Can someone explain "fake deep" to me

[mobbinfms]

Why do you think gangbangers cant offer critiques of their own lifestyles?
Why do you think dopedealers cant offer critiques of their own lifestyles?
If anyone is fit to critique said lifestyle, its the person living it and know they're living foul.

Look at Lake. Look at Littles.
Now look at P.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Huh?? They don't make sense because they're not connected to each other in any way and they seem like they were placed just to keep the flow in tact, like I've said before

You're attempting to get me to argue in circles with you and I'm not gonna do that smh

Read the bolded lines and explain what they mean to you, how about that

Kendrick rapped on that track exactly like he normally raps. Rambling flow with simplistic rhymes

Kendrick has a LOT of verses with absolute mindless filler

But thats the problem when you don't know how to write songs more systemically and stylistically so you're stuck in that same flow and trying to fill out bars

 

[mobbinfms]

I feel like a lot of the people that accuse rappers of being "fake deep" have a super linear and rigid point of view towards music and thats corny

At the end of the day these are artists/poets. You can't box them in and say "unless your an expert on this subject you can't rap about it". You gotta give every artist their own individual context Nas is a thoughtful 9th grade drop out who grew up on 70s and 80s black culture. Kendrick a "good kid" who came from 90s gang culture, Rza is a dusthead informed by Islam and Kung Fu movies etc etc.

Fact checking rappers is the dumbest thing you can do and completely misses the point of hip hop.

KRS was an uneducated homeless kid sleeping on trains but when he started rhyming he became "The Teacher". If he sounds like a crazy street preacher at times...GOOD. Thats his voice.

If you can't respect that your whole perspective is wack...

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

So people who aren't formally educated shouldn't be talking about social issues?

If only, I had said that.

I'm saying that a lot of times, conscious artists aren't more educated than the very people they're trying to distinguish themselves from

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Have you listened to Kendrick? His music is pretty much all depth and emotional appeals.
He uses 3rd person characters because he's an artist.

again. for the millionth time.

attempts don't matter

execution matters.

 

[Poitier]

Huh?? They don't make sense because they're not connected to each other in any way and they seem like they were placed just to keep the flow in tact, like I've said before

You're attempting to get me to argue in circles with you and I'm not gonna do that smh

Read the bolded lines and explain what they mean to you, how about that

Kendrick rapped on that track exactly like he normally raps. Rambling flow with simplistic rhymes

They know what you mean, breh.

They'll attack Young Thug or Chief Keef for the same thing but want to act stupid when Kendrick does it plenty of his songs. At least Thug and Keef do Based freestyles, Kendrick has word salads and he uses a pen and paper lol.

 

[Biscayne]

Well thats the thing...he went in the studio and ranted about his relationship with his girlfriend and an emotional interaction they shared.

Thats truly powerful.

Him saying "I don't care if you really cry" and her saying "all my friends are dead" does WAY more to embody young love and angst than mere "saying we're in love and angsty"

You can tell who really knows how to WRITE and who reads a lot in these threads. Its like a lot of you all aren't truly scholars or do much critical reading analysis. ...and I don't mean fiction novels...I mean just any sort of analytic work whereby interpretation is central to the work you're doing.

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I had no idea this was based on a relationship he had. Either way, would his personal real life relationship problems make this song "real deep" as opposed to fake deep?

So does any and every personal account automatically make a song pass the smell test of being real deep?

Maybe I don't have the Academic breadth to interpret what is real deep and fake deep. But I do know that on this site specifically and in general hip hop argument, everyone is beholden to their own biases and what they find sonically pleasing, rather than using scholarly arguments to decipher what is true and which is fake. And GENERALLY when "fake deep" is being used to disparage an artist, it's usually by those who have some sort of bias against artists who get props for being deep or being seen as deep. It's a backlash of sorts. A guy like Kendrick falls under that sort of criticism. Which I disagree with.

Are all the people you tagged scholars and writers and readers?

 

[Palm Tree's & Blunts]

They know what you mean, breh.

They'll attack Young Thug or Chief Keef for the same thing but want to act stupid when Kendrick does it plenty of his songs. At least Thug and Keef do Based freestyles, Kendrick has word salads and he uses a pen and paper lol.

Young thug is fukking garbage breh.

I'm not a Kendrick Stan either I like schoolboy q more.

 

[mobbinfms]

I can't help you see it

Maybe that's because it's not there to be seen.

 

[mobbinfms]

Fake deep usually means superficial display of knowledge or completing in-depth thought.
Perfect example is Common, this is a man who likes to talk the talk of racism in America, but then got on stage and said racism would end if black people embraced white people.

Isn't that hypocrisy?

 

[mobbinfms]

I can't take post like this serious.

The people who would dap this would then go in another thread and shyt on Kodak Black, Young Thug and Kevin Gates even though all of them fall into similar upbringings and have distinctive voices with insightful commentary and stories to tell.

Yall are so dishonest lol.

Young Thug has insightful commentary?

 

[mobbinfms]

More of GKMC was personal than his subsequent albums but there was a ton of impersonal content on the album as well. Take "Maad City" for example...

Spoiler: lyrics

Brace yourself, I'll take you on a trip down memory lane
This is not a rap on how I'm slingin crack or move cocaine
This is cul-de-sac and plenty Cognac and major pain
Not the drill sergeant, but the stress that weighing on your brain
It was Me, O-Boog, and Yaya, YG Lucky ride down Rosecrans
It got ugly, waving your hand out the window. Check yo self
Uh, warriors and Conans
Hope euphoria can slow dance with society
The driver seat the first one to get killed
Seen a light-skinned nikka with his brains blown out
At the same burger stand where hang out
Now this is not a tape recording saying that he did it
But ever since that day, I was lookin at him different
That was back when I was nine
Joey packed the nine
Pakistan on every porch is fine
We adapt to crime, pack a van with four guns at a time
With the sliding door, fukk is up?
fukk you shootin' for if you ain't walkin up you fukkin' punk?
Pickin' up the fukkin' pump
Pickin' off you suckers, suck a dikk or die or sucker punch
A wall of bullets comin' from
AK's, AR's, "Aye y'all. Duck."
That's what momma said when we was eatin the free lunch
Aw man, God damn, all hell broke loose
You killed my cousin back in '94. fukk yo truce
Now crawl yo head in that noose
You wind up dead on the news
Ain't no peace treaty, just pieces
BG's up to pre-approve, bodies on top of bodies
IV's on top of IV's
Obviously the coroner between the sheets like the Isleys
When you hop on that trolley
Make sure your colors correct
Make sure you're corporate, or they'll be calling your mother collect
They say the governor collect, all of our taxes except
When we in traffic and tragic happens, that shyt ain't no threat
You movin backwards if you suggest that you sleep with a Tec
Go buy a chopper and have a doctor on speed dial, I guess
M.A.A.d city

The bolded sections address the gang lifestyle in terms of "we" and "you" for the purpose of painting the picture of Kendrick growing up in an environment where his friends and associates made choices that resulted in entirely different paths from Kendrick despite all of them more of less starting out the same.

However, he also uses "we" to suggest that he has the authority to speak on the experiences of his friends and associates despite that he clearly did not make the same choices that they did. His personal story is on the "outside" of gangbanging despite being on the "inside" of growing up poor and black in Compton... If he does have more of a personal experience with the life/the system/the pain then it doesn't come across in his music.

The we is artistic license. It's obvious in listening to GKMC as a whole that he's not saying that's his personal experience.
But if that's the personal experience of people he grew up with why can't he rap about it?

 

[Poitier]

Isn't that hypocrisy?

If you listen to Kendrick's music and feel emotional.....then you might want to go see a shrink

 

[Biscayne]

You can actually read the lyrics now though

Half of his verse makes absolutely no sense

The only thing that stands out is that he called his contemporaries by name, but he didn't even say anything significant when he did

It was a Call Out track, not a diss track. He didn't need to go in depth about each artist he named. He was just making a statement on how he felt he was the best rapper on both coast.

 

[David_TheMan]

Isn't that hypocrisy?

Don't think it would qualify as hypocrisy more than ignorance of subject and actors being discussed.
Racism isn't going on because the victims of it, so its more a fundamental lack of understanding of what he is talking about, which hits home the superficiality of thought he claims to possess when he talks about racism and its effects in his music.