Breh at this point is there any question about Beyoncé being the female GOAT

African Peasant

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whitney and aretha are great vocalist but they ARE NOT stage show performers. Their vocals is what made them great

nina her stage show was in her live instrumentation (she was a musical beast on the piano) + signing but she was not a physical perfomer

The greatest total package for black female acts prior to beyonce was Tina Turner and then janet jackson. beyonce has better vocals than both of them

the greatest combo of voice and stage show for black females w/o question is beyonce

All facts^ Super talented singers, but nobody fukks with Beyonce on stage. Can't argue with this logic @African Peasant (btw for all the pro-black militant hypeness there are only 2 Usernames that start with 'African' on The Coli......)

What do you mean by stage performance ? If you put Whitney, Aretha and Beyonce on a stage, do you think Beyonce will sing better than them ?

If by stage performance, you're referring to choreography and dancing, Beyonce does it better, but it's not enough to turn her into a better musician than Whitney and Aretha.

She's a better performer, but what is a performer ? Is it a major art form ? It's wide category. Musically, she's beneath Aretha and Whitney. And music is what comes first.
 

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Lol we respect her

She is A goat but not THE goat and I think their are teirs to that. Its when you start comparing is when people start debating.

You literally compared her to THE goat and said she was better. Thats when the heat started. Beyonce even knows she’s not fukkin with MJ. You’re entitled to your opinion but so is everyone else entitled to say something about it.

As far as the name calling shyt idk, I didn’t notice and didn’t do it unless I confused you with @Beyonce Knowles-Carter

And being backed by TLR WOAT doesn’t help.
But you basically implied that she wasn’t a GOAT... well that’s what I got from that first post. And I disagree about that, especially after following her for years. It’s not just me calling Bey the greatest performer of all time, but there are others out there as well who feel the same. So the opinion isn’t far-fetched at all. And I feel like after last night, it’s pretty obvious that she’s in the conversation. Even if you or the majority of the people in this thread don’t think so. I’m a big MJ fan (which I’ve stated in here before) and have a lot of respect for him and his legacy. But I also like giving credit where it is due.
 

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It’s ok to agree to disagree, but when there are insults thrown your way when you simply go in a thread and voice an opinion without going at others is pretty sad and terrible. I don’t really post in this section a lot but people have told me that it was pretty terrible and now I understand why they say that. I’m more disappointed that there are mods on here who are biased as well. But then again, I’m newer to the Coli so that’s probably a norm here.

I know the subject is controversial and I even said it when this thread began, but I didn’t wanna hold back my feelings about Bey in comparison to MJ because I wanted to be honest and not have my feelings filtered. I don’t really talk a lot nor do I say a lot, but if I feel strongly about something I want to express it.

It’s ok that people don’t agree with Bey being better than MJ. That’s ok and very understandable, but to deny Bey’s talent and downplay her abilities is just crazy to me. and that’s what people continuously do. Not everyone has to be a fan of Bey’s. I’m not that kinda of supporter.. but it does feel like every time someone praises her or gives her respect, people treat it as if it’s blasphemous. As if she has no kind of talent whatsoever. As some who is passionate about music, I have a problem with that in particular.
There are actually people on here yes who say things like she has no talent whatsoever.

You have to understand: Beyoncé is at the pinnacle of entertainment. She is a global superstar, with money, cars, houses etc. She is married to a hero to many of the people on here... you understand where I'm going with this?

Many people who feel jealous like to kick down the very person who is having everything they wish they had 1% or 10% of.

It's society also: people are tough online, it's anonymous. I read an article about why nice people act like bullies online.

Many people, also have boring lives. They are at work and are bored and are like 'whatever someone says, I will ridicule it and troll them - just to pass the time and have a discussion'

No sane person can say 'she has no talent' or 'LeBron James is bad at basketball' but people LOVE this because it gives them a little sense of power, it's twisted and these very people don't even realize this is why they do it. They have 0 power in their life and this is their little power and fantasy trip.

Don't take it too serious really, because you can't give emotions to people like that. Enjoy what you enjoy, if someone is respectful and disagrees - that's cool, engage them. If they are basically sociopaths with an internet connection, ignore mode on.
 

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But you basically implied that she wasn’t a GOAT... well that’s what I got from that first post. And I disagree about that, especially after following her for years. It’s not just me calling Bey the greatest performer of all time, but there are others out there as well who feel the same. So the opinion isn’t far-fetched at all. And I feel like after last night, it’s pretty obvious that she’s in the conversation. Even if you or the majority of the people in this thread don’t think so. I’m a big MJ fan (which I’ve stated in here before) and have a lot of respect for him and his legacy. But I also like giving credit where it is due.
I’ve legit never heard a person in real life say Beyonce is better than MJ.

Never

And I never really implied anything. My arguments were strictly on why she isn’t better than those 2 guys.

Most of this thread have compared her to other GOATS so no one actually implied that she wasnt. We just said she’s not better than certain people and she isnt.
 

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I’ve legit never heard a person in real life say Beyonce is better than MJ.

Never

And I never really implied anything. My arguments were strictly on why she isn’t better than those 2 guys.

Most of this thread have compared her to other GOATS so no one actually implied that she wasnt. We just said she’s not better than certain people and she isnt.
How do you feel about this tweet from Chance The Rapper?


You said that she wasn’t up there with the GOATs a page or 2 back, which I disagreed with... and I explained over and over again why I felt she was worthy of the title. But we will just have to agree to disagree about her place in terms of the greatest performers to ever do it.
 

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You’ll get more for ya buck there than any other HBCU. All the other hyped ones are private and as far as undergrad, none are offering on the level of A&T’s. Their engineering school alone trumps any undergraduate program on ANY HBCU campus. :sas1:


Every HBCU is known for something
However, JAckson state has a great engineering program as well


You’re entitled to yours but I love my hbcu
(It’s NOT Jackson state)
 

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DJEEZUS she is on a completely different level

For clarity: nobody fukks with MJ, it's a different planet but not counting MJ when you make the individual comparison - she is on a TOTALLY different level, she is so versatile, talented and has assembled an amazing team that puts her in a position to truly showcase her range and skills. How can we not all be proud of this sister? She is not a sell-out, she is repping us 100% as always. AMAZING. One of the only real ones, and she's #1. Thank you OP for sharing these tweets!




Idk who is comparing MJ to Beyoncé. She’s In her lane and he had his lane.

I’m proud of her
 

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What do you mean by stage performance ? If you put Whitney, Aretha and Beyonce on a stage, do you think Beyonce will sing better than them ?

stage show is a combination of singing, dancing and theatrics



If by stage performance, you're referring to choreography and dancing, Beyonce does it better,

exactly

but it's not enough to turn her into a better musician than Whitney and Aretha.

her above avg vocals + elite stage show is enough to put her over them as complete performers. Whitney and Aretha didn't really have stageshows

She's a better performer, but what is a performer ? Is it a major art form ?

see above


It's wide category. Musically, she's beneath Aretha and Whitney. And music is what comes first.

she vocally beneath them

she's musically better than whitney (most of whitney's 80's material was watered down trash aimed at white markets) but inferior to Aretha's
 

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stage show is a combination of singing, dancing and theatrics





exactly



her above avg vocals + elite stage show is enough to put her over them as complete performers. Whitney and Aretha didn't really have stageshows



see above




she vocally beneath them

she's musically better than whitney (most of whitney's 80's material was watered down trash aimed at white markets) but inferior to Aretha's

Beyoncé is musically better than Whitney???

Get the fukk out of here.

What is wrong with you nikkas? This is what I’m saying. Y’all do too much.
 

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stage show is a combination of singing, dancing and theatrics





exactly



her above avg vocals + elite stage show is enough to put her over them as complete performers. Whitney and Aretha didn't really have stageshows



see above




she vocally beneath them

she's musically better than whitney (most of whitney's 80's material was watered down trash aimed at white markets) but inferior to Aretha's

Performance is a minor artistic category. You can't be the GOAT female musician because you're the best performer. You need to be the best singer. She's not.

Beyonce discography is not better than Whitney's. Beyonce biggest hits are not musical gems.
 

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How do you feel about this tweet from Chance The Rapper?


You said that she wasn’t up there with the GOATs a page or 2 back, which I disagreed with... and I explained over and over again why I felt she was worthy of the title. But we will just have to agree to disagree about her place in terms of the greatest performers to ever do it.

Idgaf about a tweet from Chance:heh:

Tell that nikka he needs to put out an album and some songs that most nikkas actually know.

Wasn’t he born in like the 2000’s or some shyt? He never even seen MJ perform and was probably like 8 when dude passed away. His opinion is null and void

I said you compared her to the GOATS and the GODS and thats why the discussion happened. Then you said she was better and I said she wasn’t. I never said she wasn’t a goat I said she wasn’t THE goat
 

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What do you mean by stage performance ? If you put Whitney, Aretha and Beyonce on a stage, do you think Beyonce will sing better than them ?

If by stage performance, you're referring to choreography and dancing, Beyonce does it better, but it's not enough to turn her into a better musician than Whitney and Aretha.

She's a better performer, but what is a performer ? Is it a major art form ? It's wide category. Musically, she's beneath Aretha and Whitney. And music is what comes first.

stage show is dancing/choreography/theatrics to go along with singing
 

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Idgaf about a tweet from Chance:heh:

Tell that nikka he needs to put out an album and some songs that most nikkas actually know.

Wasn’t he born in like the 2000’s or some shyt? He never even seen MJ perform and was probably like 8 when dude passed away. His opinion is null and void

I said you compared her to the GOATS and the GODS and thats why the discussion happened. Then you said she was better and I said she wasn’t. I never said she wasn’t a goat I said she wasn’t THE goat
The person who said she was better and a better performer compared them.
See, responses like these prove my point. This thread has ran its course for me. I’m out forreal this time. Y’all can have at it.
 
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