Why is pop/catchy music frowned upon in hip-hop/R&B?
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IllmaticDelta
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I wouldn't consider Rebirth Of Slick pop but I would consider the other two pop
it did great on the charts
Peak positions
Chart (1993) Peak
position
New Zealand (Recorded Music NZ)[3] 8
Billboard Hot 100 15
Billboard Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Singles & Tracks 6
Billboard Hot Rap Singles 1
Billboard Hot Dance Music/Maxi-Singles Sales 1
Billboard Dance Music/Club Play Singles 20
Billboard Rhythmic Top 40 12
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FeloniousMonk
Dont mind me..Im a azzhole
Why isnt all rap marketed as popular music then, why separate by category?
Hip Hop is crossover music, now specifically designed to be "pop" music to maximize profit and exposure.
When it is added/played/requested/marketed on those Radio formats. The label dictates this.
Rap music never started as or wanted to be "pop" music.
It became 'pop' due to the rebellious overtones and overall rejection of conservative critics who bashed the music as loud, obscene, and gibberish, which actually shed light, created a curiosity in the general public in turn lead to its outbreak and embracement.
These same critics never would have thought that this hood, street music would creep over into their acclaimed, almighty, popular music category.
Maybe guys do like to have a good time, but they dont log onto rap forums to stan shytty music? OP made this thread because he thinks BBTM is better than the trilogy (it isn't) and that views is a rap album (it isn't). Im pretty sure guys can have a good time and still think Trilogy > BBTM and that Views is average as fukk. Y'all be trying to make it about "going outside" and "having a good time" when reality a lot of the music is trash.
i heard YG "Twist My Fingaz" in the club plenty. People had a good time to this song. It is corny? No. It's it shytty pop song? No. It's just a GOOD RECORD. YG made plenty of club songs without having to do some sell out sounding gay shyt.
Jay-Z was always good at doing both serious songs and party songs.
A lot of artists just make shytty records to chase hits and thats just the truth of it. Y'all can keep running with this "y'all dont like Weeknd Max Martin fluff joints because y'all dont go outside" Nah, nikkas do go outside, they just dont go back into the house and play that weak shyt, or go into rap forums to have discussions about it every day.
Im pretty sure a lot of guys here could say the same breh. I dont see why nikkas expect guys who gravitate to rap forums to have rave reviews about cookie cutter radio joints. They serve there purpose for what they are but thats it
pop music isn't bad a lot of nikkas just make shytty pop music, and "having fun" isn't a cover up for being a fan of shytty pop music and playing that shyt in the crib on full blast
Regardless of how well it did it just doesn't have pop music influence to me
IllmaticDelta
Veteran
it's pop because it crossed over into the masses and that's all it takes to qualify for top 40
FeloniousMonk
Dont mind me..Im a azzhole
Nelly was aiming for the pop charts..Hell yes.
All his singles where clubs tracks.
He's in the generation of rappers who learned from the Puffy school of rap marketing.
LL fell into the "pop" demo by happenstance and cultural convenience.
He was considered a safe negro.
Compared to like..
...lets say..Eazy E and NWA..
Kyle C. Barker
Migos VERZUZ Mahalia Jackson
IllmaticDelta
Veteran
marketing purposes because "pop" was a lowkey way to refer to music coming from white people. To use Sam Cooke for example
for example @ 1:23
"sam cooke was one of the first to make the transition from Gospel to POP MUSIC but they called it R&B and then Soul because he was AfroAmerican (black)"
true but they were wrong because if you know history the of "black" music in america, it was destined for the same thing to happen with rap the same way the original r&b crossed over and became "rock n roll".
Detroit_blue
Pro
Sales dont make pop. Conforming does. Jadas why crossed over he never went pop. Hip hop is not pop, its rebellion. Same as rocc was when it was pure. Why is it hard to believe its nikkas riding to grimey shyt? I grew up gang bamgin n hustlin I dont relate to simps cryin over hoes. Im much more westside gunn n conway than florida, why is that frowned upon. I pull up on hoes wit roc marciano playin while i smoke an l. We different
I don't think just because something is popular that makes it pop..pop is more of a sound and song writing structure than just "popular" IMO.
FeloniousMonk
Dont mind me..Im a azzhole
You are subjectifying and generalizing the term.
When using pop its in reference to.
Yes Rap music charts in other categories.
Is Rap specifically pop, no.
Kyle C. Barker
Migos VERZUZ Mahalia Jackson
That was kind of an anomaly in my opinion.
It just so happened to have an unintentionally catchy hook (cool like that, slick like that, etc..)
Think of any legend in both rap and rock and usually their music wasn't made to be catchy and accessible. The music usually lacks nuance and the connection you have with the music is usually surface level, hence you have the bandwagon fan base that's always looking for the next face prop while the previous dude is quickly forgotten and if not laughed at