Why was Mike Bibby drafted so high?

[I.AM.PIFF]

It's definitely crazy in retrospect that he was drafted several spots ahead of Dirk, Paul Pierce, and Vince Carter. But Bibby wasn't a disappointment at all - when they swapped out Jason Williams for him, the Kings went to another level.

He's not even disappointing in the context of #2 picks:

2nd Overall NBA Draft Picks

The list of terrible and whatever players from this list is

Stipanovich, Bowie (he got injured but w/e), Ferry, Bradley, Swift, both Williams, Milicic, Thabeet, Turner, MKG

 

[I.AM.PIFF]

On topic, the Grizzlies needed a PG and he was the best in the draft. Their PG was Antonio Daniels who had been traded to the Spurs during draft night.

 

[thatrapsfan]

On topic, the Grizzlies needed a PG and he was the best in the draft. Their PG was Antonio Daniels who had been traded to the Spurs during draft night.

This thread would make more sense if it was about Antonio Daniels. He was the real disappointment at his draft position.

 

[I.AM.PIFF]

This thread would make more sense if it was about Antonio Daniels. He was the real disappointment at his draft position.

Exactly, and the Grizz gave up on him after just a season of play

Lowkey, the 97 draft wasn't that good. TD & Billups were great but also drafted before Daniels. Other than McGrady, the rest was mostly role players and Stack Jack who was a late pick anyway (and took years to succeed in the league).

 

[I_Got_Da_Burna]

He dogged Fisher in that Kings/Lakers series something vicious

they had to put Kobe on him

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Jamison, Cat, Shard all had better careers than Bibby. Ricky would have, if he wasn't a knucklehead. Matter of fact, I'm going Al Harrington as well.

Ain't like any of those guys ever won a title or made an All-NBA team. And they all had careers of similar length. So you're basically looking at: how much playoff success did they have and how much did they matter to good teams?

Al Harrington started 7 playoff games in his entire career. He wasn't a guy that mattered at any point.

Jamison only saw the second round twice, and one of those times was when he was with the Cavs and absolutely sucked.

Rashard actually mattered as a scoring stretch four for a little bit, especially when he went to Orlando. But he was a tool that was used well a couple years, it wasn't like he was leading that team.

Cuttino? Ricky Davis? You serious?


You pretty much just listed some guys who racked up mediocre scoring totals for shyt teams and called that a career. Harrington and Mobley NEVER mattered in the NBA like that. Jamison and Rashard were, at best, sidekicks on suspect rosters.


In 2002 Bibby was a clear top-two player for a team that was up 3-2 in the WCF and was one fixed quarter away from an NBA title. The next year he took the 2003 Mavs to 7 games even after Webber got knocked out for the season in game 2. Then they were one Peja three....TWICE... from beating the 2004 Timberwolves. When he went to the Hawks he immediately pulled them into the playoffs and took the 66-win Celtics to 7, then beat Wade the next year. He was the starting point guard for ten playoff teams and won nine playoff series.

Again, none of these guys were ever All-NBA level or won a title. But Bibby actually led good teams, was a player that mattered from the beginning of his career to the end. If you measure a career by how much winning you do and how much you personally contribute to that winning, Bibby easily had the beast career of them.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Career average 14 and 5 per game

I see, so you're another one of those ppg guys.


No need to know anything else at all as long as you know how many ppg they scored.

 

[ahomeplateslugger]

you are bugging. bibby was a great player and had a great NBA career for a #2 pick. he turned that kings team into championship contenders and was still a good player for atlanta.

One detail y'all are overlooking is that Vancouver selected Bibby. The Grizzles were a struggle franchise that few bruhs wanted to sign with, because Vancouver seemed like Siberia to them. More than likely Bibby's agent told them he had no problem playing for the grizzles, while other top picks said "naw", which forced their hand. Stevie Franchise refusing to sign with them the following year killed that organization dead.

Also this was the 90s where the formula for organizations was pairing a young PG with a young center. I guess the grizzles were drafting for need versus the best talent available, and thought they were building a foundation by joining Bibby with bum ass big country.

The bigger question is why Piru Piece went so damn low. I get why dirk did because international scouting was poo in the 90s, but Pierce came from a big school and was a big time talent. He almost wasnt a lottery pick. fukk were these lottery teams thinkin'?

seems like teams in the past drafted based on needs and if a player was able to contribute right away rather than potential. from what i remember pierce didn't have a good tournament run so that possibly lowered his stock. still crazy that jason williams was taken before him.

 

[I.AM.PIFF]

Ain't like any of those guys ever won a title or made an All-NBA team. And they all had careers of similar length. So you're basically looking at: how much playoff success did they have and how much did they matter to good teams?

Al Harrington started 7 playoff games in his entire career. He wasn't a guy that mattered at any point.

Jamison only saw the second round twice, and one of those times was when he was with the Cavs and absolutely sucked.

Rashard actually mattered as a scoring stretch four for a little bit, especially when he went to Orlando. But he was a tool that was used well a couple years, it wasn't like he was leading that team.

Cuttino? Ricky Davis? You serious?


You pretty much just listed some guys who racked up mediocre scoring totals for shyt teams and called that a career. Harrington and Mobley NEVER mattered in the NBA like that. Jamison and Rashard were, at best, sidekicks on suspect rosters.


In 2002 Bibby was a clear top-two player for a team that was up 3-2 in the WCF and was one fixed quarter away from an NBA title. The next year he took the 2003 Mavs to 7 games even after Webber got knocked out for the season in game 2. Then they were one Peja three....TWICE... from beating the 2004 Timberwolves. When he went to the Hawks he immediately pulled them into the playoffs and took the 66-win Celtics to 7, then beat Wade the next year. He was the starting point guard for ten playoff teams and won nine playoff series.

Again, none of these guys were ever All-NBA level or won a title. But Bibby actually led good teams, was a player that mattered from the beginning of his career to the end. If you measure a career by how much winning you do and how much you personally contribute to that winning, Bibby easily had the beast career of them.

I'll also say he probably had the most "heart" out of those Sacto teams as C-Webb/Peja often choked or played below their standards.

 

[Frump]

He made his career off that Kings Laker series where he took advantage of lazy Shaq on the pick n rolls and hit about 100 wide open midrange jumpers that series

 

[MJ Truth]

i know he was coming off a National Championship and when I look at NBAdraft.net there was no current player who he can be compared too. He was a disappointment but I wanted to know what made him go so high?

By what metric? I've NEVER heard anyone call Mike Bibby a disappointment or anything like that.

 

[MJ Truth]

Jamison, Cat, Shard all had better careers than Bibby. Ricky would have, if he wasn't a knucklehead. Matter of fact, I'm going Al Harrington as well.

Nah.

None of those guys were ever the leading or second leading player on a team that accomplished what Bibby did with the Kings. Saying Al Harrington had a better career than Mike Bibby is just ridiculous. The only arguable person on your list is Jamison.

 

[mrken12]

Bibby and that other honeycomb cat miles simon eliminated god shamgod in '97 in the elite eight

I haven't heard that name in years.

 

[JackRoss]

He made his career off that Kings Laker series where he took advantage of lazy Shaq on the pick n rolls and hit about 100 wide open midrange jumpers that series

You mad because he was doing what the fukk he was suppose to do? Should have missed the shots?? Should he have altered his play because of "lazy Shaq"? The way people like you try to discredit people says a lot about who you are.. Go play in traffic

 

[thatrapsfan]

Ain't like any of those guys ever won a title or made an All-NBA team. And they all had careers of similar length. So you're basically looking at: how much playoff success did they have and how much did they matter to good teams?

Al Harrington started 7 playoff games in his entire career. He wasn't a guy that mattered at any point.

Jamison only saw the second round twice, and one of those times was when he was with the Cavs and absolutely sucked.

Rashard actually mattered as a scoring stretch four for a little bit, especially when he went to Orlando. But he was a tool that was used well a couple years, it wasn't like he was leading that team.

Cuttino? Ricky Davis? You serious?


You pretty much just listed some guys who racked up mediocre scoring totals for shyt teams and called that a career. Harrington and Mobley NEVER mattered in the NBA like that. Jamison and Rashard were, at best, sidekicks on suspect rosters.


In 2002 Bibby was a clear top-two player for a team that was up 3-2 in the WCF and was one fixed quarter away from an NBA title. The next year he took the 2003 Mavs to 7 games even after Webber got knocked out for the season in game 2. Then they were one Peja three....TWICE... from beating the 2004 Timberwolves. When he went to the Hawks he immediately pulled them into the playoffs and took the 66-win Celtics to 7, then beat Wade the next year. He was the starting point guard for ten playoff teams and won nine playoff series.

Again, none of these guys were ever All-NBA level or won a title. But Bibby actually led good teams, was a player that mattered from the beginning of his career to the end. If you measure a career by how much winning you do and how much you personally contribute to that winning, Bibby easily had the beast career of them.

These dudes must be really young and can only remember Bibby from the Knicks and Heat. Dude had an impressive basketball career from college to pros, period.