Charles Barkley rants about Analytics and destroys Rocket GM

[Art Barr]

I don't disagree. But Duncan isnt a star anymore....i agree about the all stars but the analytics help you piece together spots 4-10 on your roster.

Duncan is the most pedigree'd and highest bball IQ player in the while league.
plus, the only real high bball IQ guy of the Gen.
yet, analytics are not going to help him win.
his team has to he staffed with high IQ guys who execute and that is what Leonard, the glove killer, manu, are.
plus, they are surrounded all the time by players built around the old dreem/sampson 80's rockets model of success, meets the bulls roster minus Jordan.
1st highest or next highest bball iq center, youngest high iq pf, sneaky SF who is young possible hof projection, scrappy backcourt who executes and have high pedigree on paper.
in the first case of them winning.
after that they just adjusted/malleable to what the league had.
by employing high IQ under the radar people to execute.
which included after Robinson left.
the glove killer, then later manu.
then accordingly finding a defensive wing, and serviceable big man who could execute a hair better than the bulls threeheaded monster alone at center.
sp, the spurs just know and recognize high IQ.
the problem with analytics in bball is.
if you can not recognize said talent.
you can not take analytics and apply it to bball at all.
if that was the case, a team like Philly would win.
if you had some nerd running logs, on a tablet and telling you who to put in at what time.
chuck is completely right, as bball is talent who can execute driven.



Art Barr

 

[Eternal Tecate]

in this argument about basketball.
analytics don't speak the full story like you could use for baseball like money ball.
basketball is a complextion of the talent in the game sport.
you can't really use analytics wholeheartedly to win in basketball like baseball.
you can not assemble a bunch of middle of the road no talents in bball and use analytics to win in bball.
you could pull it in baseball, but not in bball.


Art Barr

You also can't ignore analytics in basketball

 

[Eternal Tecate]

Every team in the NBA uses analytics to make decisions

 

[Art Barr]

Funniest part was Chuck saying "They never got the girls in highschool"
Then I go and look at Chucks wife

dawg, chuck is arguably the most secure player who played in his era.
he has a middle of the road wife cause he already appeased his libido.
chuck was with two women when he tossed that fool through a picture window.
plus, he is from bama.
where from being down south, having a white woman is getting the girls.
so, he already did what he said and values old.school.middle.of the road women.
like all old school guys did in their day over a looker who was entitled.
all those old ass golddiggers chuck and his guard fukked with are fukked up.
Halle, and Toni Braxton were the old Gen and next crown jewel, then.
look at the results.

Art Barr

 

[Art Barr]

You also can't ignore analytics in basketball

yes, you can and that is why the league has low bball IQ and why the spurs won, last year.
they had higher bball IQ, and were staffed to win.
it is as simple as that.
you dudes watch low IQ bball all your lives.
you have not seen anyone hit a mid range jumper, with consistency.
so, I know analytics don't work.
the problem is the bball IQ is not high enough to use analytics either.
if analytics were king in bball, a guy like Kobe would have been Harold minor.



Art Barr

 

[triplehate]

So don't none of you IT cert having ass nikkas fukk with numbers and stats?

 

[Trip]

yes, you can and that is why the league has low bball IQ and why the spurs won, last year.
they had higher bball IQ, and were staffed to win.
it is as simple as that.
you dudes watch low IQ bball all your lives.
you have not seen anyone hit a mid range jumper, with consistency.
so, I know analytics don't work.
the problem is the bball IQ is not high enough to use analytics either.
if analytics were king in bball, a guy like Kobe would have been Harold minor.



Art Barr

analytics can help you predict who high iq players are....plenty of quality "high-iq" players get lost on crappy teams run by the lower iq players. Identifying those guys is the trick- the Spurs have done a good job of doing that.

 

[Art Barr]

a lot of you nikkaz were not alive to see the number of mj clones who existed play.
so, I know a lot of you nikkaz don't know how bball IQ dropped, in that Gen.
As players became stylistic and also org's became built on trying to emulate the ship bulls model, which won't work.
they are going to get a Doug Collins at best bulls team before Scottie with Orlando/eugene banks/oakley/english/corzine.

bball is a high IQ execution of talent level sport.
there is no idle time in bball like baseball.
baseball is an intangible based sport, extensively with hordes of idle time.
where, analytics could come into play because there is so much idle time.
bball is not an analytics based sport.
you not gone find, a Kevin Costner baseball type readily and the badnews bears in bball and win.
this ain't major league with charley sheen, and a voodoo shaman talembout,yumma yumma yumma yumma yumma, ah.


Art Barr

 

[Eternal Tecate]

yes, you can and that is why the league has low bball IQ and why the spurs won, last year.
they had higher bball IQ, and were staffed to win.
it is as simple as that.
you dudes watch low IQ bball all your lives.
you have not seen anyone hit a mid range jumper, with consistency.
so, I know analytics don't work.
the problem is the bball IQ is not high enough to use analytics either.
if analytics were king in bball, a guy like Kobe would have been Harold minor.



Art Barr

you're so uninformed

the Spurs were one of the first teams to hop on the analytics train, how do you think they came up with their playstyle? Did you not notice the complete shift in style ~2010?

Smart dumb nikkas everywhere trying to kick knowledge about things they have no clue about

http://www.digitaltrends.com/sports...lp-the-san-antonio-spurs-stop-the-miami-heat/

 

[Ace2306]

Are the analytics gonna get the rockets out of the 1st rd this year? Because if chuck was right about anything it's that the rockets are not a legit contender. There's a lot of teams in the league pretending but they'll soon be exposed.

 

[Art Barr]

analytics can help you predict who high iq players are....plenty of quality "high-iq" players get lost on crappy teams run by the lower iq players. Identifying those guys is the trick- the Spurs have done a good job of doing that.

analytics are not going to help you find a struggling good player

As, there exists no tangible data to use to employ to analytics.
okay, I am a huge supporter of the long pedigree'd shooting guard no matter their height.
guys from bender to Durant, a pjiii to thon maker type.
Austin on the spurs is a guy I hoped would pan out on another team.
There are no successful analytics to see austin could be useful.
yet, he has been alright on the spurs because the spurs recognize bball IQ.
analytics used in bball gets you Jr Reid.

Art Barr

 

[Urbane]

That was a cringe-worthy video. It takes much more than analytics to create an elite franchise, but it's hard to brush to the side something that 24 teams designate jobs for. To sit there and basically yell NERD when someone points to facts is just smug and ignorant.

 

[Miggs]

Every team in the NBA uses analytics to make decisions

This is the problem,its not with analytiucs its with ppl who use them solely and think they are the be all and end all of data now.
You think every NBA team uses analytics alone to make decisions ?? When almost half the leagues coaches and GMs say they dont ?

Analytics has a place and some of the stats are interesting but they just add to the game as opposed to what teams are solely relying on like some analytical heads want you to believe....

 

[Absolut]

RC Buford said it best....


Analytics isn't the end all be all. It's a great tool when used with everything else.

Anyone using analytics always says this. It's just one piece of a much big pie. It's the people against it that are the ones who want to ignore that piece altogether, acting as if there's only one way to evaluate the game. It's not all formulas and algorithms. Basic, everyday concepts like the proliferation of the corner 3 were bred off analytics. Junking the 18 foot 2 pointers in favor of more efficient offensive approaches is analytics. No one is making decisions all the time solely on analytics, but anyone not using them at all is just being ignorant

 

[Art Barr]

you're so uninformed

the Spurs were one of the first teams to hop on the analytics train, how do you think they came up with their playstyle? Did you not notice the complete shift in style ~2010?

Smart dumb nikkas everywhere trying to kick knowledge about things they have no clue about

http://www.digitaltrends.com/sports...lp-the-san-antonio-spurs-stop-the-miami-heat/

the spurs have the higher pedigree'd and high bball IQ players.
when not Staffed properly, with high IQ players that are hof level they lose.
It is as simple as that.
talent , confidence, high employed iq, skill, height = success in bball

let's put it like this,...
your analytics would keep ho ass pussified Adrian dantley.
I would notice mark Aguirre was more hood and his ferocity would win a title with the pistons.

also, analytics trying to swallow anything meaning statistics is wrong, too.

Art Barr