Charles Barkley rants about Analytics and destroys Rocket GM

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Dude..I'm sorry, I appreciate your examples, but I don't think you needed analytics to come to any of these conclusions....

However, if this is what analytics bring to the table then so be it.....
refused to admit that Morey overpaid Asik by more than maybe $7 mill more than he would've gotten from any other team and grossly overpaying Lin in that same offseason.....but analytics made him do it
 

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No they weren't. Grizz didn't win 50games before Hollinger. Became GM in 2011/2012 season. Everyone thought the Grizz were dumb for trading Rudy Gay because of the notion you need a star wing player and Hollinger dismissed it because Gay was so ineffective.

Going by all reports, Hollinger didn't join the Grizz until December 2012, that's the 2012/2013 and he had absolutely nothing to do with that team. They were already improving every year since 2010...

2010/2011 - 46 wins
2011/2012 - 41 wins (lockout year, 4th seed)
2012/2013 - 56 wins
2013/2014 - 50 wins (Hollinger's first full year, when they tried to play uptempo and it failed)
 
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So Kyle Lowry became a starter and got paid 12 mil a season because of analytics :leon:

Id love to hear this argument...

Mr strawman :mjlol:. You really are dumb. Kyle Lowry got paid because of his talent and hard work. He did get more of an opportunity in Houston because of things like his defense and ability to get to the line in limited minutes.
 

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refused to admit that Morey overpaid Asik by more than maybe $7 mill more than he would've gotten from any other team and grossly overpaying Lin in that same offseason.....but analytics made him do it

I disagree Morey overpaid for Asik. Matter of fact he got him for cheap and then flipped him. Ignorant comment.

The owner wanted Lin back because he was mad Morey cut him before linsanity (definitely overpaid though). Morey wanted to tank. More ignorance. Anymore incorrect rockets talk you want me to clear up?

You guys that wanna shyt on Morey have plenty of ammo (basketball reasons trade, getting lucky with Harden, TWill, etc.) but y'all choose to keep listing shyt that isn't true.
 

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Mr strawman :mjlol:. You really are dumb. Kyle Lowry got paid because of his talent and hard work. He did get more of an opportunity in Houston because of things like his defense and ability to get to the line in limited minutes.

Exactly play it safe and say nothing....
All he did was get a shot to start behind a horrible starting PG and put in some work on a bad team

:trash:
 

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This is broad and so vague....to the point that I could argue that analytics weren't needed to help with these "evaluations and strategies" its not a hard question anyone is asking...But when you hire and fire GMs and Coaches and then taunt analytics as to the reason why you brought the new guys on, then yeah, it comes across as more than just a "tool"

I think the media tends to over complicate/mythologize it and people are reacting to that. Spurs shoot a bunch of corner threes because they looked at the stats and saw those were good shots. That's "using analytics". Guys like Patty Mills and Danny Green thrive in the Spurs "system" because their placing in them in positions that utilize their talents and hide their weaknesses. Again, "analytics" helps to determine what those situations are.

I haven't seen a lot of Rockets game this year, but the ones I did see, they did not look good defensively...
They're 15 in points allowed, 12 in opp field goal percentage (right behind san antonio), and #1 in opponents 3pt percentage. And that's with dwight missing major time.
 

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Exactly play it safe and say nothing....
All he did was get a shot to start behind a horrible starting PG and put in some work on a bad team

:trash:

You been saying nothing this whole time:russ:. Nobody said what you alleged. How would Morey be responsible for Lowry's contract in Toronto? You still haven't backed up anything you said.
 

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I disagree Morey overpaid for Asik. Matter of fact he got him for cheap and then flipped him. Ignorant comment.

The owner wanted Lin back because he was mad Morey cut him before linsanity (definitely overpaid though). Morey wanted to tank. More ignorance. Anymore incorrect rockets talk you want me to clear up?

You guys that wanna shyt on Morey have plenty of ammo (basketball reasons trade, getting lucky with Harden, TWill, etc.) but y'all choose to keep listing shyt that isn't true.
disagree he overpaid??? 3 yr/$25 mil with $15 mil of that on the last year and even when he did trade him, his team was still on the hook for $8-10 mil??? that's not over paying? All that for a dude who was avg 3 & 5?
 

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ok, people have to stop using the grizzlies as an example of analytics.

the core of that team(z-bo, gasol, and conley) were there and established long before the geek squad showed up.

the rudy gay had nothing to do with analytics. it had everything to do with the fact that he was making they were near the luxury tax and he was $17 mil a year.

they've done good complimenting the core, but this is not an analytical-based team by any stretch, especially their style of play.
 

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I think the media tends to over complicate/mythologize it and people are reacting to that. Spurs shoot a bunch of corner threes because they looked at the stats and saw those were good shots. That's "using analytics". Guys like Patty Mills and Danny Green thrive in the Spurs "system" because their placing in them in positions that utilize their talents and hide their weaknesses. Again, "analytics" helps to determine what those situations are.


They're 15 in points allowed, 12 in opp field goal percentage (right behind san antonio), and #1 in opponents 3pt percentage. And that's with dwight missing major time.

So corner 3s (which btw tend to be less open) are better shots automatically regardless of shot clock than mid range wide open 2s ?
 

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So corner 3s (which btw tend to be less open) are better shots automatically regardless of shot clock than mid range wide open 2s ?
Lot of qualifiers you put on that.:russ:

but according to statistics I believe so yes. Remember you have to shoot a higher percentage of 2s to make up for the point disparity.
 
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