Classics Discussion: Redman

[mobbinfms]

Time For Some Action
Tonites The Night
Can't Wait
Watch Yo Nuggets
How High Remix (if this counts)

 

[BmoreGorilla]

All this thread is doing is solidifying just how underrated he was. No solo rapper from 92-2000 was coming out with such a consistently high level of quality music. shyt aint even close

 

[patscorpio]

I might have to listen to the first three again.
1 is over the Johny Guitar Watson beat right?

yup

 

[patscorpio]

all the soopaman luva joints

 

[Taadow]

Can't Wait is landmark Red to me, but I think you're right about landmark deep tracks. I kind of think that's true for Muddy Waters as well

But "Can't Wait" was a single, doe...see I weigh those differently.

If a deep track is nearly about as known/popular/revered as a single is, then it gets more credence
than a single because it's more likely to have been heard by the average listener being that it was
on TV or the radio.

Now using this logic - this is a large part of the reason why I said Muddy Waters IS a classic.
Yes, "Pick It Up" and "Whateva Man" were legit hits (bigger than "Can't Wait" I would say), but:

- everybody who knows of Red knows "Smoke Buddah"

- I don't remember if "It's Like That" was a single or not, but that beat was showing up a lot of places -
like in the background of mix shows and whatnot...

- on the "Pick It Up" video, everybody was like "Yo, wtf is that beat at the end of the video when everybody is raising the roof??"
then you got the album and saw it was "Welcome"

- "Do What You Feel" is a landmark deep track because (1) it's the only thing Pras ever did outside of Fugees
that anybody that was dope, and (2) after this was the third instance of Red & Meth together somewhere. This was
impetus to the murmurs of "maaan, Meth & Red are dope together they should do a project..."

- "Soopaman Luva 3" is probably the best one of the series.

- here was the clincher: if you don't remember ANYTHING ELSE about Muddy Waters, you remember THE SKITS!!
Muddy Waters has got the be the best use of skits on a rap album ever...it's like the only album where you might listen to all the skits.
* "our phone lines are open for all you high muthafuccers, at 1-800 DICCINYOURBOOTY"
* "I got a soda"
* the chickenhead convention skit
* N.I.N. - Niccas in Newark show
* Soopaman Luva getting his dicc sucked during the interview

Muddy Waters is solidified in my opinion.

 

[BmoreGorilla]

No order....

Time4SumAksion
So Ruff
Green Island
Can't Wait
Creepin'

idk if this is legit tbh...I'm just choosing the first 5 that come to my head

The way they flipped that Flashlight sample

 

[BmoreGorilla]

But "Can't Wait" was a single, doe...see I weigh those differently.

If a deep track is nearly about as known/popular/revered as a single is, then it gets more credence
than a single because it's more likely to have been heard by the average listener being that it was
on TV or the radio.

Now using this logic - this is a large part of the reason why I said Muddy Waters IS a classic.
Yes, "Pick It Up" and "Whateva Man" were legit hits (bigger than "Can't Wait" I would say), but:

- everybody who knows of Red knows "Smoke Buddah"

- I don't remember if "It's Like That" was a single or not, but that beat was showing up a lot of places -
like in the background of mix shows and whatnot...

- on the "Pick It Up" video, everybody was like "Yo, wtf is that beat at the end of the video when everybody is raising the roof??"
then you got the album and saw it was "Welcome"

- "Do What You Feel" is a landmark deep track because (1) it's the only thing Pras ever did outside of Fugees
that anybody that was dope, and (2) after this was the third instance of Red & Meth together somewhere. This was
impetus to the murmurs of "maaan, Meth & Red are dope together they should do a project..."

- "Soopaman Luva 3" is probably the best one of the series.

- here was the clincher: if you don't remember ANYTHING ELSE about Muddy Waters, you remember THE SKITS!!
Muddy Waters has got the be the best use of skits on a rap album ever...it's like the only album where you might listen to all the skits.
* "our phone lines are open for all you high muthafuccers, at 1-800 DICCINYOURBOOTY"
* "I got a soda"
* the chickenhead convention skit
* N.I.N. - Niccas in Newark show
* Soopaman Luva getting his dicc sucked during the interview

Muddy Waters is solidified in my opinion.

Its Like That was the first single off Muddy Waters. Your right about the skits. He raised the bar in that regard even tho a lot of them remind me of something of Death Certificate

 

[Inspect Her Deck]

The way they flipped that Flashlight sample

that beat during the hook sounds like a T-Rex jamming in the middle of town

 

[mobbinfms]

But "Can't Wait" was a single, doe...see I weigh those differently.

I know. I was saying its a landmark Red single.

If a deep track is nearly about as known/popular/revered as a single is, then it gets more credence
than a single because it's more likely to have been heard by the average listener being that it was
on TV or the radio.

Agree 100%

- everybody who knows of Red knows "Smoke Buddah"

I don't know about that. Great song though.

- I don't remember if "It's Like That" was a single or not, but that beat was showing up a lot of places -
like in the background of mix shows and whatnot...

It was a flip of Cold Getting Dumb.

- on the "Pick It Up" video, everybody was like "Yo, wtf is that beat at the end of the video when everybody is raising the roof??"
then you got the album and saw it was "Welcome"

This is so true. I think the album dropped before that video though
My memory was thinking the beat sounded 1000 times better at the end of the video then just in the normal sequence of the album and being like and having a newfound appreciation for it.

- "Do What You Feel" is a landmark deep track because (1) it's the only thing Pras ever did outside of Fugees
that anybody that was dope, and (2) after this was the third instance of Red & Meth together somewhere. This was
impetus to the murmurs of "maaan, Meth & Red are dope together they should do a project..."

Red got rhyme of the month for that too.
Still...I don't think it is a landmark track like that.

- "Soopaman Luva 3" is probably the best one of the series.

I'm going with 1 or 2. I need to review to be certain. It was a nice flip on the One Love sample and the closer "Oh shyt! It was that brother Parrish Smith!" was

- here was the clincher: if you don't remember ANYTHING ELSE about Muddy Waters, you remember THE SKITS!!
Muddy Waters has got the be the best use of skits on a rap album ever...it's like the only album where you might listen to all the skits.
* "our phone lines are open for all you high muthafuccers, at 1-800 DICCINYOURBOOTY"
* "I got a soda"
* the chickenhead convention skit
* N.I.N. - Niccas in Newark show
* Soopaman Luva getting his dicc sucked during the interview

I don't really agree with most of your points, but you've definitely convinced me of the larger point, that Muddy Waters is a classic beyond doubt.

 

[Taadow]

Red got rhyme of the month for that too.
Still...I don't think it is a landmark track like that.

I'll say this: when I talk about a song being a "landmark" track,
i'm not just talking about the song contents, but the rammifications/impact.

I'm going with 1 or 2. I need to review to be certain. It was a nice flip on the One Love sample and the closer "Oh shyt! It was that brother Parrish Smith!" was

I remember we had a thread about this years ago...I think we came to the consensus
that 3 was the best.

 

[arel]

It seems somewhat odd giving redman this many classics (first three) given what others have been afforded so far in #coliclassics but I can't think of any reason not to give him 3.

 

[BmoreGorilla]

It seems somewhat odd giving redman this many classics (first three) given what others have been afforded so far in #coliclassics but I can't think of any reason not to give him 3.

These discussions really make you think. There's very few MCs with the body of work Redman has. Nas very well might be the GOAT but even he was never as consistent as Redman. The problem with him is that after 2000 he became a caricature of himself. But I can't think of any other rapper who is as fun to listen to. No other rapper can make albums with 20 plus tracks and keep you entertained the whole time

 

[The_Hillsta]

Redman was that dude when he dropped, bugged the fukk out on wax. Had me rockin the black beanie flipped down over the eyes in 80 degree weather How raw was this muthafukkin cut though......Man....vocal samples of your favorite rappers of that time, scratchin on the hooks, songs drenched in funk and soul, what the fukk happened? Where'd the time go? nikkaz is some dinosaurs forreal

 

[BmoreGorilla]

Redman was that dude when he dropped, bugged the fukk out on wax. Had me rockin the black beanie flipped down over the eyes in 80 degree weather How raw was this muthafukkin cut though......Man....vocal samples of your favorite rappers of that time, scratchin on the hooks, songs drenched in funk and soul, what the fukk happened? Where'd the time go? nikkaz is some dinosaurs forreal

Only Redman coulda got away with using AIDS jokes in 92

 

[The_Hillsta]

Only Redman coulda got away with using AIDS jokes in 92

Put that shyt in the same sentence as OPP knowin how popular that cut was still............MESSAGE!!!!!!