Why isn't Sam Hinkie a coveted GM candidate?

[Swagnificent]

If this method worked the hornets would be golden state
They drafted in middle picks and got kemba walker mkg frank the tank and a bunch of nothing else
Drafting is a skill and hinkie was good at it

Every team is not supposed to succeed.

You guys are arguing for a position that is unrealistic. In sports there are winners and losers. And sometimes who wins and loses comes down to pure luck. The Warriors got lucky and landed star players in the late lottery and second round. Other teams didn't. Then so be it. Everyone is not supposed to be able to turn it around easily. Everyone is not supposed to be contender.

Stop looking at this like a fan of a team and look at it like an fan of the league. I don't know how anyone who actually likes the NBA could be down with tanking. Its essentially guarantees to eventually destroy the NBA if left unchecked. Sure as a fan of a team you're frustrated your team has been terrible for 10 years. But at least the NBA as a whole is still intact. If tanking became widespread, it would destroy the league in it's entirety.

 

[WMG the 2nd]

You're right that teams have tanked before. But only for one year. For example the Cavs tanked in 2010 after LeBron left them. They let go of vets like Mo Williams. What made the Sixers shyt unprecedented and flagrant is it was not a one year tank, it was a multi-year attempt to exploit loopholes in the rules.

I have no problem with a strategy like the Suns or Lakers had last year where once it's clear they are not making the playoffs, the sit the vets and play the young guys to give them experience but to also better their chances in the lottery. But doing what Philly did where you strip the whole roster apart for several years and fill it with nothing but NBDL players in an effort to accumulate many high first round picks is detrimental to the sport as a whole.

Once again I only ask you to imagine an NBA in which 10-12 teams tried this every year. How damaging would that be to the overall product of the NBA?

Stop looking at this from a micro perspective aka what is good for the Sixers. I have said many times the tanking strategy obviously is good for a team like the Sixers. But from a macro perspective aka the overall health of the league, strategies like tanking are incredibly damaging. And if unchecked might destroy the league entirely.

In a sport where competitive balance is important, you can't have half the league trying to lose. Cause if that happens, it destroys the league as a whole.

Bro around ten teams do try this every few years just that only one has ever decided to basically say out loud hat their intention was to tank for a few years and hen compete for titles

Lakers just did it, lakers have sucked he same amount of time as he sixers and have nothing as of yet that says they will be a competitive team either. Yet that's ok cause they never said it out loud? Orlando and kings are the same. You would rather have Divac fukking up every week or the pelicans gm fukk up every year but because they do one sexy trade or signing of a coach or whatever and people think they aren't still trying to be terrible or know how to fix shyt

 

[Swagnificent]

Ever heard of making your own luck?

You've been riding for Tatum and Ball, well how do you get those guys?

I've said a million times if you made me GM for the Sixers I would have done the same shyt Hinkle did. I've already stated kids do this shyt all the time in NBA 2K.

The only difference between me and you idiots is I'm looking at the big picture. I'm looking at this issue beyond the perspective of a fan of any one team. I'm looking at it as a fan of the league as a whole.

Having a league in which half the teams are not competiting to win year in and year out but are instead competing to be the first overall pick would be incredibly destructive. It would lead to the death of the NBA. You can't have people intentionally trying to lose in a sport built on competitive balance.

Maybe the reason I can see all this and you idiots can't is because I'm not a fan of any one team. I just like the NBA as a whole. And I root for players rather than teams. If you to beyond the fan point of view and look at this objectively as someone who just wants the best NBA possible, I don't know how you could view tanking as a good thing. It is incredibly destructive to the overall health and product of the NBA.

 

[horizon]

He had a non-compete that didn't end until this past May

 

[WMG the 2nd]

I've said a million times if you made me GM for the Sixers I would have done the same shyt Hinkle did. I've already stated kids do this shyt all the time in NBA 2K.

The only difference between me and you idiots is I'm looking at the big picture. I'm looking at this issue beyond the perspective of a fan of any one team. I'm looking at it as a fan of the league as a whole.

Having a league in which half the teams are not competiting to win year in and year out but are instead competing to be the first overall pick would be incredibly destructive. It would lead to the death of the NBA. You can't have people intentionally trying to lose in a sport built on competitive balance.

Maybe the reason I can see all this and you idiots can't is because I'm not a fan of any one team. I just like the NBA as a whole. And I root for players rather than teams. If you to beyond the fan point of view and look at this objectively as someone who just wants the best NBA possible, I don't know how you could view tanking as a good thing. It is incredibly destructive to the overall health and product of the NBA.

Every year three or more teams are tanking breh
Every year

Suns have been tanking the past few years like he lakers and the sixers
Nobody says shyt about the suns cause hey never openly said it same as the lakers tanking past two three seasons

 

[NatiboyB]

Dog, he's not this renowned general manager. I'm not going to say he sucks because he is knowledgeable in analytics and raped teams in trades for picks and drafted some good players. But this guy is known for tanking and is admired by NBA draft neckbeards.

He purposefully destroyed the core of the team and went through the worst losing stretch in NBA history, tanking is not good for the league, and being so outright about tanking ("Trust The Process") likely has him blackballed in the league.

I'm just saying Jrue and Bynum weren't going to take these guys far.

 

[Swagnificent]

Bro around ten teams do try this every few years just that only one has ever decided to basically say out loud hat their intention was to tank for a few years and hen compete for titles

Lakers just did it, lakers have sucked he same amount of time as he sixers and have nothing as of yet that says they will be a competitive team either. Yet that's ok cause they never said it out loud? Orlando and kings are the same. You would rather have Divac fukking up every week or the pelicans gm fukk up every year but because they do one sexy trade or signing of a coach or whatever and people think they aren't still trying to be terrible or know how to fix shyt

No they haven't. They signed Deng and Mosgov to huge contracts last summer. Two years ago they signed Lou Williams and traded for Roy Hibbert. In many ways these were idiotic moves. They would probably have been better served doing an outright tank like the Sixers. Their cap situation would be a lot better now. But they didn't do that. They tried to make the playoffs the last 2 years and failed miserably.

No one has ever done what the Sixers did. No one has stripped their roster down to just rookies and NBDL players for 3 consecutive years in an effort to land top draft picks. No one has refused sign free agents for 3 straight years when they maximum cap space. Nobody has done this as flagrantly and offensively as the Sixers.

Stop trying to equate what they did with what other people have done. The only time other teams have tried to tank like this is once the season looks lost like the Lakers did this year when they decided to sit out Deng and Mosgov.

If the Lakers were tanking the season, they wouldn't have signed Deng and Mosgov to huge deals in the summer. They were trying to win last year. They just happened to suck once again.

 

[Swagnificent]

Every year three or more teams are tanking breh
Every year

Suns have been tanking the past few years like he lakers and the sixers
Nobody says shyt about the suns cause hey never openly said it same as the lakers tanking past two three seasons

Suns signed Tyson Chandler a few years ago. They resigned Eric Bledsoe. They just turned out to be bad. They were not intentionally going into the last few season's with a plan to be terrible so they can get a high draft pick.

Same with the Lakers. They traded for Roy Hibbert two years ago and they signed Mosgov and Deng last year to huge contracts.

Both the Lakers and Suns tried to compete for the playoffs the last two years. However once it became obvious they were not going anywhere they started playing the young guys and sitting the vets.

What they did is nothing like what the Sixers have done.

 

[WMG the 2nd]

No they haven't. They signed Deng and Mosgov to huge contracts last summer. Two years ago they signed Lou Williams and traded for Roy Hibbert. In many ways these were idiotic moves. They would probably have been better served doing an outright tank like the Sixers. Their cap situation would be a lot better now. But they didn't do that. They tried to make the playoffs the last 2 years and failed miserably.

No one has ever done what the Sixers did. No one has stripped their roster down to just rookies and NBDL players for 3 consecutive years in an effort to land top draft picks. No one has refused sign free agents for 3 straight years when they maximum cap space. Nobody has done this as flagrantly and offensively as the Sixers.

Stop trying to equate what they did with what other people have done. The only time other teams have tried to tank like this is once the season looks lost like the Lakers did this year when they decided to sit out Deng and Mosgov.

If the Lakers were tanking the season, they wouldn't have signed Deng and Mosgov to huge deals in the summer. They were trying to win last year. They just happened to suck once again.

What's he difference between the sixers stripping their team versus the bobcats being the same exact thing when they were brought in as an expansion team? Bunch of lotto picks and terrible roster with borderline d league and terrible talent then they went all in got a hall of fame coach and a decent roster just to get swept wih Stephen Jackson as your star. This sixer team was in the same boat as that squad and now look at he bobcats hornets situation? Been back in he league for 12 years and have two playoff appearances both as 8th seeds and even when they tanked he first few seasons they don't build with consistency or logic

I'm saying you can hate on what hinkie did but don't say shyt when the talent and picks he acquired leads to the team being very good and very good for a while

If the sixers make the playoffs three or more straight seasons making it past the first round or two it's already a success and hinkie is vindicated

 

[WMG the 2nd]

Suns signed Tyson Chandler a few years ago. They resigned Eric Bledsoe. They just turned out to be bad. They were not intentionally going into the last few season's with a plan to be terrible so they can get a high draft pick.

Same with the Lakers. They traded for Roy Hibbert two years ago and they signed Mosgov and Deng last year to huge contracts.

Both the Lakers and Suns tried to compete for the playoffs the last two years. However once it became obvious they were not going anywhere they started playing the young guys and sitting the vets.

What they did is nothing like what the Sixers have done.

Fun fact, the point of a salary cap and a salary floor is why they signed Tyson chandler. It was a win win for he Suns. They get a former champion who hey can bring in for "leadership" and try and lure lamarcus Aldridge yet they weren't close at all to getting him. Now you at least paid a respectable vet enough money to not pay under the salary floor and can avoid penalties that come with being too far under the cap. That's what the sixers did as well except they traded and took back the terrible contracts other teams made and snatched away valuable picks in the process

Those picks value fluctuate depending on the cap room/draft strength/ etc but when you have a bunch of chances at potentially good talent it's better then paying for say mozgov and deng then having to figure out how to give them up to bad teams as a means of trying to fix mistakes you already made

 

[Swagnificent]

What's he difference between the sixers stripping their team versus the bobcats being the same exact thing when they were brought in as an expansion team? Bunch of lotto picks and terrible roster with borderline d league and terrible talent then they went all in got a hall of fame coach and a decent roster just to get swept wih Stephen Jackson as your star. This sixer team was in the same boat as that squad and now look at he bobcats hornets situation? Been back in he league for 12 years and have two playoff appearances both as 8th seeds and even when they tanked he first few seasons they don't build with consistency or logic

I'm saying you can hate on what hinkie did but don't say shyt when the talent and picks he acquired leads to the team being very good and very good for a while

If the sixers make the playoffs three or more straight seasons making it past the first round or two it's already a success and hinkie is vindicated

No he wouldn't. All he did was exploit an obvious loophole in the rules and benefited from the free rider problem.

The fact you think that turning the Sixers into a contender vindictates the strategy shows just how ignorant you are.

The issue here isn't whether tanking is good for the Sixers. The issue here is whether tanking is good for the NBA. It may or may not help the Sixers in the long run. It did however damage the NBA without a doubt. And if left unchecked would have ruined the sport entirely.

Whether the Sixers become good in no way vindactes a foolish and destructive strategy.

 

[WMG the 2nd]

No he wouldn't. All he did was exploit an obvious loophole in the rules and benefited from the free rider problem.

The fact you think that turning the Sixers into a contender vindictates the strategy shows just how ignorant you are.

The issue here isn't whether tanking is good for the Sixers. The issue here is whether tanking is good for the NBA. It may or may not help the Sixers in the long run. It did however damage the NBA without a doubt. And if left unchecked would have ruined the sport entirely.

Whether the Sixers become good in no way vindactes a foolish and destructive strategy.

No you tried to change the issue

The point of this thread is why is hinkie a gm candidate to people le and the reason being in three year she turned a "core" of jrue holiday and Evan turner and the remains of Bynum's corpse in to a plethora of asserts and three potneitally franchise altering players in fultz embid and Simmons and also wanted porzingas but was vetoed thus why he even got jahlil

 

[Detroit Wave]

Pistons need to hire him when his non compete clause is up

 

[WMG the 2nd]

Pistons need to hire him when his non compete clause is up

I agree gundy had the right idea but bad execution
Bring hinkie in and he will get a decent deal for Jackson or drummond

 

[x-factor7]

Pistons need to hire him when his non compete clause is up

I agree gundy had the right idea but bad execution
Bring hinkie in and he will get a decent deal for Jackson or drummond

Yes, wouldn't mind if this happened