A comment on the election being about racism

[Camile.Bidan]

I'm sorry, but no. The reason Trump won was 'cism. No ifs, ands, or buts about it.


It's true that racists would be likely to vote Republican anyway, but Trump got racists out that don't usually vote. The reason I can say this is because there's pretty much no other reason to vote Trump. It's not like people were voting for Trump because of his policy initiatives or political experience. There's no way you're convincing me that his excellent and well thought out trade policy was his main draw.


And him doing slightly better with minorities than Romney isn't say much considering how abysmal Romney's numbers were.

You just don't get it.

People said screw the establishment.

Bernie more than likely would have pounced on trump.

 

[acri1]

You mean you're not inspired to know that Mexicans and Asians are stealing American jobs?

how did I miss it

Purely an economic message, no racist undertones whatsoever

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

He articulated a protectionist neo-merchantilist economic policy that resonated with alot of white blue collar voters. Other members of the GOP would never spout such a policy because they believe on some level international free trade, Trump basically said screw neo-classical economics, a GOP openly touting tariffs is something I never thought I would see. Mainstream right leaning economists have been losing influence in the GOP for years now, and this may have been the final nail in the coffin. I don't think neo-merchantilism can work but I can't deny that shyt sounds VERY GOOD when the perception is that global trade is to blame for so many problems.

As I said in the "bring the jobs back" thread a great deal of middle class white people who were used to making 80k-100k without a college degree will likely never make that again, but for many white people losing these jobs dosent allow them to moral grandstand and overstate their "grit and grind" in obtaining their success. With this win they feel like they get a chance to retain their ego, masculinity, and status in their respective communities.

Pretty much. I've been saying this. Neither candidate had the answers for loss of manufacturing jobs. That protectionist stuff Trump talks is nonsense. But what sounds better to someone in a deindustrialized rustbelt town: "We're going to invest in education and job training blah blah blah" or "I'm going to take on China and Mexico for stealing our jobs and bring them back"?

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

You just don't get it.

People said screw the establishment.

Bernie more than likely would have pounced on trump.

Gundumb might be clinically insane, but he's right here. The biggest theme of this election was that it was anti-establishment election, just like 08 was a change election.

Trump ran on the most anti-establishment platform in recent memory, against Hillary who embodies the establishment more than anyone. And he was such an awful candidate he still lost the popular vote.

Racism was the fuel for his political fire. In a political environment like this, it's either going to be a left wing peoples' movement or an right wing authoritarian ethno-nationalism that fills the vacuum. Unfortunately we got the latter because the "left wing" in this country is a fukking joke.

And yes, Bernie would've mopped up Trump. I think everyone knows that.

 

[Type Username Here]

Unfortunately we got the latter because the "left wing" in this country is a fukking joke.

It's a joke because our own "side" has made it a joke.

Reagan Democrats in the 80s, Blue Dogs, Clinton Moderates in the 90s. In addition, a lot of us on the real left got a lot of shyt from daring to hold Obama accountable for his missed opportunities from 2008-2010. We also got a lot of shyt for warning against Obama's dangerous increase of the executive powers, powers that Trump will now have on day 1.

We focus on Trump's repugnant and racist campaign, and we should, but also don't ignore the fact that he ran TO THE LEFT of the Democratic candidate on several issues, including trade policies and some foreign policy items.

So again, I take a look at the performance of the rust belt and battleground states that gave him victory in the electoral college, his net negative vote total compared to Romney, and middle class and minorities not showing up for Hillary, and can only conclude that the reason he won was because of his stances on trade policies in key areas.

Acri and others think I'm implying there wasn't a racist movement or tone to his campaign. I'm not denying that. What I am saying is that it should not have been enough to win the electoral college. The numbers don't add up at all.

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

It's a joke because our own "side" has made it a joke.

Reagan Democrats in the 80s, Blue Dogs, Clinton Moderates in the 90s. In addition, a lot of us on the real left got a lot of shyt from daring to hold Obama accountable for his missed opportunities from 2008-2010. We also got a lot of shyt for warning against Obama's dangerous increase of the executive powers, powers that Trump will now have on day 1.

We focus on Trump's repugnant and racist campaign, and we should, but also don't ignore the fact that he ran TO THE LEFT of the Democratic candidate on several issues, including trade policies and some foreign policy items.

So again, I take a look at the performance of the rust belt and battleground states that gave him victory in the electoral college, his net negative vote total compared to Romney, and middle class and minorities not showing up for Hillary, and can only conclude that the reason he won was because of his stances on trade policies in key areas.

Acri and others think I'm implying there wasn't a racist movement or tone to his campaign. I'm not denying that. What I am saying is that it should not have been enough to win the electoral college. The numbers don't add up at all.

It's really not either/or though man. Racism was a huge motivator in his turnout. The stuff about trade in the rust belt doesn't apply much to FL and NC for example. I'm sure a lot of the turnout in rural and suburban white areas of the rust belt was motivated by race as well.

It was economics, it was race but overall it was he struck the right chord of anti-establishment at the perfect time against somebody who embodied the establishment.

You can call Trump dumb, but the man has marketing savvy. His mantra this whole cycle was "the system is rigged," and that's exactly what the mood of the country was.

 

[Anerdyblackguy]

Let me preface by saying that Trump has a history of racist and xenophobic words and actions. His campaign was riddled with dog whistle politics. I am not arguing against this. It isn't up to debate in my opinion.

But you are naive if you think that is why he won. It is about the middle class white worker in key states and Hillary being a shyt candidate. The same middle class workers that Obama carried TWICE in certain areas.

Facts of the matter:

1) Racists would have voted for any Republican ticket regardless. Do any of you believe otherwise?

2) Trump got LESS votes than Romney and might have an Electoral landslide because he went after the Rust belt workers who suffered the most from globalist trade policies.

3) As said before, Trump gained white Voters that went for Obama the last 2 times.

4) Clinton only got ~51% of the union vote.

5) Trump actually made gains on minority voting when compared to Romney. Minorities didn't show up for Clinton in the numbers she needed in several key urban areas.

You do know those white folks ( based on statistics) harbor racist views right? Obama lost those voters in historic fashion in both elections.

Those same voters were the catalyst behind the Tea party movement, which is a racist organization.

 

[KeysT]

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[BaggerofTea]

The Democrats cannot motivate their base.

 

[jerniebert]

This guy made racist comment after racist comment but it had nothing to do with racism. This victory was all about aMerikkka and taking there country back. How stupid or white can some of you be.

 

[acri1]

You just don't get it.

People said screw the establishment.

Bernie more than likely would have pounced on trump.

No, what they really said is screw minorities. Be in denial if you want.

 

[FAH1223]

Here's the thing, the electorate turnout shrunk. If turnout was higher, the Dems normally win.

Obama won these rust belt areas twice because he had a message and a popular one. HRC is looked upon worse cause she's the embodiment of DC insider politics.

 

[hashmander]

you would think america was in population decline looking at that. did the get down in the gutter strategy really turnoff that many voters? i can't believe that, something isn't right.

 

[The Fukin Prophecy]

Racism had more to do with it than jobs bruh...

A perfect example was a TYT video posted in another thread with a journalist asking Trump voters questions...

A gentle elderly white lady that looked like somebody who would offer you a slice of apple pie was asked why is she voting for Trump...Her answer was he's a good family man...

The journalist then asked what about president Obama? Her answer was no but his wife appears to be...

Obama apparently isn't a good family man but the orange clown that buys a new wife ever 10 years and wants to fukk his own daughter is...

It's obvious why she thinks the white man is a good family man and the black man isn't...

This is the voter Trump brought out of their houses in mass on election day...It wasn't about their factory jobs, it was about the "white way of life" being threatened by the godless baby killing liberals that want to accept everybody and take our guns away...

They voted to "preserve God, country and family values" by electing orange Judas with a fukked up hair piece...

White Amerikkka...

 

[Bernie Madoff]

I'm sorry, but no. The reason Trump won was 'cism. No ifs, ands, or buts about it.


It's true that racists would be likely to vote Republican anyway, but Trump got racists out that don't usually vote. The reason I can say this is because there's pretty much no other reason to vote Trump. It's not like people were voting for Trump because of his policy initiatives or political experience. There's no way you're convincing me that his excellent and well thought out trade policy was his main draw.


And him doing slightly better with minorities than Romney isn't say much considering how abysmal Romney's numbers were.

Aww thought you were taking a break buddy?

Reason Trump won was that the left, all media outlets, all the celebrity bullshyt propaganda turned off moderates and independents because it was a legit propaganda campaign...