Classics Discussion: Redman

[mobbinfms]

Muddy Waters is the one to get recognition if any. So that one is obvious. It's his most certified. Whut? Thee Album has the most qualities of a classic in terms of what it brings to the table with regards to influence, impact etc.

Dare doesn't seem to exude any of those. I feel it's the HOE situation all over again lol.

Let me ask you the question. What makes it just as relevant as the other two? Or why did you vote it a classic anyway?

I disagree about Muddy Waters. Whut is the album that gets the most recognition. It has the classic singles and its when Redman was at his peak of fame with the core hip hop community. Point blank, Redman was the man in 92. In late 96, he didn't come close to dominating like he did back then.

It really is similar to HOE. He went darker. He improved as a rapper. The singles didn't connect like they did with the first album. Stans will tell you it's better than the first album (I know Infamous isn't the first, but you get the point).

 

[mobbinfms]

Voted Muddy Waters and Dare...On the fence about Whut. I might be the only person that likes Dare over Whut though. Docs the Name is when I thought Red got extremely corny

 

[mobbinfms]

yeah.

The ones I'm on the fence about:

All Eyez On Me
Muddy Waters
Hell on Earth

I wouldn't say they're classics, but if someone said they were, I wouldn't disregard their taste.

Here's my problem with Redman albums. Let's take Muddy Waters. The production is just inconsistent.

"Creepin", "Pick It Up", "Do What You Feel" and "Whateva Man" are noticeably better than "Rock Da Spot", "Case Closed", "On Fire" and "Smoke Buddah".

Muddy Waters has 23 tracks for fux sake. You're telling me every track, or nearly every track is 10/10 and equal in quality?

Redman's albums were always too long, anyway. With similar vibes and limited subject matter.

How did you vote on Jay?

 

[mobbinfms]

#tpc
#tnt
#sohhicey
#gmb
#hoh

How many classics Redman got?

 

[SirBiatch]

How did you vote on Jay?

no classics. He's in the same sorta boat as Redman. Highly consistent with 3-4 classic tracks per album. But there isn't an album top-to-bottom of consistent classic tracks.

 

[Inspect Her Deck]

I disagree about Muddy Waters. Whut is the album that gets the most recognition. It has the classic singles and its when Redman was at his peak of fame with the core hip hop community. Point blank, Redman was the man in 92. In late 96, he didn't come close to dominating like he did back then.

It really is similar to HOE. He went darker. He improved as a rapper. The singles didn't connect like they did with the first album. Stans will tell you it's better than the first album (I know Infamous isn't the first, but you get the point).

idk man I feel that TODAY, Muddy Waters is his most recognisable album, and that's the main reason Redman decided to do a Muddy Waters 2, rather than a Whut? 2 or something else. But I agree with your valuation of Redman in 92 compared to 96. He was the biggest rapper in 1992.

 

[mobbinfms]

idk man I feel that TODAY, Muddy Waters is his most recognisable album, and that's the main reason Redman decided to do a Muddy Waters 2, rather than a Whut? 2 or something else. But I agree with your valuation of Redman in 92 compared to 96. He was the biggest rapper in 1992.

That's a damn good point

 

[Taadow]

I voted for Whut? and Muddy Waters. Unsure on Dare as a 'classic' but saying no for now.

This is what I did.

 

[Taadow]

What makes you think DIAD is any more or less relevant than the other two?

Dare Iz A Darkside is the more spaced-out, "cosmic slop" Red...it doesn't bump like the two albums it's between.
Biggie had a point.

That and...the album is tight, but it doesn't have a landmark track on it to me.
The singles was aight, but it doesn't have any deep tracks on it that I think are recognizable to the average listener.
Personally, my favorite cuts are "Green Island" and "Slide & Rock On"...but as I said, if you walk up on a random person
at the wrecka stow and say "ayo - what's your favorite cuts of Dare Iz A Darkside?" I think they might look up in the
sky and say "Hmmm...what was on that again?"

 

[dizzy4111]

Yes on Whut, MW, and Dare Iz...

That's as strong of a 3 album run to start a career as we've seen in hip-hop.

 

[Inspect Her Deck]

Dare Iz A Darkside is the more spaced-out, "cosmic slop" Red...it doesn't bump like the two albums it's between.
Biggie had a point.

That and...the album is tight, but it doesn't have a landmark track on it to me.
The singles was aight, but it doesn't have any deep tracks on it that I think are recognizable to the average listener.
Personally, my favorite cuts are "Green Island" and "Slide & Rock On"...but as I said, if you walk up on a random person
at the wrecka stow and say "ayo - what's your favorite cuts of Dare Iz A Darkside?" I think they might look up in the
sky and say "Hmmm...what was on that again?"

I'm not questioning its bump ability lol but I do agree with regards to recognition, and since it has no notable influence or anything, I don't know how to praise it other than its quality.

 

[phatphuck]

red is entertaining and its my favourite category of rap but subject matter is too one dimensional

really tough. love the first 3 on another day i might give it to them all but in the end it went to dare iz a darkside cuz that's my personal favourite. if snoop dropped 3 doggystyle quality type albums but with the same subjects throughout i'd only give the classic status to one nah i mean?

 

[Zero]

No classics. A couple great albums. He was one of my favorite rappers growing up. He's just never made that classic contender album. He has classic tracks on every album up until Malpractice, tho

Not even Muddy Waters breh

 

[patscorpio]

Dare Iz A Darkside is the more spaced-out, "cosmic slop" Red...it doesn't bump like the two albums it's between.
Biggie had a point.

That and...the album is tight, but it doesn't have a landmark track on it to me.
The singles was aight, but it doesn't have any deep tracks on it that I think are recognizable to the average listener.
Personally, my favorite cuts are "Green Island" and "Slide & Rock On"...but as I said, if you walk up on a random person
at the wrecka stow and say "ayo - what's your favorite cuts of Dare Iz A Darkside?" I think they might look up in the
sky and say "Hmmm...what was on that again?"

true....very true

 

[JCalli]

Whut Thee - classic. His most classic album, if that makes sense. Redman was THE man when this dropped. And Sermon's production was crazy.

Muddy Waters - classic. I've not heard anyone say it isn't . It's my personal choice of Red's albums, ended 1996 perfectly

Like some others Dare i'm on the fence about, but inclined to say its a touch below classic. I certainly think it's his most unappreciated album though, probably because its more gritty.

I voted for these 2 as classic