ShenJingPoQi
All Star
So you want to use history as your centre piece of your argument. Sure, we shall do this. All this does is strengthening my argument and point.
Firstly,
Fruits are a rarity in nature. In nature, fruits come around seasonally; just for around 3 months around spring. They aren’t abundant in nature. Fruits in their nature form are extremely small and don’t have enough carbs to knock you out of ketosis. Fruits are more fructose base than glucose than. Fructose doesn’t raise insulin thus itself cannot knock you of ketosis. Majority of the fruits in the modern world are through cross breeding or GMO, they didn't exist just a mere hundred years ago in this modern state.
Vegetables AREN’T nature. Vegetables majority of them are cross bred and didn’t exist a mere 500 years ago. And much like fruits, vegetables are a rarity in nature and cannot provide enough calories and carbs WITHOUT modern mechanized agriculture.
People weren’t in a ketogenic state previously because of fasting. People were ALREADY in a ketogenic. Unless they grew up on agriculture based civilisations.
I’m directly from a traditional African civilisation. My grandparents told me directly all they ate was dairy and meat, hardly EVER touched vegetation. In majority of African societies and civilisations animal fat and protein is KING. The most robust, tallest ethnic groups in Africa just eat milk and meat. Products like Butter, Ghee, and Dairy were most prized, especially for nomadic groups. My grandparents taught me directly that eating the fat of the animals is the most important.
You are UNDERESTIMATING the importance of animal fat and protein; livestock is used as currency, marriage gifts and used in traditional celebrations. In groups like the Massai, women eat lightly while men feast on dairy and milk.
I used to do weight lifting years ago, specifically lower body. Definitely helps with maintaining weight goals even without dietary restrictions.Did keto for 5 months straight.. explained it all in the keto thread in the gym subforum. All the weight comes back eventually
Even if you start eating limited carbs and sugar, it comes back eventually. Eating healthy is one thing, but ultimately WEIGHT LIFTING will keep the fat off and boost your metabolism and have you looking toned/thick/ripped whatever.
Me too. That was the go to late night drunken revelry food we’d eat back in Kagawa. In Japan there would be ramen stands open at like 3:00am,m. We’d get back from the clubs and stop and get delicious late night ramen. So good!Absolutely love ramen. I used to go to a ramen shop at least once a week before everything shut down.
Day 2
Pork Belly is gone! (All my friends demolished that shyt while we started watching Ozark last night.)
So today is ribeye steak 6oz and salad. I basically cook a 12oz steak and cut it in half b/c I can’t eat the whole thing in one sitting. Pick a ribeye with a lot of marbling in it.
To cook steak, I allow it to get to room temperature. Do a dry rub of seasonings on it.
Then I sauté garlic and thyme in a pan with organic butter and coconut oil. I sear the steak on high heat on both sides for a couple of minutes. I like my steak medium well with just a tiny bit of pink inside. Take it off the heat, let it sit b/c it’s still cooking away from heat.
For salad, I do spinach, romaine, fresh tomatoes, sun-dried tomatoes, cucumbers, French onions, peppers, avocado, feta cheese. Homemade Greek dressing -extra virgin olive oil, vinegar, finely minced garlic, feta cheese, Italian seasoning, onion powder, garlic powder, parsley, salt and pepper. It’s so good.
I haven’t eaten anything yet today. Going to have some water and coffee and go walking on the greenways. I’ll come back and have a protein shake.
Pork Belly is gone! (All my friends demolished that shyt while we started watching Ozark last night.)
So today is ribeye steak 6oz and salad. I basically cook a 12oz steak and cut it in half b/c I can’t eat the whole thing in one sitting. Pick a ribeye with a lot of marbling in it.
To cook steak, I allow it to get to room temperature. Do a dry rub of seasonings on it.
Then I sauté garlic and thyme in a pan with organic butter and coconut oil. I sear the steak on high heat on both sides for a couple of minutes. I like my steak medium well with just a tiny bit of pink inside. Take it off the heat, let it sit b/c it’s still cooking away from heat.
For salad, I do spinach, romaine, fresh tomatoes, sun-dried tomatoes, cucumbers, French onions, peppers, avocado, feta cheese. Homemade Greek dressing -extra virgin olive oil, vinegar, finely minced garlic, feta cheese, Italian seasoning, onion powder, garlic powder, parsley, salt and pepper. It’s so good.
I haven’t eaten anything yet today. Going to have some water and coffee and go walking on the greenways. I’ll come back and have a protein shake.
Step into my office and lets discuss termsLol peer pressure doesn’t work on me.
I ate a lot today.
breakfast:4 pieces of turkey bacon and roasted radishes
lunch: jicama sticks with cumin salt garlic and onion powder in air fryer with 1 1/2 salmon cake(used almond flour and mayo to bind)
dinner: lemon garlic herb flounder in air fryer
Total carbs: 16. I’m done eating for the day. Just water.
breakfast:4 pieces of turkey bacon and roasted radishes
lunch: jicama sticks with cumin salt garlic and onion powder in air fryer with 1 1/2 salmon cake(used almond flour and mayo to bind)
dinner: lemon garlic herb flounder in air fryer
Total carbs: 16. I’m done eating for the day. Just water.
Bboystyle
FIRE MATT LAFLEUR
@ anyone taking advice from this fat fukk troll.
No..Money..Mo..Problems
it is what it is
Do this
Give up sugary foods
Eat between 5-9pm
You will lose weight faster and you can still eat whatever you want minus sugary foods. Guarantee you will lose alot of weight quickly and feel alot better.
Your body burns sugar first and than carbs. With little to no sugar you will burn whatever you ate yesterday during your fast the next day.
Give up sugary foods
Eat between 5-9pm
You will lose weight faster and you can still eat whatever you want minus sugary foods. Guarantee you will lose alot of weight quickly and feel alot better.
Your body burns sugar first and than carbs. With little to no sugar you will burn whatever you ate yesterday during your fast the next day.
I did it last year and lost 30 lbs pretty quickly
Eggs and sausage ever morning
Black berries for snack/lunch
Diet Sweet Tea for drink (and of course water)
Steak & broccoli or
Salmon & Cauliflower rice or
Veggie pasta meals with sausage and sugar free pasta sauce for dinner
for candy, I only chew Pur gum which is sugar free
I’ve been able to keep the weight off by not going back to regular rice or pasta and sticking with cauliflower rice, veggie pasta and diet tea during the week and cheat on weekends
Soda, rice, candy and dinner rolls can kill you
I used go thru about 4 or 5 jolly ranchers a day, never again
Eggs and sausage ever morning
Black berries for snack/lunch
Diet Sweet Tea for drink (and of course water)
Steak & broccoli or
Salmon & Cauliflower rice or
Veggie pasta meals with sausage and sugar free pasta sauce for dinner
for candy, I only chew Pur gum which is sugar free
I’ve been able to keep the weight off by not going back to regular rice or pasta and sticking with cauliflower rice, veggie pasta and diet tea during the week and cheat on weekends
Soda, rice, candy and dinner rolls can kill you
I used go thru about 4 or 5 jolly ranchers a day, never again
Exactly.
Its why the most unhealthy foods for us are foods that were created by man. Carbs that come from grains like bread, rice, and pasta lead to obesity because those foods aren't natural but rather were created by human ingenuity as a way of feeding large populations. Our bodies never evolved to handle food like bread and refined sugars which is why they are so unhealthy for us.
The healthiest way of living is to imagine the foods our ancestors 100,000 years ago had access to and eating those foods cause those are the foods our bodies evolved to process. That means eating mostly fruits, vegetables, and animal products. Things like bread, rice, and refinee sugars should be avoided.
So you want to use history as your centre piece of your argument. Sure, we shall do this. All this does is strengthening my argument and point.
Firstly,
Fruits are a rarity in nature. In nature, fruits come around seasonally; just for around 3 months around spring. They aren’t abundant in nature. Fruits in their nature form are extremely small and don’t have enough carbs to knock you out of ketosis. Fruits are more fructose base than glucose than. Fructose doesn’t raise insulin thus itself cannot knock you of ketosis. Majority of the fruits in the modern world are through cross breeding or GMO, they didn't exist just a mere hundred years ago in this modern state.
Vegetables AREN’T nature. Vegetables majority of them are cross bred and didn’t exist a mere 500 years ago. And much like fruits, vegetables are a rarity in nature and cannot provide enough calories and carbs WITHOUT modern mechanized agriculture.
People weren’t in a ketogenic state previously because of fasting. People were ALREADY in a ketogenic. Unless they grew up on agriculture based civilisations.
I’m directly from a traditional African civilisation. My grandparents told me directly all they ate was dairy and meat, hardly EVER touched vegetation. In majority of African societies and civilisations animal fat and protein is KING. The most robust, tallest ethnic groups in Africa just eat milk and meat. Products like Butter, Ghee, and Dairy were most prized, especially for nomadic groups. My grandparents taught me directly that eating the fat of the animals is the most important.
You are UNDERESTIMATING the importance of animal fat and protein; livestock is used as currency, marriage gifts and used in traditional celebrations. In groups like the Massai, women eat lightly while men feast on dairy and milk.
First of all, using groups like the Maasai and other nomadic pastoralists as a model for how our ancestors lived for most of our history is a mistake. Pastoralism (which is defined as living off the subsitence of domesticated animals) is as new to human society as agriculture and farming. Both came to human society is roughly the last 10,000 years. Humans have been on this planet for roughly 200,000 years according to modern science. So for 95% of human history we were neither farmers nor herders. Our ancestors were hunter-gatherers for almost all of human history. And it is in this lifestyle (hunter-gatherer) that our bodies evolved.
So with all due respect to the pastoralists you cited, their diets are just as unnatural when it comes to our biology as the modern day Western diet of processed foods. When you look at hunter-gatherer societies that persist to this day like the Bushmen/San People of Southern Africa (which are the best modern analog for how our ancestors lived for most of our history), you will see they regularly go for days without food as they track the animals they hunt. Then when they do make the kill, they eat the entire animal in a day. Its with these cycles of feasting and fasting that our bodies evolved for 95% of our history. So stop looking at the Maasai as the blueprint for how we should live and instead look to the Bushmen and other hunter-gatherers around the world.
Next, you seem to be misinformed on the particulars of the keto diet and how fruits and meat affect insulin. Fruits don't contain just fructose, they also contain sucrose (aka good ole sugar). Here is a link explaining it: Sucrose vs Glucose vs Fructose: What's the Difference?
All sugars (even fructose) raise insulin levels. Fructose just doesn't do it as much as sucrose or glucose which is why eating fruits is preferred to eating just sucrose or glucose. But nonetheless if you consume enough fruits it will raise your insulin given the fructose and sucrose in them. Its why many of the biggest Keto diet proponents on the internet advice people on which fruits to eat and how much. If fruits couldn't knock you out of ketosis these videos and articles wouldn't exist.
You also mention meat being main parts of our ancestors diet. I agree with that. But once again you are showing your ignorance. A high protein diet is not keto. If you consume lots of protein (which our ancestors did) then you will still spike your insulin level and be knocked out of ketosis. In the absence of carbs, the body will take excess protein and convert it to glucose. Here is an article on that: 5 Most Common Low-Carb Mistakes (And How to Avoid Them)
This is why I am against the keto diet. It is unnatural because its not only low carb but also pretty low on protein. Its a diet on mostly eating fats.
Once again, our ancestors were not trying to avoid foods available in nature so they could stay in ketosis. They got into ketosis by FASTING. Because the biggest difference between the past and now is how OFTEN we eat. In the past our ancestors would regularly go days without food before they made a kill. Then they would feast. Its these cycles of feasting and fasting that our bodies evolved to handle. Our bodies didn't evolve to eating 3 small meals a day made up of mostly fats or gouging on milk like the pastoralists you talk about.
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Uptown WaYo87
HARLEM/BX
Vegetables and berries are essential in the keto diet. You can get away with most fruit n i still believe be in ketosis but if you want to follow a strict carb intake you just stick to berries
Keto isnt just about eating fat its just your main source of energy now
Sounds delicious!
Thanks guys!
