You better find a passion black man

[Cape Town JHB]

Passions are subjective, the payoff on mountain biking can be just as euphoric as it is on year 1 as it is on year 5

Its very subjective, as long as growth is happening you are reaping the rewards

I've been making music for 5 years and the growth has been massive but its still just as fulfilling now as it was when I first started

There is no peak, its a constant progress, if that was the case you're telling me the first 19 years of your 20 year journey was dog shyt but suddenly on year 20 you got the big payoff

The real euphoria comes from learning and growth, its not a big payoff

The process and the product is the most rewarding and as long as incremental progress is being made, you will be happy... Because it is your passion

The JOURNEY is everything

What you're talking about is MASTERY

I agree.

But you guys seem to not wanna point out that no matter how enjoyable your passion is, it still takes a lot of hard work to cultivate it

 

[Cape Town JHB]

Breh- you know how people many discover golf as a passion in their 50's and 60's? And while they may never become professional golfers, this does not take away from the fact that it provides an outlet for enjoyment and fulfillment.

The point is- we all should continue opening our horizons to new activities/learning new things. You may find out that you enjoy something, or may be extremely talented, in a particularly area that you never would have considered unless you tried new things.

Okay I understand and see your point.

 

[African Peasant]

What person has discovered a passion at 67?
Or better put, what people who are almost 70 become passionate about anything NEW in your real life experience

I don't understand how a person can be passionate about "Jazz" without understanding instrumentation?..

How can you be passionate about cars with no understanding the mechanical engineering genius behind it.

I've heard people espouse this lazy talk that you can just discover a passion on whim.

But from real life experience, I fell in love with various things growing up, but I had to dedicate time, effort and resources to cultivate and nurture that FEELING.

You can "feel" something when you go watch a live boxing match, but after that, it's on you to learn all you can about boxing history, the various weight classes, boxing styles, legends and eras... Which in turn further fuels your passion.

As far as your point on escapism, the very nature of the reality you're living now (organized human society) is a form of escapism in of itself.
That's gonna take us to a conversation about existentialism... Which is not what the thread is about

That's the passion (the bolded). The rest is the CONSEQUENCES of that passion. You don't choose to fall in love; you just do.

You don't need to understand instrumentation to fall in love with jazz. It's passion, not reason... You don't need a reason.

It's not lazy talk, it's the very nature of a passion. I can decide to spend a lot of time to become a specialist in computers in order to make money. It does not make it a passion. A passion, by definition, has no reason.

If it's calculate, rationnal, it's not a passion. It's something else.

 

[Cape Town JHB]

That's the passion (the bolded). The rest is the CONSEQUENCES of that passion. You don't choose to fall in love; you just do.

You don't need to understand instrumentation to fall in love with jazz. It's passion, not reason... You don't need a reason.

It's not lazy talk, it's the very nature of a passion. I can decide to spend a lot of time to become a specialist in computers in order to make money. It does not make it a passion. A passion, by definition, has no reason.

If it's calculate, rationnal, it's not a passion. It's something else.

My argument is that a passion expresses itself as BOTH things at the same time.

It's both an irrational feeling and a calculated decision/discipline over time.

You don't need to know instruments to get bitten by the Jazz bug, but you will NOT listen to Jazz for even 2 years after that big bites you, without discovering who and what you're listening to.

I'm saying the natural progression of a passionate is the "in love" phase, followed by the dedication phase

 

[African Peasant]

My argument is that a passion expresses itself as BOTH things at the same time.

It's both an irrational feeling and a calculated decision/discipline over time.

You don't need to know instruments to get bitten by the Jazz bug, but you will NOT listen to Jazz for even 2 years after that big bites you, without discovering who and what you're listening to.

I'm saying the natural progression of a passionate is the "in love" phase, followed by the dedication phase

I see your point (the bolded).
However, the "dedication phase" you're talking about is not really passion anymore. Passion is self driven. A passion consumes you, you don't lead it. When you start disciplining yourself it's not passion anymore. We sometimes use the word passion in those situations but it's an improper use. Passion is automatic pilot. You're so attracted by something that you can't do without it, that's not dedication, that's being consumed by your passion. You basically lose your freewill.

However, out of passion, after the passion, you can develop a more sane loving relationship with something. You learn to love it. It's basically became an habit, a second nature. That's not passion anymore. Here you have a "reason" to love it.You might have find the beauty in that thing.

It's like with a woman. You can really love a woman only after the passion is gone. As long as your passion for her is burning your heart; you're attracted to her like a zombie, it's not love. Not yet. And it does not requires any effort or dedication.

 

[Um. Ghouls]

My argument is that a passion expresses itself as BOTH things at the same time.

It's both an irrational feeling and a calculated decision/discipline over time.

You don't need to know instruments to get bitten by the Jazz bug, but you will NOT listen to Jazz for even 2 years after that big bites you, without discovering who and what you're listening to.

I'm saying the natural progression of a passionate is the "in love" phase, followed by the dedication phase

I think you're getting passion and mastery mixed up breh

 

[Thanos]

Time & Money allow you those luxuries.

 

[Neuromancer]

Time & Money allow you those luxuries.

Does that some how negate my statements?

 

[NoirDynosaur]

Hobbies and a purpose are crucial. A form of escapism from the mundane reality.

The reason, I enjoy the arts because it turns you into a creator. Currently, you can find me learning how to play a bunch of musical instruments, including guitar and bass. Bass is way easier since it's less strings, guitar, I feel like I'm in a goddamn maze

 

[Neuromancer]

Hobbies and a purpose are crucial. A form of escapism from the mundane reality.

The reason, I enjoy the arts because it turns you into a creator. Currently, you can find me learning how to play a bunch of musical instruments, including guitar and bass. Bass is way easier since it's less strings, guitar, I feel like I'm in a goddamn maze

The guitar has a lot of notes to go over.

 

[Antwon Mitchell]

I don't know about “passions” but I know what I can do and enjoy doing it...

 

[Thanos]

Does that some how negate my statements?

Well, the source of their unfulfillment is the lack of resources to explore and time to really enjoy things. Most people live by paycheck to paycheck, and the time they get back home, it's 6-7pm in the day and they tired.

 

[Cryptocurrency Scarface]

I see a lot of young men unfulfilled by dating and their jobs. Well you better find something to love. Some shyt that other people don't control that you can do and immerse yourself in it. Study it become obsessed with it in a sense. I'm telling you this will save you. It will save your life.



I know dudes will come in saying "My passion is getting money or p*ssy ect. "

All shyt someone else controls. That means they can control you. Some of ya'll will laugh at this and so what. But for those of you that follow this, you will be happier for it.


My passion is writing and then MMA.

My passion is killing me inside

but I’m doing it so that I don’t live with regret

 

[Neuromancer]

Well, the source of their unfulfillment is the lack of resources to explore and time to really enjoy things. Most people live by paycheck to paycheck, and the time they get back home, it's 6-7pm in the day and they tired.

If you write you don't really need but pen and paper.

 

[Neuromancer]

My passion is killing me inside

but I’m doing it so that I don’t live with regret

What is your passion?