Black art should display how life should be, not how it is

[Tornado Drill]

I think you misunderstood me breh.

Like let's take dr. Dre. He owns aftermath records, but interscope handles the actual distribution. They print the CDs, get the records on streaming sites, get the songs to radio.

Arista for bad boy. Universal for cash money etc.

Even tyler perry has to deal with new line cinema to get his movies in theaters.

What that means is, if the distributor refuses to put something out, black people have no other avenues to put these things out themselves.

It's why what floyd Mayweather did was so revolutionary. He partnered with Al Haymon, put his own money up and took control of his own career. That's why he can fight who he wants when he wants and make obscene amounts of money. Of course the media tries to assassinate his character at every step.

Bottom line, until you're willing to take a risk, it doesn't matter how much "freedom" your boss gives you, you're still an employee.

Sounds like we don't really disagree. If we have to find alternative ways of doing things, then that's what should happen. If Mayweather can do it, so can Perry and Dre.

 

[Kenny West]

Agreed. At some point black art pigeonholes itself to the point where youre just too exhausted from the same ass themes.

Like if I watch a black movie 99% chance its about racism, crime/drugs/hood shyt, a biopic or a goofy comedy.

Very short list outside of that.

 

[AlainLocke]

No society can thrive being filled with degenerates and underachievers. That is more important than how white people gonna treat us. Cant have a society filled with "real nikkaz" and "real bytches" that dont strive to be better people. We need more black folk striving to be both the high end professions and even high end positivity in fictional entertainment

Lol....

See this is that respectability delusional politics bullshyt...

The "negative" art is about systemic failure of society that treats it's minority members that built the country that everyone else gets to enjoy....

But we got some weak pansy ass motherfukkers that can't deal with reality....

That nobody cares who you are or what you do, if you are Black, especially a Black male, esoespecia a descendant of a slave, the world is meant to eat you alive to feed it...

So when the underclass creatives.. who are the most potent and powerful... decide to make shyt that reflects their reality and it's the true reality of Black life...

The respectability motherfukkers get mad becsuse it destroys their little world where they transcend Blackness and get to be part of the system instead of the food...

Your degree don't matter, your job don't matter, you following the law don't matter, how you dress don't matter ...

You are still Black...and you not too far removed from the corner boys and pimps and the hoes and the homeless and the single parents and the working class


You just a different type of food, you just a delicacy

 

[Tornado Drill]

Whats too negative? Mainstream music? You can take black gospel music for explain all their shyt is positive. Whatever your niche you can't find a artist for it stop it with the faux outrage.

He don't know what the hell he's talking about he still hasn't explain to me In the Era of streaming and digital media and content how he can't find positive content. As well as why they let old groups who do comebacks flop so often? Seem to be talking out the ass. Typical smart dumb sheabutter types.

No one said there wasn't any positive media. We are talking about it be drowned out by the negative stuff. At least I am.

 

[ba'al]

Agree OP. And there should always be some sort of balance. The black imagery is too self denigrating. The counterbalance should be about the possibilities. More of that is needed.

Since you can't find positive art I help you. Find all these shyts in a few clicks
Jesse Boykins III

 

[ba'al]

Well, consumer dictates what's on the market.You have to support artists you like sir. It's plenty of positive musicians, artsist, and media people but they don't get the support. The onus falls back on the consumer. And earlier you said you couldn't find any in the states which is it Mr. Tornado Drill?

No one said there wasn't any positive media. We are talking about it be drowned out by the negative stuff. At least I am.

 

[Wear My Dawg's Hat]

So why when a lot of these old groups put out new music you people who all say they want old music back let them flop?

I don't think its about whether we want to hear new, hot music from The O'Jays or Full Force.

Its about reclaiming the inspirational underpinnings of the culture for younger generations to express like in the past.

Even the Civil Rights Movement - unarguably the most effective social process movement in modern world history, had to have a soundtrack: "We Shall Overcome," "Keep Your Eye On The Prize," "A Change Is Gonna Come," " Keep On Pushing'," "We're A Winner."

 

[Neuromancer]

I understand op but seriously black art should be whatever the artist wants. Whether you support it or not is up to you. If you don't enjoy it don't support it.

 

[Dad]

What other race ethers themselves like this? What other group participates in their own denigration? No other group would allow their image to go so negative without trying to do something about it. You stop the bullshyt.

Ether how?

So we gonna pretend like cacs haven’t made fukked up songs that have earned them millions and turned into anthems?

Avenged Sevenfold, “A Little Piece of Heaven”

Nine Inch Nails, ‘Closer’


Papa Roach, ‘Last Resort’


I wonder how cacs would feel if a black man made a song like date rape by sublime


Rolling Stones, ‘Brown Sugar’


The Knack, ‘My Sharona’

Should I post more?

 

[HellRell804]

Sounds like we don't really disagree. If we have to find alternative ways of doing things, then that's what should happen. If Mayweather can do it, so can Perry and Dre.

They wont because they're comfortable with the status quo. Let's say Dre goes out and signs a revolutionary black rapper. Interscope nopes the fukk out, so dre spends 5 to 10 million of his own money to get this artist out, then he goes triple plastic. That's a pretty big L.

With tyler it's even worse. He comes out with a movie that actually has a strong and positive representation of black men, the feminists and media go in on the movie and boycott like they did Nate Parker and he could lose big money.

Whether u wanna see it or not, black people have gotten to the point where the media we consume has to be approved by the mainstream. You're describing a master p approach where he was selling CDs out of the trunk, but today black twitter would call him ashy and say his music sounds cheap.

You want things to change? Find an artist that's actually living that life and support him. Get him on the hot 100. That will show other talented artists that there is a market for doing the right thing.

 

[Wild self]

There is much more potential to distribute expressions today than there was when John Johnson, Berry Gordy, Kenny Gamble/Leon Huff, Al Bell, Percy Sutton and Don Cornelius were doing it so successfully in the past.

However, they were marketing to a more cohesive community than that which exists now.

In fact, due to so much technology being around, distribution options may be too plentiful to build mass acceptance on projects UNLESS it is on the super large scale of Black Panther or the NBA, or has a longterm existing base of support (Drake, Jay Z, Beyonce, Rihanna).

I blame the aftershock of the crack epidemic for the mentality of "stop hating, I'm getting money." That paradigm causes people to throw away their dignity to c00n and to sell out their black identity for a quick buck to spend foolishly. Materialism also has gotten out of hand since people threw away inspiration for "reality".

 

[HellRell804]

There is much more potential to distribute expressions today than there was when John Johnson, Berry Gordy, Kenny Gamble/Leon Huff, Al Bell, Percy Sutton and Don Cornelius were doing it so successfully in the past.

However, they were marketing to a more cohesive community than that which exists now.

In fact, due to so much technology being around, distribution options may be too plentiful to build mass acceptance on projects UNLESS it is on the super large scale of Black Panther or the NBA, or has a longterm existing base of support (Drake, Jay Z, Beyonce, Rihanna).

Black panther is a marvel movie. He was one of the most popular parts of civil war. The floor for that movie was 6 or 700 million even without black people claiming it. shyt I think Ant man made 600 million.

You kinda proved what I was saying in the post I just made. We only support things that have the backing and approval of the mainstream...

 

[Tornado Drill]

Since you can't find positive art I help you. Find all these shyts in a few clicks
Jesse Boykins III

Yayyyy, you found a couple. Except they are being drowned out by those who represent debased images of black people. The point is we need a whole lot more of this^^^^ and a lot less of that other crap. That's all I was saying.

 

[ba'al]

I think the onus falls mostly on the consumer. This argument reminds me of when fat people say stores and restaurants only sell junk food that's why they're big but in actuality, it's plenty of healthy options.

I don't think its about whether we want to hear new, hot music from The O'Jays or Full Force.

Its about reclaiming the inspirational underpinnings of the culture for younger generations to express like in the past.

Even the Civil Rights Movement - unarguably the most effective social process movement ins modern world history, had to have a soundtrack: "We Shall Overcome," "Keep You Eye On The Prize," "A Change Is Gonna Come," " Keep On Pushing'." "We're A Winner."

 

[Dad]

No one said there wasn't any positive media. We are talking about it be drowned out by the negative stuff. At least I am.

Then that’s your fault

 

[Mowgli]

Art is an expression of the individual. Maybe it's time you make your own