ZEB WALTON
ayo! - BEZ
Damn. Hell on earth>> rd
I think they was just being nice, playing politics. Gotta give jay the rub since he became sich a big player at that point.
But i digress
At one Point DMX was considered better than Hov
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I think they was just being nice, playing politics. Gotta give jay the rub since he became sich a big player at that point.
But i digress
ZEB WALTON
ayo! - BEZ
Yea 2001 was dmxs last year. Sold almost 500k first week and only went plat while jigga went 2x -> approachjng 3
Summerjam officially gave jay the juice and the nas beef put him and nas in the one and two positions (which nas lost with nastradamus) just by having the beef. Perception man... jays a genius
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not sure if this was mentioned in the thread yet but there was a story (i believe on the movie Backstage) that DMX washed Jay in battles back before they both blew up. I want to say JAy told the story or that they were both in the same room when the story was told. But it's been a while since I've seen it.
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January 98 was just a couple months after Vol 1 dropped. Jay wasn’t a big player st that point.
January 99. Whole different story.
@ZEB WALTON i think you may have missed this post yesterday. This is the exact timeline for certifications for all the relevant albums.When X dropped IDAHIH, he was immediately bigger than Jay, based on album sales, who up to that point was only a gold artist.
Then Jay dropped Vol. 2. It dropped September 29, 1998. It was 4x platinum by February. IDAHIH was only 3x platinum that February. So in terms of album sales, Jay passed him. FOMFBOMB was 2x platinum in January of 1999. Didn't go 3x until December of 2000 (two years after it was released). IDAHIH went 4x in December of 2000 as well. Jay was 5x platinum with HKL by that point. So again, with album sales, you could argue Jay was bigger.
Then X dropped And Then There was X in December 99 and it was the end of Jay's chapter.
i know for sure that the infamous is better than reasonable doubt but not hell on earth though. in my opinion
honestly at the time i was a little bit disappointed in hell on earth because i expected it to be the same quality as the infamous. and houdini p's lyrics weren't as sharp nor were hav's beats as crisp as the album prior. it took a while to grow on me, it was a lot darker & murkier. the joint that hit me hard though was get dealt with. goddamn thats one of the hardest joints ever.. oh and still shinin' definitely
ZEB WALTON
ayo! - BEZ
Idk bro
To me p was def doper on HOE and hav finally mastered that dark peoduction.
The infamous had more so called bangers like shook ones, give up the goods, survival of the fittest but i always thought HOE was mobbs unrestricted (making pop music) peak.
I feel ya tho. Get dealt wit my fav mobb song and still shinin up there too prolly top 5 mobb joint to me. RD dope too but HOE like ky perfect album but then again i always liked dark albuks (all we got iz us, the coldvein, hell on earth, liquid swords, tical ... always out dark albums over reg ones)
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Money ain't a thang wasn' THAT big. Jay only blew up In the mainstream because he compromised his music with that Annie sample. X blew up with aggessive content (no curtis) and staying true to his style. Jay was just a trend hopper dying to cross overNo one outside of NY gave a damn about Money Aint A Thing, Can I Get a, and HKL?
Trend hopper or growth and evolution that led to longevity and ultimately out lasting DMX?
Listening to Jay discuss the G Unit movement was very interesting because we the fan got hip to the artists thought process..
Jay cautioned the other memebrs of The Roc to maximize productivity because a wave was coming like something they hadn’t seen....
I’m assuming this strategy didn’t start with 50 and it was applied to any other competiton in the market..
Jay always found a way to promulgate himself and his brand which led to him distinguishing himself from his peers who might’ve lacked his foresight...
Now go back and listen to Hovi Baby again young man... lol
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That annie sample was pandering to white people. Jay was itching to be mainstream by that time. Volume 2 bricks if not for HKL. That album was a collection of singles. No cohesion. Meanwhile x dropping damn near films as albums.
And I fukks with Hovibaby. And I'm probably older than you lol
We’re probably like the same age
I’m not disagreeing with you I’m not feeling the nomenclature lol.. Jay isn’t a trend hopper.
It was a smart move to flip the Annie sample. The Roc wanted to be seen as a success nationwide/globally. The first three projects hadn’t separated Jay from the pack...
BIG died
There’s Wu.. Nas.. Mase & Bad Boy, DMX, Big Pun, The Lox, Mobb Deep..Busta Rhymes
I’m going on my third album.. still craving another level of success... BOOM, Let’s flip the annie sample
It was a smart move.
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It was a great move. I agree. From a business perspective. I didn't get paid off of it so I'm more about the quality of the music more so than what it did for his career but I never said it was a bad business decision.We’re probably like the same age
I’m not disagreeing with you I’m not feeling the nomenclature lol.. Jay isn’t a trend hopper.
It was a smart move to flip the Annie sample. The Roc wanted to be seen as a success nationwide/globally. The first three projects hadn’t separated Jay from the pack...
BIG died
There’s Wu.. Nas.. Mase & Bad Boy, DMX, Big Pun, The Lox, Mobb Deep..
I’m going on my third album.. still craving another level of success... BOOM, Let’s flip the annie sample
It was a smart move.
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Lol 2 years later when damn near every album made the list. Stop it.
shyt didnt even go gold by the end of 96 when it dropped. Like i said, revisionist history. Wasnt a classic til jay told yall it was a classic.
IDAHIH 4x platinum by 2000
Reasonable Doubt 1x platinum by 2002
6 ppl were bumping reasonable doubt in 1996. The worst type of history is revisionist history.