Can someone explain "fake deep" to me

[DeuceCypherUno]

not a very believable one

So now you wanna move goal posts.

Okay

 

[Poitier]

I feel like a lot of the people that accuse rappers of being "fake deep" have a super linear and rigid point of view towards music and thats corny

At the end of the day these are artists/poets. You can't box them in and say "unless your an expert on this subject you can't rap about it". You gotta give every artist their own individual context Nas is a thoughtful 9th grade drop out who grew up on 70s and 80s black culture. Kendrick a "good kid" who came from 90s gang culture, Rza is a dusthead informed by Islam and Kung Fu movies etc etc.

Fact checking rappers is the dumbest thing you can do and completely misses the point of hip hop.

KRS was an uneducated homeless kid sleeping on trains but when he started rhyming he became "The Teacher". If he sounds like a crazy street preacher at times...GOOD. Thats his voice.

If you can't respect that your whole perspective is wack...

I can't take post like this serious.

The people who would dap this would then go in another thread and shyt on Kodak Black, Young Thug and Kevin Gates even though all of them fall into similar upbringings and have distinctive voices with insightful commentary and stories to tell.

Yall are so dishonest lol.

 

[Poitier]

So now you wanna move goal posts.

Okay

Aint no goal post being moved....you just can't read

 

[Whogivesafuck]

I think what Poitier's getting at is that the critique itself is often framed in ways that suggest Kendrick is not as cognizant/understanding of the issues as he himself implies.

That's silly. Nikkas in LA have never heard of the hood Vince Staples claims. As far as Kendrick, he is best fiends with my lil homie A-mack and he is official.

 

[Poitier]

Fake deep usually means superficial display of knowledge or completing in-depth thought.
Perfect example is Common, this is a man who likes to talk the talk of racism in America, but then got on stage and said racism would end if black people embraced white people.

Heck, Kendrick's lyrics on Mike Brown, Hebrew Israelites and referencing the bible as the reason for Black folk's plight all fall under this category...

 

[DeuceCypherUno]

Aint no goal post being moved....you just can't read

Your problem is you think everyone's experience is supposed to follow a certain narrative and if it doesnt then it's "fake"

 

[FruitOfTheVale]

GKMC was a personal anecdote

There you go

More of GKMC was personal than his subsequent albums but there was a ton of impersonal content on the album as well. Take "Maad City" for example...

Spoiler: lyrics

Brace yourself, I'll take you on a trip down memory lane
This is not a rap on how I'm slingin crack or move cocaine
This is cul-de-sac and plenty Cognac and major pain
Not the drill sergeant, but the stress that weighing on your brain
It was Me, O-Boog, and Yaya, YG Lucky ride down Rosecrans
It got ugly, waving your hand out the window. Check yo self
Uh, warriors and Conans
Hope euphoria can slow dance with society
The driver seat the first one to get killed
Seen a light-skinned nikka with his brains blown out
At the same burger stand where hang out
Now this is not a tape recording saying that he did it
But ever since that day, I was lookin at him different
That was back when I was nine
Joey packed the nine
Pakistan on every porch is fine
We adapt to crime, pack a van with four guns at a time
With the sliding door, fukk is up?
fukk you shootin' for if you ain't walkin up you fukkin' punk?
Pickin' up the fukkin' pump
Pickin' off you suckers, suck a dikk or die or sucker punch
A wall of bullets comin' from
AK's, AR's, "Aye y'all. Duck."
That's what momma said when we was eatin the free lunch
Aw man, God damn, all hell broke loose
You killed my cousin back in '94. fukk yo truce
Now crawl yo head in that noose
You wind up dead on the news
Ain't no peace treaty, just pieces
BG's up to pre-approve, bodies on top of bodies
IV's on top of IV's
Obviously the coroner between the sheets like the Isleys
When you hop on that trolley
Make sure your colors correct
Make sure you're corporate, or they'll be calling your mother collect
They say the governor collect, all of our taxes except
When we in traffic and tragic happens, that shyt ain't no threat
You movin backwards if you suggest that you sleep with a Tec
Go buy a chopper and have a doctor on speed dial, I guess
M.A.A.d city

The bolded sections address the gang lifestyle in terms of "we" and "you" for the purpose of painting the picture of Kendrick growing up in an environment where his friends and associates made choices that resulted in entirely different paths from Kendrick despite all of them more of less starting out the same.

However, he also uses "we" to suggest that he has the authority to speak on the experiences of his friends and associates despite that he clearly did not make the same choices that they did. His personal story is on the "outside" of gangbanging despite being on the "inside" of growing up poor and black in Compton... If he does have more of a personal experience with the life/the system/the pain then it doesn't come across in his music.

 

[mobbinfms]

For it to be referenced in a more skillful way than merely stating it.

That's not what subversive means. Google malopropism.

Writing well is a skill.

Thats why some artists don't have it.

You're asking for the cheat code.

Go listen to Lupe do it.

Then listen to Kendrick do it.


Lupe does it better. KRIT does it better. GIBBS does it better. Even Sean does it better.

I'm not asking for a cheat code.
I'm asking you to explain what a term you use means.
Seems you can't do that.
That seems pretty "fake deep" to me.
Not that you would know what that means

 

[xCivicx]

GKMC was a personal anecdote

There you go

Nah only some tracks were

The rest were made up or 3rd hand retellings

 

[Poitier]

Your problem is you think everyone's experience is supposed to follow a certain narrative and if it doesnt then it's "fake"

Nope, authenticity comes in many forms but its fairly easy to tell when someone isn't drawing from anything real.

 

[Whogivesafuck]

Nah only some tracks were

The rest were made up or 3rd hand retellings

He used to claim hotta squad at centennial.

 

[xCivicx]

That's silly. Nikkas in LA have never heard of the hood Vince Staples claims. As far as Kendrick, he is best fiends with my lil homie A-mack and he is official.

What's this supposed to mean?

Literally banging through 2nd degree association smh

 

[xCivicx]

He used to claim hotta squad at centennial.

Has he ever mentioned this in any of his music?

I've never heard him speak on something like that /shrug

 

[threattonature]

Ain't read the rest of the thread yet but to me fake deep extends beyond the music. It was parody but Fear of a Black Hat captured it perfectly where dude is describing how Come Pet The P.U.S.S.Y. adn Don't Shoot Until You See The Whites. It's when they try to attach some way deeper meaning to some basic ass lyrics.

 

[Whogivesafuck]

Has he ever mentioned this in any of his music?

I've never heard him speak on something like that /shrug

I'm from the city and I know the guys he has with him. Hotta Squad was high school click with nikkas from lpp,mob,bh watts. I rember iggie b got chiped in and it sorta faded out.