What did Pimp C do that made him a target?
Why does Jay-Z have 12 platinum albums, and 50/nelly/DMX can only sell albums to close friends?
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What did Pimp C do that made him a target?
Strategic partnerships and riding with new talent... That's it
Getting with Beyonce has introduced him to her female fan base....
And by having Rihanna and Kanye under his wing....He essentially taps into newer younger fans/markets
Wayne is following said blueprint by having Drake and Nicki as his underlings....
The key here is finding the people who got next and getting them under you early.......so as their fanbases and superstardom grows .....yours do too
50 alienated the whole industry and had the game in a chokehold for 4 years straight..... even Jay had to fail back
DMX is unstable and too street......talented but just beyond help
Nelly was always pop breh......
Getting with Beyonce has introduced him to her female fan base....
And by having Rihanna and Kanye under his wing....He essentially taps into newer younger fans/markets
Wayne is following said blueprint by having Drake and Nicki as his underlings....
The key here is finding the people who got next and getting them under you early.......so as their fanbases and superstardom grows .....yours do too
50 alienated the whole industry and had the game in a chokehold for 4 years straight..... even Jay had to fail back
DMX is unstable and too street......talented but just beyond help
Nelly was always pop breh......
ok, let me counterNo counter argument to anything I said huh
No surprise, Nas been trying to be a boss like Jay for a few years now
Probably going to marry a Beyonce lookalike asap
we all know jay been trying for decades to get nas on a record.it is well documented and i won't go into detail (you know to fulfill a childhood dream of his i guess) so being the kind god that he is, nas finally obliged!
you acting like nas has not been entrepreneurial for years now. come on now!!!
nas been owning rock the bells,guerilla union among other things for years now. he is just not very public about it like you-know-who!!!
we probably would've never known about his businesses,if it wasn't for kelis spilling the beans.dude is very private.
i will admit, i don't know the entire not selling liquor story (correct me if i'm wrong but he never said masses-he said youth), but at the same time let's not act like nas has not been rapping about hennessey since illmatic.
it's a good match for him,so he made that move. nikka changed his mind - guess what!! humans do that sometimes!! but if i'm wrong i'll take my L for this one!!
as far as him marrying a bey look-a-like. breh, it was nas who turned down bey and last time i checked, it was jay who had nas' sloppy seconds(carmen)!!
Julius Skrrvin
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ok, let me counter
we all know jay been trying for decades to get nas on a record.it is well documented and i won't go into detail (you know to fulfill a childhood dream of his i guess) so being the kind god that he is, nas finally obliged!
you acting like nas has not been entrepreneurial for years now. come on now!!!
nas been owning rock the bells,guerilla union among other things for years now. he is just not very public about it like you-know-who!!!
we probably would've never known about his businesses,if it wasn't for kelis spilling the beans.dude is very private.
i will admit, i don't know the entire not selling liquor story (correct me if i'm wrong but he never said masses-he said youth), but at the same time let's not act like nas has not been rapping about hennessey since illmatic.
it's a good match for him,so he made that move. nikka changed his mind - guess what!! humans do that sometimes!! but if i'm wrong i'll take my L for this one!!
as far as him marrying a bey look-a-like. breh, it was nas who turned down bey and last time i checked, it was jay who had nas' sloppy seconds(carmen)!!
anyway, this ain't that serious. have a good evening!!!
Is it Oochie Wally or is it One Mic? Is it fukk Jay-Z, or you wanna be just like Shawn
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Jay Z never believed in Kanye before he became successful and thats a fact jack. He's a helluva opportunist tho
"You stole Kanye from Dame", I think ill go with Killas word over yours
"A idol in my eyes,
god of the game
Heart of the City, Roc-a-Fella chain
Never be the same, never be another
Number one, Young Hov, also my big brother"
yeah i think i'm gonna go with Ye's word over cams
and i thought Dame made all the important decisions at Roc-a-Fella, why didn't he make another Kanye
Julius Skrrvin
I be winkin' through the scope
"A idol in my eyes,
god of the game
Heart of the City, Roc-a-Fella chain
Never be the same, never be another
Number one, Young Hov, also my big brother"
yeah i think i'm gonna go with Ye's word over cams
and i thought Dame made all the important decisions at Roc-a-Fella, why didn't he make another Kanye
The truth is, Jay-Z understands that he has to develop continuously, and to use trends without making them the focus of the album and dikkriding. (entirely)
His albums are good. MCHG was a good album, it may not be better than Reasonable Doubt, but it was still a good album.
He has made himself a mainstay in hip-hop, when you think rap music, you think Jay-Z.
He has marketed himself in a lot of other ways, without prostituting himself.
50 Cent and DMX are not even remotely versatile. They could have made all the moves he made, and married Beyonce, and would still flop.
Nelly never really seemed as invested in himself, his popularity was pop-rap from the very beginning, and he hasn't really grown past that.
Jay-Z understands, excellent beats and production + solid verses + great marketing + good collaborations = a good album. And he does it for all of them. He simply understands the game.
His albums are good. MCHG was a good album, it may not be better than Reasonable Doubt, but it was still a good album.
He has made himself a mainstay in hip-hop, when you think rap music, you think Jay-Z.
He has marketed himself in a lot of other ways, without prostituting himself.
50 Cent and DMX are not even remotely versatile. They could have made all the moves he made, and married Beyonce, and would still flop.
Nelly never really seemed as invested in himself, his popularity was pop-rap from the very beginning, and he hasn't really grown past that.
Jay-Z understands, excellent beats and production + solid verses + great marketing + good collaborations = a good album. And he does it for all of them. He simply understands the game.
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solange won
now who's not countering!!!
oochie wally isn't even a nas song
and as an artist nas would say - it is both oochie wally and one mic!!
he is an artist first and foremost and thus spoke on both!!
and how does nas wanna be like sean???
HE IS NAS!!!
Julius Skrrvin
I be winkin' through the scope
now who's not countering!!!
oochie wally isn't even a nas song
and as an artist nas would say - it is both oochie wally and one mic!!
he is an artist first and foremost and thus spoke on both!!
and how does nas wanna be like sean???
HE IS NAS!!!
Because he's trying to make music like his...
Because he's trying to make moves like Jay has...
Nas even orchestrated Illmatic live like Jay did years ago
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have you ever seen a great artist publically stan another man the way Ye did on Big Brother? Dude was struggling with #dualities of admiring Jay and being in his shadow and competing with him
voice crackling and errthang
but thats probably because he was thinking of his fond moments with Dame
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Irrelevant, never said Dame made Kanye"A idol in my eyes,
god of the game
Heart of the City, Roc-a-Fella chain
Never be the same, never be another
Number one, Young Hov, also my big brother"
yeah i think i'm gonna go with Ye's word over cams
and i thought Dame made all the important decisions at Roc-a-Fella, why didn't he make another Kanye
Where in that song Big Brother does Kanye talk about Jay Z believing in him like Dame did? Nowhere, just because Jay was his idol doesnt mean that Jay didnt steal Kanye.. Kanye just happened to like him more as a person because hes well.. Jay Z and agreeing to be stolen would help him more than staying loyal to Dame
Big brother got his show up in Madison Square
And I'm like yea, yea we gonna be there
But not only did I not get a chance to spit it
Carleen told me I could buy two tickets
I guess big brother was thinking a little different
Kept little brother at bay, at a distance
Put everything I felt was more focused
Only made me more focused
Only wrote more potent
Only thing I wanna know is why I get looked over
I guess ill understand when I get more older
Big brother saw me at the bottom of the todum
Now I'm at the top and everybody on the scrodum
Whole verse about Jay Z not giving a fukk about him until he got hot now hes on his scrotum
Sausageman
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Kanye >> Camel
So let's compare the fact that Jay Z with Swizz - On to the Next One. Nas with Swizz = Summer on Smash
.People need to accept that Jay Z can flow over any type of production and make any song hot and that + marketing + a core fan base is why he's always relevant. People make up all these excuses when the answer is right there. All of Jay Z's contemporaries were only good at one type of sound or style and when the public tired of that sound, all the energy around them was gone. It's that simple, people who embody trends will sell more than him when that trend is the thing, and then fade away when the trend dies down. NO matter what the sound is, it always seems like a Jay record when he's on it and like he's co-opting whats hot as opposed to riding what's hot. That and his albums never sound like anyone else's album that came out that year or his previous album.