Why is Jesus blasphemed but no other religion's figure is?

[Anhur]

You cannot blaspheme prophets. Muhammad bring the ultimate false prophet and Islam being the religion of Satan.

Christians love to throw bricks from glass houses. Before I say anything else,
us Muslims believe that Christians believe in the same God as us but your faith was corrupted by
both spiritual devils and human devils (inspired writers like Paul) who turned a Prophet and Messenger of
God into a Man-God.

Let's start with the Trinity being an ancient concept found in many religions due to the devil's corruption.
There's Ptah-Amun-Ra and Ra can be divided further into Ra-Atum-Khepre all from Egypt.
Nanna-Shamash-Ishtar from Babylon, Brahman is divided into Brahma,
Vishnu, and Shiva in Hinduism, and the Romans believed that Amun, Jupiter, and Zeus were the same.

Man-Gods are also very common in lots of mythologies. Some Romans even tried to say the Jesus was one of
them like Hercules. Christians celebrate Christmas and Easter as holy days despite both originating from
polytheistic traditions. Christmas clearly came from Saturnalia and sun worship. The proof of this is that
a Roman emperor made 25th of December the birthday of the SUN not the SON in 274 CE. Easter comes from Estera which
was a Goddess whose followers offered her sacrifice around the same time as Passover. She is represented
by rabbits and eggs. Easter is also celebrated on SUNday.

The largest Churches around the world have Obelisks in front of them which is clearly originates
from Egyptian polytheism. We can talk about more demonic inspirations like the blood of Jesus, drinking
wine in holy places, idolatry (pictures of Jesus and God in Churches), abolishment of the Commandments and
Laws, etc but I think you get the point. Don't talk about Islam before looking into your own beliefs.

Hebrew has never been a 'dead' language. As I have written before,

Before you say this is biased this company is to Israel what Al Jazeera is to Qatar.

When Hashem renews His 'deal' with Yisroʾel in the Messianic Age, there will be one (and only one) difference between that 'renewed' deal that He will renew in the time of the King-Moshiyah (sha-yih'yah bi-m'héroh b'yoménu ʾomén!) and the original deal that He 'cut' with us at Horev; and the verses quoted spell out what that difference will be. The Creator tells us through Yir'm'yohu that we reneged on that deal, but we will not do so in respect of the renewed one (one that entails the same God, the same Torah, and the same Nation).

The Prophet Yir'm'yohu details the renewed בְּרִית (a legal 'agreement' or 'contract'; a 'treaty') in chapters 31 and 32. Bear in mind that the infinitive לְחַדֵּשׁ is 'to renew', and the meaning of the adjective חָדָשׁ [masc.], חֲדָשָׁה [fem.] is 'renewed' rather than 'new'—and so the phrase בְּרִית חֲדָשָׁה in Yir'm'yohu 31:30 denotes a 'renewed agreement' (or 'contract' or 'treaty' or 'covenant') as opposed to a completely new one.

Yet, they reneged again on the new covenant when they disbelieved in the Messiah Son of Maryam PBUH.

You are dealing with me in semantics and ignoring my questions. The Questions I've asked repeatedly are simple.

Why weren't the Hebrews rewarded for rejecting and enabling the crucifixion of Jesus "the great deceiver, magician,
and blasphemer" who deceived 10s of billions of people through time and more than half of humankind today?

Why were the Hebrews punished similarly to how they were punished under the Babylonians (temple destroyed
and people scattered till this day almost 2000 years later) for rejecting him?

You can't explain this because it is impossible for you to do so. The destruction of the second temple
and the scattering are clear signs of a broken covenant and punishment.

 

[Koichos]

Before you say this is biased this company is to Israel what Al Jazeera is to Qatar.

Yawn!!! How wise was King Sh'lomoh's counsel when he wrote:

:מִשְׁלֵי כ״ג ט׳: בְּאָזְנֵי כְסִיל אַל־תְּדַבֵּר כִּי־יָבוּז לְשֵׂכֶל מִלֶּיךָ

:מִשְׁלֵי כ״ו ד׳: אַל־תַּעַן כְּסִיל כְּאִוַּלְתּוֹ פֶּן־תִּשְׁוֶה־לּוֹ גַם־אָתָּה

:מִשְׁלֵי כ״ו ה׳: עֲנֵה כְסִיל כְּאִוַּלְתּוֹ פֶּן־יִהְיֶה חָכָם בְּעֵינָיו​

Yet, they reneged again on the new covenant when they disbelieved in the Messiah Son of Maryam PBUH.

Yir'm'yohu 31:30-33 speaks explicitly to the Messianic Era and so is not relevant to the past or present time.

We reaffirmed our undertaking in the days of ʿAzroʾ, but the Creator did not 'renew' His part of the 'Agreement' at that time (it will take place in the Messianic Age). In any case, belief in 'the Messiah' was not part of the original deal that He 'cut' with us at Mount Horev in the Sinai Desert on 6th Siwon, 2448, seven weeks after we left Egypt (there is no mention of belief in 'the Messiah' in the 248 מִצְו‍ֹת עֲשֵׂה and the 365 מִצְו‍ֹת לֹא־תַעֲשֶׂה that were given to Yisroʾel); and the 'renewed' deal will differ from the earlier deal in only one way—we will no longer break it after it has been renewed (a mistake we made as regards the original deal) as the Prophet Yir'm'yohu tells us in 31:31.

Incidentally, the noun הַמָּשִׁיחַ ('the Messiah'), with the definite article prefix הַ־, does not occur anywhere at all in our Holy Scriptures; it is found only in the Talmudh di-v'nei Maʿarovoʾ, Talmudh Bav'li and other sacred Jewish texts—which you do not even recognize. The four instances of הַמָּשִׁיחַ in Wayyiq'roʾ 4:3, 4:5, 4:16 and 6:15 are all adjectives and do not denote a 'messiah'; rather, הַכֹּהֵן הַמָּשִׁיחַ ('the oil-smeared kohen'), in which הַכֹּהֵן ('the kohen') is the noun and הַמָּשִׁיחַ ('oil-smeared') is an adjective qualifying it. Apart from the very first generation of kohanim (that is to say, ʾAharon and his four sons Nodhov, ʾAvihuʾ, ʾAlʿozor, ʾIthomor), the kohanim were not 'anointed'.

The king of the future who, in a period long after the T'na"ch (Hebrew Scriptures) was composed, came to be referred to as הַמָּשִׁיחַ ('the messiah'), is never actually CALLED מָּשִׁיחַ ('a messiah'), never mind הַמָּשִׁיחַ ('the messiah'), in Scripture. There are plenty of references in the T'na"ch to the future king who is destined to reign one day (using several different titles: מֶלֶךְ 'king', נָגִיד 'ruler', נָשִׂיא 'prince'), but he is never called מָשִׁיחַ or הַמָּשִׁיחַ, the latter of which is found only in post-Biblical Jewish texts; the concept of a future leader who will be called מָשִׁיחַ ('a messiah'), הַמָּשִׁיחַ ('the messiah') or even הַמֶּלֶךְ הַמָּשִׁיחַ ('the king-messiah'), is entirely Rabbinic—it is not Biblical at all.

What is more, the Torah gives us the right to choose our own king (D'vorim 17:14-15), subject only to it being someone 'that Hashem will approve of' (אֲשֶׁר יִבְחַר ה׳ אֱלֹחֶֽיךָ בּוֹ), and the only limitation He ever imposed was that it has to be a natural-born Jew (מִקֶּֽרֶב אַחֶֽיךָ... לֹא תוּכַל לָתֵת עָלֶֽיךָ אִישׁ נָכְרִי אֲשֶׁר לֹא־אָחִֽיךָ הוּא) and a direct lineal descendant in the male line of King Dowidh, through his son King Sh'lomoh. It is our choice and our choice alone; noch'rim have no say in choosing Yisroʾel's king. Furthermore, the Torah specifies that all kings must enjoy the support of a majority of the people (as in, for example, D'vorim 17:15) when it says 'then you are to appoint' (שׂוֹם תָּשִׂים).

Why weren't the Hebrews rewarded for rejecting and enabling the crucifixion of Jesus "the great deceiver, magician,
and blasphemer" who deceived 10s of billions of people through time and more than half of humankind today?

Why were the Hebrews punished similarly to how they were punished under the Babylonians (temple destroyed
and people scattered till this day almost 2000 years later) for rejecting him?

You can't explain this because it is impossible for you to do so.

I should be more inclined to say that your questions are based upon an assumption of the premise:

(i) 'Why weren't the Hebrews rewarded...' (i.e., assuming a reward), and
(ii) 'Why were the Hebrews punished . . . for rejecting him' (i.e., assuming the punishment).

The puny, worthless idol-man could not have been 'the messiah' foretold in the T'na"ch because:

• he never was moshu'ah 'smeared' with the very specific shaman mi-sh'hath-qodhash 'smearing of sanctity oil', in a particular manner by a recognized Jewish prophet and in accordance with the instructions given in Sh'moth 30:22 (this is where Mattaʾi 26:7, Markus 14:3, Luqos 7:37 and Yohonon 12:3 fail) in order to become ha-malach ha-moshiy'ah ('the King-Moshiy'ah)—
• he failed to preside over the building of the third Bayyith in Y'rusholayim, which it is prophesied that 'the messiah' will do (Y'hazqeʾl 37:26, 37:28);
• he failed to preside over the identification and reassembly of all the descendants of Yaʿaqov ʾOvinu in the Jewish homeland, which it is prophesied that 'the messiah' will do (Y'shaʿyohu 11:12);
• he failed to reunify the two divided kingdoms and reign over the reunified kingdom, which it is prophesied that 'the messiah' will do (Y'hazqeʾl 37:22, 37:24);
• he failed to establish world peace (far from it, in fact), which it is prophesied that 'the messiah' will do (Y'shaʿyohu 2:4, Michoh 4:3-4);
• he failed to bring about the t'hiyyath ha-méthim 'resurrection of the dead' (Y'shaʿyohu 26:19, Doniyyeʾl 12:2), and
• he failed to accomplish any of the other tasks that the prophets predicted 'the messiah' will do.

It would be quicker to list his prophecies that were true. Here is a complete list of them:

 

[Anhur]

Yawn!!! How wise was King Sh'lomoh's counsel when he wrote:

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I should be more inclined to say that your questions are based upon an assumption of the premise:
The puny, worthless idol-man could not have been 'the messiah' foretold in the T'na"ch because:
It would be quicker to list his prophecies that were true. Here is a complete list of them:

Here we go with the semantics again. I knew you wouldn't be able to answer my question so you had to deflect.
My questions are very simple and to the point so answer them before veering off to if he fulfilled the prophecies or not.

Here they are again incase you forgot:
Why weren't the Hebrews rewarded for rejecting and enabling the crucifixion of Jesus "the great deceiver, magician,
and blasphemer" who deceived 10s of billions of people through time and more than half of humankind today?

Why were the Hebrews punished similarly to how they were punished under the Babylonians (temple destroyed
and people scattered till this day almost 2000 years later) for rejecting him?

It is our choice and our choice alone; noch'rim have no say in choosing Yisroʾel's king. Furthermore, the Torah specifies that all kings must enjoy the support of a majority of the people (as in, for example, D'vorim 17:15) when it says 'then you are to appoint' (שׂוֹם תָּשִׂים).

We mentioned how the Tanakh lacked a warning about the coming of a false Messiah. So doesn't this completely
undermine the Omniscient nature of God?
Why didn't He warn His followers of the false/lying/fake Moshiach to come (Jesus from your point of view)
Many Jews over the centuries have converted to Christianity. Jesus now has over half the world believing
he was a Messiah and 10s of billions have died believing that as well.
For such an important figure not to be mentioned in any Prophecy means that God must've
lacked future sight. Why did He not warn His followers that such a trial and tribulation was arriving?
If there was ever a need for prophecy, the coming of such a heretic would be the most important one to make
so that the followers of God would be prepared and not fall for the deception as many allegedly have.
How can God judge those who converted if He failed to warn them in the first place?

 

[Koichos]

Stop debating about it being a dead language when it was. That's just a fact that you'll have to live with.

We have never stopped speaking our beautiful, ancient and holy language, which has changed hardly at all in more than four millennia: even little Jewish children too young to have studied T'na"ch can be heard today using terms and phrases taken directly from its pages.

Why weren't the Hebrews rewarded for rejecting and enabling the crucifixion of Jesus "the great deceiver, magician,
and blasphemer" who deceived 10s of billions of people through time and more than half of humankind today?

You have yet to cite a single reference from the T'na"ch detailing this supposed reward.

Why were the Hebrews punished similarly to how they were punished under the Babylonians (temple destroyed
and people scattered till this day almost 2000 years later) for rejecting him?

The exile in Boval (Babylonia) and destruction of Sh'lomoh's Temple was caused by Yisroʾel's general disobedience of the Torah. This does not mean that the entire nation abandoned the Torah; as today, there was always a small section who kept faith with Hashem, but disobedience by the majority led to punishment for all. The same is true for the Second Temple's destruction. Considering, then, that a 'Messiah' is not even part of Torah Law, it follows that there is no national 'punishment' for the 'rejecting' of any such Jewish claimant.

The Second Temple, which was destroyed in the year ג׳תתכ״ח or 3828 AM (1,954 years ago), is foretold in chapter 3 of Michoh (v. 12).

We mentioned how the Tanakh lacked a warning about the coming of a false Messiah. So doesn't this completely
undermine the Omniscient nature of God?

I said in my post #247: 'there is not any 'anti-Messiah' anywhere in the T'na"ch' (i.e., the concept of an 'anti-christ' that originated in the Greek Dreck)—that is not to say that there is no reference in T'na"ch to a phony who would claim to satisfy the position of a 'Messiah'.

Why didn't He warn His followers of the false/lying/fake Moshiach to come (Jesus from your point of view)

God Himself answers your nonsense in D'vorim 13:1-6 which you have obviously never read and so I reproduce what He says here for your information. As I said before, if anything, 'that man' was a 'false prophet' who deserved death (D'vorim 13:6 & 18:20), because he made at least one 'prediction' that never happened (Mattaʾi 24:1-2, Markus 12:1-2, Luqos 19:41-44 (detailed in the paragraphs below)).

:א אֵת כָּל־הַדָּבָר אֲשֶׁר אָנֹכִי מְצַוֶּה אֶתְכֶם אֹתוֹ תִשְׁמְרוּ לַעֲשׂוֹת לֹא־תֹסֵף עָלָיו וְלֹא תִגְרַע מִמֶּנּוּ
:ב כִּי־יָקוּם בְּקִרְבְּךָ נָבִיא אוֹ חֹלֵם חֲלוֹם וְנָתַן אֵלֶיךָ אוֹת אוֹ מוֹפֵת
:ג וּבָא הָאוֹת וְהַמּוֹפֵת אֲשֶׁר־דִּבֶּר אֵלֶיךָ לֵאמֹר נֵלְכָה אַחֲרֵי אֱלֹהִים אֲחֵרִים אֲשֶׁר לֹא־יְדַעְתָּם וְנָעָבְדֵם
:ד לֹא תִשְׁמַע אֶל־דִּבְרֵי הַנָּבִיא הַהוּא אוֹ אֶל־חוֹלֵם הַחֲלוֹם הַהוּא כִּי מְנַסֶּה ה׳ אֱלֹקֵיכֶם אֶתְכֶם לָדַעַת הֲיִשְׁכֶם אֹהֲבִים אֶת־ה׳ אֱלֹקֵיכֶם בְּכָל־לְבַבְכֶם וּבְכָל־נַפְשְׁכֶם
:ה אַחֲרֵי ה׳ אֱלֹקֵיכֶם תֵּלֵכוּ וְאֹתוֹ תִירָאוּ וְאֶת־מִצְוֺתָיו תִּשְׁמֹרוּ וּבְקֹלוֹ תִשְׁמָעוּ וְאֹתוֹ תַעֲבֹדוּ וּבוֹ תִדְבָּקוּן
:ו וְהַנָּבִיא הַהוּא אוֹ חֹלֵם הַחֲלוֹם הַהוּא יוּמָת כִּי דִבֶּר־סָרָה עַל־ה׳ אֱלֹקֵיכֶם הַמּוֹצִיא אֶתְכֶם מֵאֶרֶץ מִצְרַיִם וְהַפֹּדְךָ מִבֵּית עֲבָדִים לְהַדִּיחֲךָ מִן־הַדֶּרֶךְ אֲשֶׁר צִוְּךָ ה׳ אֱלֹקֶיךָ לָלֶכֶת בָּהּ וּבִעַרְתָּ הָרָע מִקִּרְבֶּךָ​

1 You are to be careful to perform the entire matter that I am commanding you—do not add [anything] to it and do not take [anything] away from it!
2 If a prophet or one who has dreamt a dream [ever] arises among you, and he gives you a sign or a miracle,
3 and the sign or miracle [that he predicted as a support for his suggestion] comes to fruition, and he says, 'Let us go after strange 'gods' that you never knew about [before this] and start serving them'—
4 you are not to take any notice of the words of that 'prophet', or of that dreamer of a dream's words: Hashem, your ʾAlohim, is just testing you, to know whether you really love Hashem, your ʾAlohim, with your whole heart and your whole being!
5 You are to follow [only] Hashem, your ʾAlohim, and you are to respect [only] Him: you are to observe His miss'woth, pay attention to His Voice, worship Him, and cling to Him;
6 and that 'prophet', or that dreamer of a dream, is to die, because he spoke falsehood about Hashem, your ʾAlohim who brought you out of the land of Miss'rayim, and redeemed you from the place of enslavement, [trying] to deflect you from the way in which Hashem, your ʾAlohim, commanded you to go; and [by doing this] you will clear away the evil from before you. (D'vorim 13:1-6)

The juxtaposition between verses 2-5 and verse 1 is a clear reference to Yushkeh, because (i) he himself says (John 13:34) 'I am giving you a new commandment', and (ii) there are a number of places in the gossipels where he explicitly abrogates various misswoth of the Torah; and (iii) Yushkeh further claimed to be a 'prophet', predicting (among other things) that the Old City of Y'rusholayim was going to be besieged (Luke 19:43) and then destroyed so completely that 'not one stone will be left upon another, that was not thrown down' (Matthew 24:2, Mark 13:2 & Luke 19:44)—which has not happened at any time from his own until the present. The largest blocks of dressed stone above today's ground level date from the time of Harod, but the lowest rows below the ground—and I am talking about what lies approximately 15-20 meters below the ground—are from the First Bayyith (i.e., Temple) which was built by King Sh'lomoh.

There has been a retaining wall on that site for 3,000 years. Today there is probably as much of the western wall of the ancient Temple compound buried in the ground as now stands above ground level, for the Romans plowed up the region where the Temple had stood (Mishnoh, Taʿanith, chapter dalat, paragraph wow; and g'moroʾ, folio chof-ṭéth, column ʾalaf) and heaped rubble against the retaining walls that surrounded the Har Habayyith (i.e., the Temple Mount) in an effort to bury the structure completely. But the lowest courses of the wall, which have now been exposed to view by shafts that were sunk by Yisrʾeli archaeologists in the tunnels that run beside the structure, date from the time of Sh'lomoh's Temple; and the existing walls were merely extended upward when the existing walls were constructed (the uppermost rows of much smaller bricks are even later additions and date from the time of the Muslims and Ottomans).

Many Jews over the centuries have converted to Christianity.

The simple truth is that very few native-born, Hebrew-speaking Jews ever embrace xianity. Hilloniyyim (that is 'secular' Jews) have no interest at all in religion in general, and they are the only ones who are likely to be inculcated into seeing that which is not there; those Jews who have been educated in the proper reading of T'na"ch could never be taken in by the missionaries' distortions and deceptions.

Jesus now has over half the world believing
he was a Messiah and 10s of billions have died believing that as well.

What the nations of the world call that man is totally irrelevant; not one of you has a clue as to what the Hebrew term מָשִׁיחַ even means, or the fact that it never occurs anywhere in the written Scriptures in reference to the future king/leader who is destined to reign one day.

For such an important figure not to be mentioned in any Prophecy means that God must've
lacked future sight.

That man has never been an important figure to us. The reality is that we just don't care a damn about the man; we have as little interest in him as we do in Shoʾul of Tarshish. As a cousin of mine would say: ‎אַיין אִיז עֶרְגֶער װִי דִי אַנְדֶערֶע (ʾIddish: 'each is worse than the other').

Why did He not warn His followers that such a trial and tribulation was arriving?

Perhaps you are not aware that the very man to whose throne you lot pretend he was the heir warned us with biting sarcasm about him:

ג אַל־תִּבְטְחוּ בִנְדִיבִים בְּבֶן־אָדָם ׀
:שֶׁאֵין לוֹ תְשׁוּעָה
ד תֵּצֵא רוּחוֹ יָשֻׁב לְאַדְמָתוֹ
:בַּיּוֹם הַהוּא אָבְדוּ עֶשְׁתֹּנֹתָיו
ה אַשְׁרֵי שֶׁאֵל יַעֲקֹב בְּעֶזְרוֹ
:שִׂבְרוֹ עַל־ה׳ אֱלֹקָיו​

3 Do not rely on any 'princes' nor a 'son of man'—
he has no 'salvation'!
4 When his ru'ah ['spirit'] departs he will turn back into [his] dust—
that very day all his schemes will be brought to naught!
5 [In contrast,] how fortunate is whoever has Yaʿaqov's God as his Helper—
his hope depends [solely] on Hashem his God. (Tahillim 146:3-5)

In these verses Dowidh, who is included among the prophets who prophesied to Yisroʾel in Biblical times, gives a prophetic (and rather sarcastic) warning concerning the worthless imposter who would one day come along calling himself the 'son of man', pretending to be a descendant of the Royal Family (i.e., a 'prince'), claiming his (i.e., Dowidh's) throne, and offering phony 'salvation' that was not his to offer. Consequently, we are explicitly told: Do not place any trust in 'princes' [a sarcastic dig at any impostor who claimed to be the descendant of a 'king'] as in [that man who regularly referred to himself as] the 'son of man', [because] he has no 'salvation'. The idol-man (i) did claim to be the progeny of a king; (ii) did refer to himself as the 'son of man'; and (iii) did come offering spurious 'salvation' that was never his to offer.

 

[Anhur]

We have never stopped speaking our beautiful,

It was dead and it is now revived using Arabic and other languages. Anything else is just your opinion. THE END.

You have yet to cite a single reference from the T'na"ch detailing this supposed reward.

This is from your own book (Deuteronomy 13: 17-18):

Then the Lord will turn from his fierce anger, will show you mercy, and will have compassion on you.
He will increase your numbers, as he promised on oath to your ancestors—18 because you obey the Lord
your God by keeping all his commands that I am giving you today and doing what is right in his eyes.

Where is this reward if Prophet Isa PBUH was truly a false Moshiach and Prophet? The complete opposite
happened. They were given a punishment. Their temple destroyed and they were scattered and became oppressed.

The exile in Boval (Babylonia) and destruction of Sh'lomoh's Temple was caused by Yisroʾel's general disobedience of the Torah. This does not mean that the entire nation abandoned the Torah; as today, there was always a small section who kept faith with Hashem, but disobedience by the majority led to punishment for all. The same is true for the Second Temple's destruction.

Thank you for agreeing with me. So basically, you're admitting that the covenant was broken again lol.
That is the only reason possible which is what I've been saying this whole time.
Quick question- You said that the first temple was destroyed due to most of them being disobedient, right?
Most of them were also disobedient towards Prophet Isa PBUH.
That means, at least according to you, they were actually on the right side and devout believers so
they should never have been punished because they didn't believe in that "false Moshiach."
For some reason, the reality is the complete opposite? They disobeyed him and got punished severely.
How do you reconcile this major contradiction?

God Himself answers your nonsense in D'vorim 13:1-6 which you have obviously never read and so I reproduce what He says here for your information.

There is a difference between what us Muslims and Christians believe about Prophet Isa PBUH. We believe
that he was calling his people back to the right path and worshipped one God as a Messenger and a Messiah.
So for what us Muslims believe, he clearly doesn't fit Deuteronomy 13. The Christians sadly deified this
Prophet so therefore Christian Jesus definitely fits the bill in Deuteronomy 13. It seems that the Muslims Prophet is the truth while the Christian Jesus was a Greco-Roman fabrication.

In these verses Dowidh, who is included among the prophets who prophesied to Yisroʾel in Biblical times, gives a prophetic (and rather sarcastic) warning concerning the worthless imposter who would one day come along calling himself the 'son of man', pretending to be a descendant of the Royal Family (i.e., a 'prince'), claiming his (i.e., Dowidh's) throne, and offering phony 'salvation' that was not his to offer.

Prophet Isa PBUH is the son of no man.
Christians and Muslims both agree that he had a miraculous birth from only his virgin mother PBUH.

She said, ‘My Lord, how will I have a child when no man has touched me?’
[The angel] said, ‘Such is Allah; He creates what He wills.
When He decrees a matter, He only says to it, “Be,” and it is.’” (Surah Al-Imran:47)

Indeed, the example of Jesus in the sight of Allah is like that of Adam. He created him from dust, then said to him, “Be!” And he was!(Surah Al-Imran 3:59)

This alone proves that Prophet Isa PBUH wasn't the one being talked about in that prophecy.
Prophet Isa PBUH said that the only salvation comes from Allah.

Those who say, “Allah is the Messiah, son of Mary,” have certainly fallen into disbelief. The Messiah ˹himself˺ said, “O Children of Israel! Worship Allah—my Lord and your Lord.” Whoever associates others with Allah ˹in worship˺ will surely be forbidden Paradise by Allah. Their home will be the Fire. And the wrongdoers will have no helpers (Surah Al-Ma'idah 5:72)

Then in the footsteps of the prophets, We sent Jesus, son of Mary, confirming the Torah revealed before him. And We gave him the Gospel containing guidance and light and confirming what was revealed in the Torah—a guide and a lesson to the God-fearing.(Surah Al-Ma'idah 5:46)

As you can clearly see, Prophet Isa's message was like the message of all the other Prophets which was to worship one God and follow the commandments. He isn't the fake Prophet in those texts you mentioned.

 

[Koichos]

It was dead and it is now revived using Arabic and other languages. Anything else is just your opinion. THE END.

I'm sure that made perfect sense in your native language.

This is from your own book (Deuteronomy 13: 17-18):



Where is this reward if Prophet Isa PBUH was truly a false Moshiach and Prophet?

We have more than 600 laws all told; national reward and punishment are not doled out on the basis of one or two laws satisfied. Plus, the idol-man's death was not carried out by Yisroʾel (the nation to whom the thirteen derived from D'vorim 13 apply) but the noch'rim.

The complete opposite
happened. They were given a punishment. Their temple destroyed and they were scattered and became oppressed.

Yes, for the wrongdoings in the Temple (detailed in chapter 3 of Michoh).

Thank you for agreeing with me. So basically, you're admitting that the covenant was broken again lol.
That is the only reason possible which is what I've been saying this whole time.
Quick question- You said that the first temple was destroyed due to most of them being disobedient, right?

All four exiles (including the destruction of the two Jewish Temples) relate back to the general disobedience of the Torah.

Most of them were also disobedient towards Prophet Isa PBUH.

Prophets (D'vorim 18:15) and judges (D'vorim 17:11) ought to be obeyed; the idol-man was neither.

That means, at least according to you, they were actually on the right side and devout believers so
they should never have been punished because they didn't believe in that "false Moshiach."

Again, we have several hundred laws, although nobody has to keep ALL of them: there has never been even one Jew in history that all 613 laws applied—some are only for men, others are only for women; some only apply to farmers who are farming in ʾArass Yisroʾel; some are only for kohanim; a few were only for the king when we had one; so on and so forth. And, at any rate, 'Moshiy'ah' is not part of it. Jewish culture is not built around the 'Moshiy'ah', who is actually only a peripheral figure in terms of the everyday life of the Jew.

They disobeyed him and got punished severely.

One has nothing to do with the other.

How do you reconcile this major contradiction?

I don't, because there isn't.

Prophet Isa PBUH is the son of no man.
Christians and Muslims both agree that he had a miraculous birth from only his virgin mother PBUH.

Ah, yes, Casper 'the friendly ghost'.

This alone proves that Prophet Isa PBUH wasn't the one being talked about in that prophecy.

Those suwar prove nothing. It is interesting (even if irrelevant) that the Arabic word surah is cognate with the Hebrew word שׁוּרָה and the related Aramaic תּוֹר, תּוֹרָא which mean a 'row', a 'line', etc.—and each surah is named for a word or name mentioned in an ayah of that surah (and the Arabic term ayah is cognate with another Hebrew word used in a similar context in T'na"ch, namely עִנְיָן, a 'topic').

He isn't the fake Prophet in those texts you mentioned.

You cannot read, write, or speak Hebrew: you are not able to read what the T'na"ch actually says, much less form an opinion as to what its implications are—so your views and your opinions are, in a word, worthless. There is something surreal about a situation in which a bur who cannot even read what a text actually says pontificating pedantically about what it means. I am certain that you cannot get past the very first WORD of the Torah, for not a single one of the [per-]versions on which you must rely can manage to properly translate it.

 

[Anhur]

This will be my final reply since I achieved my main goal of making you admit that the covenant has been
broken due to mass disobedience or whatever. We also agreed that the Prophets were killed as according to
Elijah (1 Kings 19:9), Zechariah (2 Chronicles 24:20), and Uriah (Jeremiah 26:23).

I'm sure that made perfect sense in your native language.

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

Yes, for the wrongdoings in the Temple (detailed in chapter 3 of Michoh).

You keep mentioning Chapter 3 of Micah when it has nothing to do with the time period we are talking about.
In fact, in Jerimiah 26 they said that the Lord relented on that punishment.

Jeremiah 26:19

“Did Hezekiah king of Judah or anyone else in Judah put him to death?
Did not Hezekiah fear the Lord and seek his favor? And did not the Lord relent,
so that he did not bring the disaster he pronounced against them?
We are about to bring a terrible disaster on ourselves!”

Why would God Punish them right after they did an incredible deed by throwing out that great deceiver?
Your logic makes absolutely 0 sense. The punishment should've been relented again for passing that tribulation.
If the punishment was to come, it should've came long after the
death of Jesus so it doesn't get misconstrued as a punishment for disobeying him. The reality is that
it happened very quickly after because it was indeed a punishment and you will have to live with that.

All four exiles (including the destruction of the two Jewish Temples) relate back to the general disobedience of the Torah.

Clearly, there was no general disobedience if they didn't believe in that great deceiver (from your POV).
It would make far more sense for the temple to be destroyed if they started worshiping him in that temple or others
which obviously didn't happen. I feel like I'm talking to a wall.

You cannot read, write, or speak Hebrew: you are not able to read what the T'na"ch actually says,

Hebrew is a meaningless language to most. Why would I bother to learn it? Furthermore, why would I bother
to read a book that has so many anonymous authors? The so called Torah or pentateuch has 4 or so authors.(J, E, D, and P)
It is not worth my time to read fabrications made by a bunch of random men. I've relied on translations so far
and from what I've read it is a disappointing book. As I've said earlier, Psalms 74 begins with blasphemy.
I cannot imagine taking such a blasphemous text as holy. That's why us Muslims don't take this fake Torah/Tanakh
as Holy like the Christians. We believe in the Torah of Musa PBUH but not the Torah of J, E, D, and P.
Sadly, the Torah of Musa PBUH is lost to time and corruption.
Thank to Allah we know where our Holy Quran comes from and it has not been altered like the others.

 

[Slaimon Khan Shah]

I Slaimon Khan Shah love Prophet Jesus -Alaah's peace be upon him-!

I Slaimon Khan Shah love Prophet Muhammad -Allaah's peace and blessings be upon him-!

My name is not Michael Jackson or Michael Jordan my name is Muhammad Jesus!

 

[Koichos]

You keep mentioning Chapter 3 of Micah when it has nothing to do with the time period we are talking about.
In fact, in Jerimiah 26 they said that the Lord relented on that punishment.

It seems to me to be the height of חֻצְפָּה for a noch'ri like yourself who does not speak one word of our holy tongue to lecture me on the meaning of a Scriptural verse. Your points clearly demonstrate your ignorance of the Hebrew language, so any comments you have on the Torah (or Nach) must of necessity be the product of your failure to understand the text and, as such, are meaningless and irrelevant.

If the punishment was to come, it should've came long after the
death of Jesus so it doesn't get misconstrued as a punishment for disobeying him.

That is not our problem.

Clearly, there was no general disobedience if they didn't believe in that great deceiver (from your POV).

Four is 0.65% of 613. Four is the number of laws dealing with false prophets.

Hebrew is a meaningless language to most. Why would I bother to learn it?

Learning a language as a purely academic discipline and growing up speaking that language from infancy are two very different things.

Furthermore, why would I bother
to read a book that has so many anonymous authors? The so called Torah or pentateuch has 4 or so authors.(J, E, D, and P)

God composed the text of the Torah and dictated it on the mountain word-by-word to Moshah, who then wrote it down on parchment.

It is not worth my time to read fabrications made by a bunch of random men.
I've relied on translations so far
and from what I've read it is a disappointing book.

Maybe one day you will catch on that it is the very garbled, inaccurate per-versions you are using that is the source of your confusion.

As I've said earlier, Psalms 74 begins with blasphemy.
I cannot imagine taking such a blasphemous text as holy.

Unfortunately, you do not actually have a clue as to what they say because they are written in a language that you cannot speak, read or understand and consequently all you really know is what the mistranslations and per-versions that you have to rely on tell you they say.

That's why us Muslims don't take this fake Torah/Tanakh
as Holy like the Christians. We believe in the Torah of Musa PBUH but not the Torah of J, E, D, and P.
Sadly, the Torah of Musa PBUH is lost to time and corruption.

אַדְּרַבָּא ('No, on the contrary'), as our Sages of antiquity would say; we have an unbroken chain of transmission from the RBS"O and our Teacher Moshah to the T'na"ch's (the original Hebrew and Aramaic text of the Bible) codification by the ʾAn'shei K'nasath Hağ'dholoh—the direct descendants of the original 'Seventy Yis'rʾéli Elders' that Moshah was commanded by the Creator to assemble in the desert.

 

[LurkMoar]

Christianity's gatekeepers decided long ago to prioritize the temporal over the spiritual. The thinking being: who cares what a man's criticisms are when you own their debt?


Of course now they control neither temporal nor spiritual, but they'll die on their hill lying to themselves otherwise. Ye olde dog-and-bone consequences.

Facts

 

[MMS]

@Koichos the boulder is qohelet

We are living in a world of illusion

Identify the kaf. I don't care a jot what the Qurʾan says; it is a heap of garbage and nobody considers it even worth wiping our rear ends with. :lolbron: We are living in a world of illusion

www.thecoli.com

 

[↓R↑LYB]

Because demonic Christians went around the world forcing people to convert to their Satanic religion or be enslaved or murdered.

Dum Diversas - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

We grant you by these present documents, with our Apostolic Authority, full and free permission to invade, search out, capture, and subjugate the Saracens and pagans and any other unbelievers and enemies of Christ wherever they may be, as well as their kingdoms, duchies, counties, principalities, and other property [...] and to reduce their persons into perpetual servitude.[3]

Thankfully my dad taught me the evils of Christianity as a child. It's a violent religion responsible for the death and enslavement of hundreds of millions of people around the planet.

 

[ThrobbingHood]

I’m glad I found this thread. I can’t stand Kendrick. He’s such a poser and overrated, that he has to pull these stunts to make him seem like a legitimate “artist”.

I just saw a video where he’s mocking Jesus again whilst floating/walking on water. You just have to laugh at this clown and his constant blasphemy. He knows where his soul is destined for, hence the constant mockery.

He’s trash and so is his music.

 

[TEH]

Kendrick isn't mocking Jesus.

Explain what’s he doing … most of us don’t get it.

 

[TEH]

Christians love to throw bricks from glass houses. Before I say anything else,
us Muslims believe that Christians believe in the same God as us but your faith was corrupted by
both spiritual devils and human devils (inspired writers like Paul) who turned a Prophet and Messenger of
God into a Man-God.

Let's start with the Trinity being an ancient concept found in many religions due to the devil's corruption.
There's Ptah-Amun-Ra and Ra can be divided further into Ra-Atum-Khepre all from Egypt.
Nanna-Shamash-Ishtar from Babylon, Brahman is divided into Brahma,
Vishnu, and Shiva in Hinduism, and the Romans believed that Amun, Jupiter, and Zeus were the same.

Man-Gods are also very common in lots of mythologies. Some Romans even tried to say the Jesus was one of
them like Hercules. Christians celebrate Christmas and Easter as holy days despite both originating from
polytheistic traditions. Christmas clearly came from Saturnalia and sun worship. The proof of this is that
a Roman emperor made 25th of December the birthday of the SUN not the SON in 274 CE. Easter comes from Estera which
was a Goddess whose followers offered her sacrifice around the same time as Passover. She is represented
by rabbits and eggs. Easter is also celebrated on SUNday.

The largest Churches around the world have Obelisks in front of them which is clearly originates
from Egyptian polytheism. We can talk about more demonic inspirations like the blood of Jesus, drinking
wine in holy places, idolatry (pictures of Jesus and God in Churches), abolishment of the Commandments and
Laws, etc but I think you get the point. Don't talk about Islam before looking into your own beliefs.




Before you say this is biased this company is to Israel what Al Jazeera is to Qatar.




Yet, they reneged again on the new covenant when they disbelieved in the Messiah Son of Maryam PBUH.

You are dealing with me in semantics and ignoring my questions. The Questions I've asked repeatedly are simple.

Why weren't the Hebrews rewarded for rejecting and enabling the crucifixion of Jesus "the great deceiver, magician,
and blasphemer" who deceived 10s of billions of people through time and more than half of humankind today?

Why were the Hebrews punished similarly to how they were punished under the Babylonians (temple destroyed
and people scattered till this day almost 2000 years later) for rejecting him?

You can't explain this because it is impossible for you to do so. The destruction of the second temple
and the scattering are clear signs of a broken covenant and punishment.

The Coal Eeee got Messianic Rabbis posting in threads now