I'd say the Grizz have a great shot this year, but I don't know how much their roster is based on analytics.
Charles Barkley rants about Analytics and destroys Rocket GM
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I'd say the Grizz have a great shot this year, but I don't know how much their roster is based on analytics.
Charlie Broadway
Greg Ward Jr. SZN
None of this actually takes away from Chuck's point tho...I'm sure analytics are helpful\useful....but those teams you name have GOAT players and coaches...Don't see why that's hard to understand...
Furthermore, in what capacity was analytics used....No one ever really states how they're used...
And lastly, is that white dude sure that the suns gave up 118 a game? and if so, how does that fare now as opposed to 20 plus years ago
EVERYONE understands that fool. That's why i asked y'all to link ANYONE that thinks it's anything more than a tool. This is what I'm talking about. Y'all just make up strawman arguments.
@your last statement. Barkley said good teams don't give up 118 points. Is a team that makes the finals not a good team? And as for nowadays most teams this year have given up over 118 points. The Warriors gave up 124 less than a week ago and he stays slurping them.
Lucky_Lefty
Dreams Are Colder Than Death...
Cause Morey bum ass is considered the NBA messiah to the shyt yet he has won NOTHING....how many first round exits? I don't care either way but no one, especially his legion of dikkriders in the media, don't even contemplate calling him out for his failures. If it's not he doesn't have the talent, it was he's acquiring and stacking up pieces. If not that, it's that they're one player away. When they got that one player and still fell flat on their face, then it was blame McHale. I still ask, what's the difference between him acquiring assets and trading pieces to get what he thinks will be a competitive squad to a team that just goes out and gets the pieces via FA? He's just taking the long road to getting there and getting complimented for it. He's nothing special. Now show me something to support that he's putting a competitive team together and not living out a real life franchise mode of 2k
IN case you missed it cuz ur slow,i said Haberstroh is a pro analytics guy who will attach a analytics banner along side anything successful,but when it isnt he will deviate and carefully re shape the argument and words said...Same thing Hollinger used to do at espn...
godkiller
"We are the Fury"
Analytics has its place and certainly does improve sports analysis. Barkley is just a Neanderthal that thinks because he can't understand and use math to improve decision-making, nobody else can.
Lucky_Lefty
Dreams Are Colder Than Death...
And the only reason he's on the Rockets is cause they couldn't resign Parsons. weren't any number crunching and analytics used for that acquisitionI am actually with Chuck on this analytics is better for Baseball.I will say Ariza has been better for the Rockets then I expected though.
Until the Green trade I wasn't sure the Grizz would get out of the first round but they might be the closest thing to proving chuck wrong.
Charlie Broadway
Greg Ward Jr. SZN
In what capacity was analytics used man.......?
I think that's what a lot of people want to know
Omer Asik getting paid involved some analytics. Most people thought he got paid too much at the time. Kyle Lowry was a nobody with unimpressive stats from a backup pg but he showed positive traits that someone may miss without the use of advanced stats. But yeah come lie to me about most people thought those were good moves.
Also you'd agree Corey Brewer and and Josh Smith are poor (or at least not good) 3 pt shooters right? Yet they're shooting very well since coming to Houston. Analytics will tell you that although they aren't good shooters overall they are good shooters from certain spots. The rockets just try to keep them shooting from those hot spots. So no they haven't improved as shooters they have improved their percentages by being more efficient in their shots.
Didn't Bosh thrive in the post in Toronto?
HE thrived at both...he averaged about 9 FTs the last 2 seasons but he was also pretty effective as a perimter/mid post face up big that could just beat most 5s off the dribble...The strategy he was marking out about is just common sense,most coaches would use Bosh in that way cuz it plays to his strengths...
Actually Chuck's point was that "analytics" are meaningless which is pure nonsense. Nobody in the analytics community dismisses talent. Not sure why people persist with that strawman.
To help evaluate players/contracts/optimal coaching strategies, plenty of articles on specific situations.Furthermore, in what capacity was analytics used....No one ever really states how they're used...
He said they gave up 118 11 different times the year they went to the finals, as a counter to the assertion that the Rockets weren't a great team because they gave up 118 points yesterday.
With Hollinger working there I assumed all their moves were analytics based.
Fact is I'm not totally against analytics, but when these nerds manipulate stats and try and tell me kyle korver is a better player than Kobe I just wanna open hand slap them.
Field Marshall Bradley
Veteran
EVERYONE understands that fool. That's why i asked y'all to link ANYONE that thinks it's anything more than a tool. This is what I'm talking about. Y'all just make up strawman arguments.
Boy stop with the boo boo...Its not depicted as a tool, but moreso as an ideology....Don't twist up the talking points now lil dude
Charlie Broadway
Greg Ward Jr. SZN
So this is out of ignorance? The owner wanted to rebuild without tanking. Morey is far from perfect but you can't name one team that built a championship the way the rockets are attempting to. It might be impossible yet he somehow got Harden and Dwight and a top 5 record in the league. Dude made chicken salad or of chicken shyt. Like i said he ain't perfect though. Far from it. I think most (informed) people understand he's had a difficult job and has gotten lucky along the way.
Side note i keep seeing people say he never had a team get out the 1st and it shows the ignorance. Rockets made the second Rd with Aaron Brooks and artest. Probably would've gotten to the finals if Tmac and Yao don't get hurt. That doesn't fit y'all narrative though
