Charles Barkley gives his two cents on the state of the game during halftime of Warriors/Mavs

[DrexlersFade]

the average team takes 40% of their shots from 3

These dudes stay with the excuses my god the NBA is so trash.

 

[Biscayne]

It ain't just that. Refs are fixing games by picking favoritism on foul calls so now everyone wants to play like Reggie Miller to avoid contact. Every contact is a foul unless you've earned your stripes.

This is how the game has always been. Refs have always had a favoritism hierarchy amongst players. MJ being at the top of that pyramid.

 

[Peter Popoff]

This is how the game has always been. Refs have always had a favoritism hierarchy amongst players. MJ being at the top of that pyramid.

Back then MJ had tougher defenders on him. He would thrive in this era with ease. KD and LeBron are a few of the only guards that could transition well.

 

[King Biko]

It ain't just that. Refs are fixing games by picking favoritism on foul calls so now everyone wants to play like Reggie Miller to avoid contact. Every contact is a foul unless you've earned your stripes.

U can’t be a basketball fan if u think Reggie Miller ever tried to avoid contact. He’s the 90s prototype for what the game is now. 3 point shooting flopper at it best.

 

[Peter Popoff]

U can’t be a basketball fan if u think Reggie Miller ever tried to avoid contact. He’s the 90s prototype for what the game is now. 3 point shooting flopper at it best.

Reread what I said. Reggie wrote the blueprint for this eras style of play. I couldn't stand him. His flopping and refs favoritism is the reason for the lack of defense.

 

[SchoolboyC]

really you mean to tell me that the teams that have hit more shots have usually won their games

I am referring to the fact that these teams are playing a similar style to one another and little more than who hits more 3s is deciding the winner of the game

other factors aren't playing as big a role in the decision because everything else is mostly equal so that's the 1 area of the game that stands out the most now

The 3-pt shot is deciding games more in this era, because teams are taking it more, that's obvious. But in terms of shot distribution the only major difference between the NBA now and the NBA 20 years ago is that the rate in which terms took mid-range shots from 10 ft-3pt line has essentially swapped places with the rate in which teams took 3 pointers.

So I guess the question is, what's really the major difference between a team taking 40% of their shots from 3 and a team taking 40% of their shots from the mid range? If the rate of 3-pters being taken dictates that they're solely deciding the outcomes of games, wouldn't the same be said of the opposite to some extent?

 

[Swagnificent]

these young nikkas not built to dominate like this fakkit ass nikkas

Yeah these type of players don't exist anymore.

 

[Nero Christ]

The 3-pt shot is deciding games more in this era, because teams are taking it more, that's obvious. But in terms of shot distribution the only major difference between the NBA now and the NBA 20 years ago is that the rate in which terms took mid-range shots from 10 ft-3pt line has essentially swapped places with the rate in which teams took 3 pointers.

So I guess the question is, what's really the major difference between a team taking 40% of their shots from 3 and a team taking 40% of their shots from the mid range? If the rate of 3-pters being taken dictates that they're solely deciding the outcomes of games, wouldn't the same be said of the opposite to some extent?

I'm not just talking about where teams are taking a majority of their shots now or 10 -20 years ago....I am talking about what teams saw as their identity and how they implemented it every game and how it affected the decision of the game. Some teams were all about defense, some centered themselves around the bigs' post play, others their guard perimeter play, and some had a balanced attack. It's not like that anymore and that's what I'm pointing out...lack of variety in these teams is adding to this if they're not hitting 3s..."insert VC it's over gif"

 

[King Biko]

Reread what I said. Reggie wrote the blueprint for this eras style of play. I couldn't stand him. His flopping and refs favoritism is the reason for the lack of defense.

Yeah I read that totally wrong

 

[Tony D'Amato]

I saw bkake griffin hit a turnaround J in the post this season. Probably the first time Ive seen him do that in his career. It looked like a legit post move. He then proceeded to stand around the 3pt line all night long. Disgusting. NBA is unwatchable rn

 

[CHICAGO]

THE ONLY SOLUTION
IS MAKING EVERY SHOT WORTH
2 PTS FOR THE 1ST THREE QUARTERS
OF THE GAME,
IF NOT THE WHOLE GAME.​

I've been saying the NBA as we knew it died in 2014. Last great year of NBA basketball.

NAH 2015 WAS THE LAST YR.



​

 

[SchoolboyC]

I'm not just talking about where teams are taking a majority of their shots now or 10 -20 years ago....I am talking about what teams saw as their identity and how they implemented it every game and how it affected the decision of the game. Some teams were all about defense, some centered themselves around the bigs' post play, others their guard perimeter play, and some had a balanced attack. It's not like that anymore and that's what I'm pointing out...lack of variety in these teams is adding to this if they're not hitting 3s..."insert VC it's over gif"

I don't even disagree about it being a copycat league but my point is regardless of what their identity was when it's all said and done it's all leading to the same destination. At the end of the day, if both teams are taking a significant volume of one type of shot, it's reasonable to assume that whoever's converting said shot at a higher rate will have a better chance to win the game. So if two teams take 80 shots and 30-35 of those shots are from mid-range, regardless of how they got there, whoever's hitting that shot at a higher rate is probably gonna dictate who wins.

 

[UpAndComing]

Defense was terrible in the 1980s. High pace, tons of fast breaks, teams tended to just pack all their defenders into the key and give up every 3pt shot and most midrange shots without any pressure. And offenses were simplistic as fukk, a lot of two-man game with the other players standing around. Remember, Stockton and Malone running pick-and-roles with one shooter and two offensive non-factors on the court was considered a dominant play at the time.

The Pistons ruined everyone's fun by playing hard-effort defense on every play and not giving up anything. They won titles that way and other teams had to match it or be left behind. By '94-'95, everyone in the league who mattered was playing hard defense. Since the offensive skills didn't match yet (especially because rapid expansion of 6 new teams had diluted talent), pace and scoring got dragged down.

By the late 90s, teams started trying to combat suffocating defense by turning to iso-ball, just dumping the ball to the best offensive player and having him go to work while getting everyone else out of the way. That was boring as fukk, so NBA first instituted the 5-second rule and then started allowing zone defenses.

With motivated, high-movement defenses and the ability to zone, teams could cover the entire key and then some effectively. Post-ups and drives and open mid-range shots became much difficult to come by. The only way to truly beat the zone was to force defenses to respect the 3pt. It allowed offenses to shoot over the zone when players didn't come out, and to have space to drive and score inside when they did come out. So 3pt shooting became the wave.

Add in analytics which allowed teams to adapt in the same directions faster than ever before, and you have the situation today.

You said a whole lot of nothing breh

The game we see today is nothing "new". The mid 90s Rockets, Sonics, Magic, and Spurs all played a semblance of what we see today
Lots of 3 pointers, stretch 4's, versatile defenders, position-less basketball, and high athletic plays. The problem with today... NO BALANCE

No contrasting styles
No defensive culture
No varied offensive sets

You had the 1996 Magic with Shaq and Penny, play a completely different style compared to Jordan and Pippen

Today's game to me is a direct response to the 1999-2007 era with slow paced offense. The Spurs-Cavs Finals in 2007 scared the living daylights out of David Stern, and they immediately went into over rdrive with the circus playing style we see today

 

[Premeditated]

haven't watched a full game in 2 weeks. only caught Nets and Pelicans in spurts

 

[HoldThisL]

Nikkas don't know what they want. First seeing people jack up threes is entertaining and a ratings boost, now it's boring and unwatchable .

I don't know what is going on with you guys but I cant relate because I only watch Laker games. We got everything, offense, defense, midrange, threes, hustle, toughness, high iq, etc which is why we going back 2 back