manuscripts are in Greek which no two are the same and are CENTURIES after Jesus leaving Earth.
You have lost the language let alone the number of number of books.

Everything you have which is your primary source of information has been lost.
What you have are Greek authored books which have been written by unknown authors centuries after Jesus.

Now contrast this to the Quran. The Quran came in Arabic we still have it in Arabic. We have the early manuscripts of the Quran and the primary source of propogation has been oral.
Muslims from Ethiopia, to Uganda, New Zealand, Nigeria, Saudi Arabia, anywhere from around the world, they will be reading the Quran with not an iota of difference memorized orally that in itself is a miracle.

So we have the oral tradition alive, the written, and the original language of the Quran today.

None of which you Christians do, to even make this as some got you moment and a point of contention is laughable.

What you basically have of the Bible is opinions of people who have never met Jesus and have been dated several hundreds of years after his absence.

You still didn't answer the question so I will repeat myself like a broken record


If the Quran is a preserved text how come no one has produced the verse eaten by sheep? Which included the verse of grown women giving their breasts to men to suck?

Sunan Ibn Majah 1944 - The Chapters on Marriage - كتاب النكاح - Sunnah.com - Sayings and Teachings of Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه و سلم)

Hadith of the Prophet Muhammad (saws) in English and Arabic

sunnah.com

Your own hadith says there is a verse missing. Can you point me to the verse eaten by the sheep? Did Aisha lie when she said a verse was eaten by a sheep?

 

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Mark 2:1-12​

When Jesus returned to Capernaum several days later, the news spread quickly that he was back home. Soon the house where he was staying was so packed with visitors that there was no more room, even outside the door. While he was preaching God’s word to them, four men arrived carrying a paralyzed man on a mat. They couldn’t bring him to Jesus because of the crowd, so they dug a hole through the roof above his head. Then they lowered the man on his mat, right down in front of Jesus. Seeing their faith, Jesus said to the paralyzed man, “My child, your sins are forgiven.”
But some of the teachers of religious law who were sitting there thought to themselves, “What is he saying? This is blasphemy! Only God can forgive sins!”
Jesus knew immediately what they were thinking, so he asked them, “Why do you question this in your hearts? Is it easier to say to the paralyzed man ‘Your sins are forgiven,’ or ‘Stand up, pick up your mat, and walk’? So I will prove to you that the Son of Man has the authority on earth to forgive sins.” Then Jesus turned to the paralyzed man and said, “Stand up, pick up your mat, and go home!”
And the man jumped up, grabbed his mat, and walked out through the stunned onlookers. They were all amazed and praised God, exclaiming, “We’ve never seen anything like this before!”

What Prophet has the power to forgive sin?​

The son of god. Just because he has powers doesn't mean he is god himself. In one of the verses you quoted he says he is the son of man and he'll sit at the right hand of the mighty one

 

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You still didn't answer the question so I will repeat myself like a broken record


If the Quran is a preserved text how come no one has produced the verse eaten by sheep? Which included the verse of grown women giving their breasts to men to suck?

Sunan Ibn Majah 1944 - The Chapters on Marriage - كتاب النكاح - Sunnah.com - Sayings and Teachings of Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه و سلم)

Hadith of the Prophet Muhammad (saws) in English and Arabic

sunnah.com

Your own hadith says there is a verse missing. Can you point me to the verse eaten by the sheep? Did Aisha lie when she said a verse was eaten by a sheep?

You still didn't answer the question so I will repeat myself like a broken record


If the Quran is a preserved text how come no one has produced the verse eaten by sheep? Which included the verse of grown women giving their breasts to men to suck?

Sunan Ibn Majah 1944 - The Chapters on Marriage - كتاب النكاح - Sunnah.com - Sayings and Teachings of Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه و سلم)

Hadith of the Prophet Muhammad (saws) in English and Arabic

sunnah.com

Your own hadith says there is a verse missing. Can you point me to the verse eaten by the sheep? Did Aisha lie when she said a verse was eaten by a sheep?

I love how this dude will not contest any of the questions which nullify and discredit his belief yet wants interrogate me. Fine I answered all your questions and naturally you will not answer mine.

But I'll still dignify one last response to you after that I'll just post videos of Ahmed Deedat taking a world tour and humiliating your Christian pastors and like them you are ignorant of your scripture and Jesus's true message which is all over the Bible but you'll ignore the clear verses and go for ambiguous ones which serve a Paulian blasphemous discourse of Roman Christianity.

So this hadith lol about a sheep eating a page which you got from your brain dead Christian missionaries, can you please come with an original thought of your own?

This “fairy-tale” that you keep bringing up as some I got you moment and now Christianity is true and we should all be polytheists and worship the triune God of the European church fathers several hundred years after Jesus existence on Earth lol.

Amongst hundred years of Islamic scholarly works the consensus is the hadith that you insist on being true is a false one for naysayers to discredit the Quran. The hadith system has a methodology behind it, I will not go into the details because you are not interested in that. You're here to perpetuate ignorance without opposition.
So I'll be brief:

• Quran was never altered, and will never be altered because Allah Almighty promised to preserve it.

• Nothing was lost from the Quran, and no additions were ever made to it.
• Prophet Mohammed dictated the revelation he received to his companions.
• Many companions memorized the Quran verbatim by heart, and some of them wrote the revelation on various manuscripts.
• Till today, there are Millions of people who memorize the Quran by heart, and it’s normal to see some of them telling the chain of transmission through which they received the Quran.
• The compilation of the Holy Quran was authenticated and documented with extreme details.
• Quran is the only Divine book which was preserved.
• No two copies are different, which proved that the Quran was never corrupted.
• Oldest Quran Manuscript exists at the University of Birmingham. Carbon dating technology proved that the manuscript is 1400 years old.

This is brought up by those who want to discredit the Quran and attacks its authenticity to argue against its preservation but unfortunately it's just another pathetic attempt that will serve no purpose in making Christiananity legitimate.

 

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The son of god. Just because he has powers doesn't mean he is god himself.

Who can forgive sins according to Jews, Christians, and Muslims?

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Who can forgive sins according to Jews, Christians, and Muslims?

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Jews and Muslims - God
Christians - God and Jesus

 

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The right-wing is not the sum-total of American politics and isn't killing apostates or people who draw pictures.​

So you are going to act like the right wing don't throw their weight around? Dems have been weak for a minute and are quick to compromise in the name of being pragmatic.
The right took Christianity as one of it's pillar in the 80s. At least in the South, most church going white folks lean right

 

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You still didn't answer the question so I will repeat myself like a broken record


If the Quran is a preserved text how come no one has produced the verse eaten by sheep? Which included the verse of grown women giving their breasts to men to suck?

Sunan Ibn Majah 1944 - The Chapters on Marriage - كتاب النكاح - Sunnah.com - Sayings and Teachings of Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه و سلم)

Hadith of the Prophet Muhammad (saws) in English and Arabic

sunnah.com

Your own hadith says there is a verse missing. Can you point me to the verse eaten by the sheep? Did Aisha lie when she said a verse was eaten by a sheep?

Because there are no such verses that a sheep ate, do you have reading comprehension?
Get the fukk out of here.

You haven't answered a single question of mine and you're talking to me as if you're an authority over the Quran.

You're peddling bumble hick Bible belt Hill Billy missionary bullshyt and I have dignified it all with a thorough response.

The source of your inquiries is considered to be weak no Islamic scholar considers it to be a truthful.

Thus why every Muslim and historian agrees that the Quran is preserved you saying it isn't doesn't negate 100 years of scholarly works.

But but a sheep ate a page of the Quran and well you see it was a verse about stoning in a hadith which uses an applied science based critique which is completely ignorant to me in order to deduce fabrication from truth.
Jesus was a Middle Eastern man and he was a Muslim. Be furious.

 

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So you are going to act like the right wing don't throw their weight around?

Right-wing throwing their weight around=/ ISIS throwing apostates off buildings.​

 

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Jews and Muslims - God
Christians - God and Jesus

Then that means 'G-d' = Jesus.

Also, the first ones to believe Jesus' 'divinity' were devout Hebrews, so separating them from Christians is not only dishonest, but historically false.

Christians didn't separate from Jews until the 2nd Century CE....

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Because there are no such verses that a sheep ate, do you have reading comprehension?
Get the fukk out of here.

You haven't answered a single question of mine and you're talking to me as if you're an authority over the Quran.

You're peddling bumble hick Bible belt Hill Billy missionary bullshyt and I have dignified it all with a thorough response.

The source of your inquiries is considered to be weak no Islamic scholar considers it to be a truthful.

Thus why every Muslim and historian agrees that the Quran is preserved you saying it isn't doesn't negate 100 years of scholarly works.

But but a sheep ate a page of the Quran and well you see it was a verse about stoning in a hadith which uses an applied science based critique which is completely ignorant to me in order to deduce fabrication from truth.
Jesus was a Middle Eastern man and he was a Muslim. Be furious.

So did Aisha lie in that hadith?

 

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So did Aisha lie in that hadith?

No the hadith is fabricated it is not referenced by Aisha may Allah be pleased with her. You clown.
Now answer all those questions above.

I'll do the interrogating now.
You want to debate the authenticity of the Quran in comparison to the bible No Christian scholar would be so bold.

Do you have the gospel of Jesus?
What we have are contradictary manuscripts which no 2 are the same, written by UNKNOWN GREEK AUTHORS, and further edited by unknown scribes.

What language did Jesus PBUH speak?

Let me educate you with facts, the old testament is preserved in the Hebrew language and the new testament is in Greek.

In Hebrew God is referred to as Ellohim - the IM is indicated as a plural of majesty. Which is used as a sign of respect.
Ellah stands for God in Hebrew.

What did Jesus say according to your scripture when he was about to be crucified on the cross? I'll tell you. Since you don't know your own Bible.

He cried out Ellah, Ellah (sounds familiar) why have you forsaken me.

When you ask a Christian to open his book which has been authored by Greek authors 500 years after Jesus PBUH left Earth and edited further by unknown scribes he starts to stumble.

Because it's rife full of contradictory narratives and historical inaccurate information. Would you expect this from the words of God?

Further to disregard the legitimacy of today's "Bible." which isn't at all difficult to do.

The translators of the Bible have a sickness which they insist on changing words and names to make it more appealing to their western history, commonly only found in Christiandom.

Let's look at the term Messiah. Jesus was the Messiah - in Hebrew and Arabic it is translated as Massih. Which translates to, the annointed one.
How did your Roman church fathers get the term Christ from it?

In Greek annointed means Christos
Take away the os and you have Christ.

Now imagine calling jesus PBUH a middle eastern man Christ.
Do you see how absurd you Christians are?

Jesus wasn't even his name, his name in classical Hebrew is Yeshua and reffered to in common Hebrew Eso, and in Arabic Isa.

So why do you Christians insist on referring to this MIDDLE EASTERN Man as Jesus?

You don't even refer to him PBUH by the name his mother gave him.
But you people are the true followers of Isa?

It is no wonder you blastheme his message. You can't even address him by his God given name.

Where do you get the name Jesus from?
His mother Mariam may Allah be pleased with her, when he was born didn't give him the name Jesus. There is no such word in the Hebrew language.

Your western church pagan inspired fathers have a habit to westernize the prophets into European men. They insist on inserting the letter J and this isn't just exclusive to Isa PBUH.

Here are some more examples, Yousef is a Joseph, Yaqub is a Jacob, Yahya is a John and so forth.

This is a sickness that you Christians have. You're insistent on white washing Prophets sent by God in the Middle East to Latin or European men and you want to claim legitimacy? Embarrassing.

Now as for the Quran the final revelation to mankind.

The Quran has been carbon dated by secular textual critics to the time of the prophet Muhammad PBUH 1400 years ago, and it is sitting in a museum in England and no letter or word has been changed.

The same Quran that is being recited by memory by the kid in eygpt is the same Quran that is being recited by the person in Nigeria, Ethiopia, Yemen and around the world today.

Nothing has been added nothing has been subtracted unlike your Greek scriptures written by men.

This is a promise of God, in the Quran it is stated "Verily, We Ourselves have sent down this Exhortation, and most surely We will be its Guardian".

 

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No the hadith is fabricated it is not referenced by Aisha may Allah be pleased with her. You clown.

On what bases did you come to the conclusion that a hadith graded as Hasan (Good) was fabricated? Can you send me a link?

Grade:

Hasan (Darussalam)