Why isn't Sam Hinkie a coveted GM candidate?

[duckbutta]

Because only 1 of his 6 lottery picks is on the team playing every game?

Because he built probably the second worst roster in the nba right now?

Because Philly isn't any closer to being a real nba team than they were when he first destroyed the roster?

Because the nba is moving into the super team era and Hinkie has left Philly with a bunch of young guys who outside of Embiid you don't know if they can even be a star in this league?

Because it was bad press for the nba having a team try to lose every night?

Hard to sell TV deals worth billions of dollars when you have a team actively trying to put the worst product on the floor they possibly can...

 

[Swagnificent]

If he was allowed to get Kristaps, he'd probably have the best draft vision of any GM this century

Where is this myth coming from that he wasn't allowed to pick Kristaps?

Also even if that was the case, so what? Philly hasn't won anything yet.

 

[duckbutta]

so why havent other GMs?

Because if they strip their team down, replace it with high draft picks who are always to injured to play, and put a bad basketball product on the floor, they will be fired?

 

[KOBE]

This.

I can't believe there are idiots on here who think what he did was some genius move.

I did that shyt every year in 2K. Trading away all your decent players for draft picks. Scrubing the roster clean of any decent players then tanking to get the #1 pick. Anyone can do what he did.

The reason others haven't done it as flagrantly as the Sixers is because in the real world intentionally trying to lose in a business where competitive balance is important makes bad business sense.

That's not all he did.

He fukked the Kings to get assets from them and the Lakers. He was fleecing teams, which isn't what you can just do in the real world as real people aren't the same as AI in a videogame.

Also he made the fanbase buy into what he was doing, which isn't easy. You're trying to chalk it up as anyone can do it, he actually had to explain what he was doing and had to make people in the organization as well as the fanbase buy in and then make it all count. No anyone can not just do that, this isn't 2k, it's the real world where shyt doesn't work that easily.

 

[Swagnificent]

So why can't Brooklyn or New York run their organization like this?

The Nets traded the pick that will be Markelle Fultz and the pick that was Jaylen Brown for Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce and Jason Terry (all over 34 years old)

The Sixers then used their assets from the process to easily grab Fultz without giving up anything but a pick swap and a top 5 protected pick next year. Teams like the Nets, Pelicans, and Clippers have no picks and little to no tradable assets. How do you expect to get good? These GMs are practically stealing money.

The Nets are finished.

The Knicks are finished.

The Clippers have no assets other than 6 year options on their star players (one who's already 32 btw) and the city of LA to try to attract FA.

The Pelicans rented Boogie for a year and are about to overpay for Jrue. They're also finished.

It seems to me these three teams in particular need to trust the process because they aren't going to be good for the foreseeable future.

In competitive sports there have to be losers. The Knicks and Nets are trying to win. And they're doing it the right way. They just aren't the lucky few right now who have had the breaks go their way.

Why do you think every team should be able to turn it around? Why should every team be able to rebuild on easy?

Building a championship team from nothing should NOT be easy. And with this tanking shyt you guys are trying to take the easy road. Obviously tanking makes sense. Its a loophole in the competitive balance. But that's the very reason it shouldn't be done.

If you want to build a contender, do what Golden State did and find Steph Curry and Klay Thompson in the late lottery. Then find Draymond Green in the second round. Or how about what the Milwaukee Bucks are doing now with finding Giannis with the 15th pick and Thon Maker with the 10th pick.

 

[PortCityProphet]

so why havent other GMs?

Cause they like losing and having a cushy job to go woth it and not being an embarrassment to the sport.

 

[Mic-Nificent]

How do you compete with super teams and cities that attract free agents? No one was going to Philly. They had to do it, Hinkie just had the balls to openly tank.

Nobody was going to Philly because they never made the team enticing to big names when they hit free agency.

Lets not pretend as if Philly is some small market that couldn't attract players if they were run in a halfway competent manner.

 

[NatiboyB]

You guys have to be the biggest idiots in the world. There is nothing visionary about what he did. Anyone and everyone can do what he did. Losing on purpose isn't hard. Its winning that's the challenge.

That idiot just convinced his ownership of a ridiculous strategy that 12 year old kids use while playing NBA 2K. And he thought you could treat real life like a video game so you could accumulate a lot of draft picks.

Unfortunately real life ain't like a video game. Subjecting an organization to intentional losing for 3-4 years is unacceptable. Plus it destroys the competitive balance in the sport. Its honestly a joke that people think what he did was revolutionary. Anyone can do what he did. They're just smart enough to know not to do it.

Breh you have nerves of still to call someone an idiot with all of your horrible hot takes

 

[KingJay]

He has a noncompete that just ended, and he doesn't seem that interested in jumping right back in. Man is a genius, at least for anyone looking to rebuild into a contender.

He's white. Probably Jewish as well. Stop with this noise.

He's just a clown who doesn't know anything about actually being a GM.

Please tell me how Hinkie doesn't know about being a GM breh

 

[Swagnificent]

That's not all he did.

He fukked the Kings to get assets from them and the Lakers. He was fleecing teams, which isn't what you can just do in the real world as real people aren't the same as AI in a videogame.

Also he made the fanbase buy into what he was doing, which isn't easy. You're trying to chalk it up as anyone can do it, he actually had to explain what he was doing and had to make people in the organization as well as the fanbase buy in and then make it all count. No anyone can not just do that, this isn't 2k, it's the real world where shyt doesn't work that easily.

Okay. You don't seem to get this so I'll explain it slowly like I'm talking to a kid.

Tanking might be a genius move if one team only does it. But what happens if every team who doesn't have a chance to compete for a title also does it? What then happens to the sport?

Anyone can do what he did if given the latitude. The reason no GM has ever tried to do what he did before him or after him is not because what he did was smart or revolutionary, it's because its DETRIMENTAL to the competitive balance in the sport.

In competitive sports, the worst team is given the best opportunity to acquire new talent in the draft. However, if half the league is trying to compete for that bottom spot every year it is detrimental to the overall product of the league. You idiots simply don't understand this.

Ever heard of the free rider problem? If one person is free riding, it might not be a big deal in theory. But it is unfair and eventually it might lead to others trying to free ride and the overall structure of the business falls apart.

Tanking would destroy the NBA.

 

[Rigby.]

Where is this myth coming from that he wasn't allowed to pick Kristaps?

Also even if that was the case, so what? Philly hasn't won anything yet.

How much would've Philly won sans tanking in the era of Miami Bron, Cleveland Bron, prime Pacers, Toronto, Stevens Celtics, or the Chicago Bulls. Those are all elite teams that would've fielded more talent than the 6ers regardless from May 2013. He inherited a team that was basically stuck as a worst Hawks, and you really question if that's truly winning?

They have the best core for the future PERIOD, and that's what every team outside of like 4 or 5 should be aspiring for right now.

 

[Momentum]

That's not all he did.

He fukked the Kings to get assets from them and the Lakers. He was fleecing teams, which isn't what you can just do in the real world as real people aren't the same as AI in a videogame.

Also he made the fanbase buy into what he was doing, which isn't easy. You're trying to chalk it up as anyone can do it, he actually had to explain what he was doing and had to make people in the organization as well as the fanbase buy in and then make it all count. No anyone can not just do that, this isn't 2k, it's the real world where shyt doesn't work that easily.

He's also got Embiid sold on the process to the point that "The Process" is his moniker. To those not paying attention Embiid will be in a contract year after this season and he isn't looking to go anywhere.

 

[KOBE]

Okay. You don't seem to get this so I'll explain it slowly like I'm talking to a kid.

Tanking might be a genius move if one team only does it. But what happens if every team who doesn't have a chance to compete for a title also does it? What then happens to the sport?

Anyone can do what he did if given the latitude. The reason no GM has ever tried to do what he did before him or after him is not because what he did was smart or revolutionary, it's because its DETRIMENTAL to the competitive balance in the sport.

In competitive sports, the worst team is given the best opportunity to acquire new talent in the draft. However, if half the league is trying to compete for that bottom spot every year it is detrimental to the overall product of the league. You idiots simply don't understand this.

Ever heard of the free rider problem? If one person is free riding, it might not be a big deal in theory. But it is unfair and eventually it might lead to others trying to free ride and the overall structure of the business falls apart.

Tanking would destroy the NBA.

I understand all of this and I'm sure Hinkie did as well. The thing is he was the first one to not give a fukk and go for it anyways. That's why he deserves credit. "Anyone can do it" yet no one has done it. Hinkie did and he did it well.

Teams like the Warriors are also bad business moves. It destroys competitive balance and no one likes watching playoffs with a foregone conclusion, the ratings and interest will eventually fade yet no one is forcibly breaking up the Warriors, are they?

 

[Absolut]

other teams being smart and drafting embiid and his whole process is shat on by everyone. he hasnt done shyt. 2 teams decided not to draft embiid is the only reason we are even discussing the sixers potential after years blatant shyt product, and its potential that is a toss up at best

 

[WMG the 2nd]

This.

I can't believe there are idiots on here who think what he did was some genius move.

I did that shyt every year in 2K. Trading away all your decent players for draft picks. Scrubing the roster clean of any decent players then tanking to get the #1 pick. Anyone can do what he did.

The reason others haven't done it as flagrantly as the Sixers is because in the real world intentionally trying to lose in a business where competitive balance is important makes bad business sense.

Actually teams have been doing it for decades but they always put a gimmick or spin to it to distract the media and fans
Hinkie damn near admitting his process is the only reason why he got exited. That and him not giving a fukk about the media or having relationships with players he didn't plan on keeping. Brett brown answering gm questions is when it got heated for him. Other than that it was same ol same ol