Can someone explain "fake deep" to me

[The Plug]

Ross is speaking on his life and all of the people he's lost on his way to success, and he's introspectively trying to reconcile his own success with the fact that so many of his people didn't make it there with him

He's also speaking on the average black male growing up in an impoverished environment that turns to doing dirt to survive even though they know that what they're doing is wrong

So it's a classic introspective track like kendrick has done multiple times? What is more deep about this song than the numerous songs Kendrick has like sing about me, keisha's song, art of peer pressure or good kid, black boy fly, how much a dollar cost?

It can't be because Kendrick uses characters within his music, because even Renzel used characters within this song. It can't be because of authenticity because Renzel's character and past has always been called into question.

 

[John Hull]

But yeah I'm starting to notice a lot of cats that don't even post in this section droppin in to give their garbage opinion on shyt, most of em Drake stans I believe.
Ya'll got this one I'm out

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

That's still THEIR OPINION, something you should not care about as much as you clearly do smh

You can call Ross a liar all you want, did he lie anywhere on that track I posted?? I can post a ton of introspective Ross tracks in here but y'all only care about the C.O. drama/gossip, not his actual artistry /shrug

this thread wouldn't exist if i didn't care about exploring the absurdity of the "fake deep" label, so no, i'll continue to care.

 

[Yehuda]

So what's the difference between "fake deep" and "smart dumb"? Cause I use those terms interchangeably.

 

[xCivicx]

So it's a classic introspective track like kendrick has done multiple times? What is more deep about this song than the numerous songs Kendrick has like sing about me, keisha's song, art of peer pressure or good kid, black boy fly, how much a dollar cost?

It can't be because Kendrick uses characters within his music, because even Renzel used characters within this song. It can't be because of authenticity because Renzel's character and past has always been called into question.

I've already stated multiple times that I think GKMC is a classic

Most of his verses outside of that album don't make sense all the way through and he utilizes overly-simplistic pseudo-intellectual bars that y'all claim are deep

 

[FruitOfTheVale]

breh aint say they're too ignorant to know better, breh said he's in position to show them a different way. and sorry, if you think that banging life is all there is you are too ignorant to know better. i know plenty people in that lifestyle who know there are other options, they just don't know how to get them, don't care to get them, or feel it's too late/they're destined to be in the life they're in now.

"I have to put that same type of influence on my lil brothers, on the lil homies in the neighborhood," he said. "We tend to act in violence all the time, and that's just something we were brought up to do. Now that I'm more mature, I [can show] them other avenues to go about handling themselves: Being knowledgeable and jumping into a book rather than reaching for a pistol and reacting that way."

He said "now that I'm more mature" as in "now that I'm old enough to know better". He then goes on to say "being knowledgeable" and "jumping into a book" as alternatives to "reaching for a pistol". Seems pretty safe to say he meant they're too ignorant to know better which is why he sees it as his responsibility to make them aware of alternative paths.

On the rest of your post, I agree with all of that. I think you're misinterpreting some of what I'm saying though I don't know why.

 

[Kenny West]

nikkas are acting like he didn't just say this on his new album:



The verse is obviously a self-aware tongue in cheek commentary about the cycle of violence. Why then did he give such a stupid ass answer in his interview that amounted to suggesting that the "lil homies" are simply too ignorant to know better? I don't care what level of education you have, if someone murders the loves of your life you will want revenge.

nikkas are acting like he didn't say this on his old album

I woke up this morning and figured I'd call you
In case I'm not here tomorrow, I'm hoping that I can borrow
A peace of mind, I'm behind on what's really important
My mind is really distorted, I find nothing but trouble in my life
I'm fortunate you believe in a dream
This orphanage we call a ghetto is quite a routine
And last night was just another distraction or a reaction
Of what we consider madness, I know exactly what happened
You ran outside when you heard my brother cry for help
Held him like a newborn baby and made him feel
Like everything was alright and a fight he tried to put up
But the type of bullet that stuck had went against his will
As blood spilled on your hands, my plans rather vindictive
Everybody's a victim in my eyes
When I ride, it's a murderous rhythm and outside became pitch black
A demon glued to my back whispering, "Get 'em"
I got 'em, and I ain't give a fukk
That same mentality that told my brother not to duck
In actuality, it's a trip how we trip off of colors
I wonder if I'll ever discover a passion like you and recover
The life that I knew as a young'n in pajamas and dun-ta-duns
When thunder comes it rains cats and dogs
Dumb nikkas like me never prosper
Prognosis of a problem child, I'm proud and well devoted
This piru shyt been in me forever
So forever I'mma push it, wherever, whenever
And I love you 'cause you love my brother like you did
Just promise me you'll tell this story when you make it big
And if I die before your album drop, I hope (gunshots)

He obviously understands the cycle of violence and thinks lowly of it.(refers to it as madness on GKMC, wickedness on DAMN) That sentiment has been consistent before and after the interview. You're whole point is riding on acting like knowing the sentiment behind violence and condemning it are mutually exclusive . Kendrick aint fake deep because you wanna deny him of his own opinion on violence in favor of your own. You have no idea how petty you sound right now.

Ol "Pac wasn't a legend because he likes cocoa pebbles and I like fruity pebbles" ass nikka

 

[The Plug]

I've already stated multiple times that I think GKMC is a classic

Most of his verses outside of that album don't make sense all the way through and he utilizes overly-simplistic pseudo-intellectual bars that y'all claim are deep

I've never claimed Kendrick to be deep nor has he. I just want to know why you'd think a song by Renzel is deep but multiple Kendrick songs that are eerily similar aren't.

 

[xCivicx]

I've never claimed Kendrick to be deep nor has he. I just want to know why you'd think a song by Renzel is deep but multiple Kendrick songs that are eerily similar aren't.

I think Black Boy Fly is very deep

But Kendrick isn't using is standard spastic rambling lyrical miracle flow on that track

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

"I have to put that same type of influence on my lil brothers, on the lil homies in the neighborhood," he said. "We tend to act in violence all the time, and that's just something we were brought up to do. Now that I'm more mature, I [can show] them other avenues to go about handling themselves: Being knowledgeable and jumping into a book rather than reaching for a pistol and reacting that way."

He said "now that I'm more mature" as in "now that I'm old enough to know better". He then goes on to say "being knowledgeable" and "jumping into a book" as alternatives to "reaching for a pistol". Seems pretty safe to say he meant they're too ignorant to know better which is why he sees it as his responsibility to make them aware of alternative paths.

On the rest of your post, I agree with all of that. I think you're misinterpreting some of what I'm saying though I don't know why.

aight breh...you good with me, but I'm over dissecting this Kendrick quote

 

[mobbinfms]

Can't y'all, see that he's fake, the rap version of TD jakes
Prophesizing on your CDs and tapes
Won't break you a crumb of the little bit that he makes
And this is with whom you want to place your faith?
I put dollars on mine, ask Columbine
When the Twin Towers dropped, I was the first in line
Donating proceeds off every ticket sold
When I was out on the road, that's how you judge Hov, no?
Ain't I supposed to be absorbed myself?
Every time there's a tragedy, I'm the first one to help
They call me this misogynist, but they don't call me the dude
To take his dollars to give gifts at the projects
These dudes is all politics, depositing checks
they put in they pocket, all you get in return is a lot of lip
And y'all buy the shyt, caught up in the hype
Cause the nikka wear a coofie, it don't mean that he bright
Cause you don't understand him, it don't mean that he nice
It just means you don't understand all the bullshyt that he write
Is it "Oochie Wally Wally" or is it "One Mic"?
Is it "Black Girl Lost" or shorty owe you for ice?

If that doesn't explain fake deep then idk what to tell u

So fake Deep means you're a hypocrite?

 

[mobbinfms]

how is that fake deep as opposed to limited knowledge? you can read one book on chemical warfare and form an opinion that you feel comfortable sharing, no, you may not know everything and there may be valid counterpoints to your opinion, but how is it fake deep? you're sharing your POV

Exactly. Surface level knowledge will always be relative.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

So what's the difference between "fake deep" and "smart dumb"? Cause I use those terms interchangeably.

Apprently you're not alone. I see them as different but others see them as the same, so whatever.

"Fake deep" seems to be coli code for "what they're saying inst new, they didn't go into dissertation mode so obviously they don't know what they're talking about and they're trying to sound smart" hater shyt

Smart dumb IMO is a person who does the knowledge on something but then applies it stupidly. The example I gave was reading a book on times the government has shafted citizens, so therefore you think the smart move is taking all your money out the bank and keeping all your cash in the house. Smart dumb shyt right there

 

[Stone]

This verse is part of the reason why I can't rock with Kendrick for the most part

He used a (possibly)fabricated story just to spit some violent kill fantasy bars on a track.

He didn't even try and make it sound like a real story(drop a fake name or something, anything)

How does it not being a real character detract from the point of the song?

 

[Poitier]

@dora_da_destroyer are you still wenching? what makes you feel comfortable enough to speak on the culture when you laying down with brad and billy?