Counterprogramming in Wrestling (does it help or is it destructive)

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Who is ignoring that or saying WWE isn't doing it too?

Y'all really pathetic man. EVERYTHING is "oh but what about WWE" even when you mention them :dead:

I ain't playing that game lol I've seen your posts and I'm one of the few here who watches both promotions and I actually spend my money on WWE tickets unlike some of the most staunchest stans on here lmaoooooooo

I can GUARANTEE YOU... I've been to more WWE shows and in the front row more than anyone here unless your name is Green Shirt Guy

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Dudes pretending to give a shyt about ROH when I was the only one upping the old thread and watching their shows. :mjlol:
Keep that same energy for TNA who is actually still operating as its own company while WWE "raids" them


Either way, your timeline is all fukked up and engaging in any discourse with you is an absolute shyt show as usual, so I'm gonna go run these miles and hit the mariners game.
 
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I ain't playing that game lol I've seen your posts and I'm one of the few here who watches both promotions and I actually spend my money on WWE tickets unlike some of the most staunchest stans on here lmaoooooooo

I can GUARANTEE YOU... I've been to more WWE shows and in the front row more than anyone here unless your name is Green Shirt Guy

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So...you're more super of a fan than me?

Cool? Props? I don't even get this argument :mjlol:
 

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Keep that same energy for TNA who is actually still operating as its own company while WWE "raids" them


Either way, your timeline is all fukked up and engaging in any discourse with you is an absolute shyt show as usual, so I'm gonna go run these miles and hit the mariners game.

Please explain how my timeline is “fukked up”? :usure:

And I don’t watch TNA so I don’t know what you mean by “same energy.”

Edit: I see where you think the issue is: All In was in 2018 and G1 Supercard was in 2019. AEW was officially announced in January 2019 but didn’t have a show until mid year.

Still, it was the pandemic that killed ROH. They were still operating during Covid and that played a huge role in its demise. Despite being a known name in the industry they were still an independent company.
 
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So...you're more super of a fan than me?

Cool? Props? I don't even get this argument :mjlol:

How do you not get it? You tried turning my post into a stan war and I'm someone who actually spends money on WWE my entire life lol... Why would I spend hundreds of dollars on tickets for something I don't like? Make it make sense breh... the fact is, WWE did all the shyt I said they did :manny:
 

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How do you not get it? You tried turning my post into a stan war and I'm someone who actually spends money on WWE my entire life lol... Why would I spend hundreds of dollars on tickets for something I don't like? Make it make sense breh... the fact is, WWE did all the shyt I said they did :manny:
At this point we gotta stop arguing with the same posters who already have their mind made up. They hate AEW but can’t stop talking about it.

Only reason I engaged was because I was quoted. I just pointed out an observation and some facts about the dumb shyt they posted and one of them took offense to being called out. :manny:
 
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How many times have I talked about attending WWE shows, I even put up pictures in the threads and shyt, I have been to a bunch of RAW/SD! and PPVs.

But because I also watch AEW and I criticize WWE booking and/or business practices from time to time, we gotta turn it into some stan thing, don't get it
 

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What he did to ROH was way worse. First the elite and like 80% of the All In card leaves roh and forms aew. Then he promoted that aew talent can work with other companies and continue to work with roh, and they can work on his show too....then he starts signing all of them from ROH, and guts their roster....then he buys ROH for scraps.

It is also noteworthy that the essential nail in the coffin for ROH was the msg g1 supercard show, which was announced BEFORE all in occured, and had a trash roster from ROH because they were gutted, and aew then used that opportunity to work with NJPW more, and subsequently signed their best talent too.


It's absolutely no less predatory than anything Vince did to AWA or Houston Wrestling

Let's bring some reality here:

1) The All In Event was announced 6 months before the G1 MSG show was announced.

2) If you want to talking about raids, probably should ask yourself why ROH had the contracts for Hangman Page, the Bucks, SCU, and Cody Rhodes all expire at the same damn time. If they aren't under contract, its not a talent raid at all.

3) As far as MLW goes, IIRC they only prohibited WWE. Salty Court Bauer only changed the contracts to add AEW once MJF and Pillman Jr. bounced.
 
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It's destructive......to NXT. It shows that NXT isn't really "cared about" within the TKO executive room because if they really cared about NXT they'd be trying to hype it more and give NXT it's own weekend. So basically we got guys like Trick and Oba who they are putting in random ass places at random times. Another example of Triple H being :mjpls: by not giving these guys their own night.

These guys are WWE fans through and through and even they are saying it's bad for NXT


I watched this yesterday. Was a very well reasoned argument. Mentioned the reasons I've brought up and does a good job on expanding on it more. And these are guys that prefer the WWE weekly product over AEW.
 

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I thought WWE didn't care about AEW though? What's funny to me is that Tony Khan's cokehead ass has been quiet all year and it's actually people at TKO who have been referencing the "competition" over and over. Hunter should be focusing on his own programs cause a lot of it's been boring us..
It's like negative recruiting in college athletics - you don't have to talk shyt about your opponents to a kid if you truly believe and are capable of communicating you why you are the superior program on its own merits.

You only need to talk shyt about them because you have an inferior product or you're too incompetent to properly market the merits of your own program.

See how much AEW talked about WWE when AEW was at it's worst but WWE barely talked about AEW when they were at their peak? :sas1:
 

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The case with ROH is more about the talent that was drawing for them taking their ball and making their own promotion and basically killing the appeal of their shows and product as a whole. There wasn't a lot for ROH to do once AEW was created, they were no longer the "big indy promotion" in the U.S. Hell, NXT had sorta taken that role, and now there was a new national promotion with The Elite as their main attraction, they were dead on the water.

It's like Baba and Inoki leaving to create All Japan and New Japan and fukking over JWA. Or Misawa taking his whole crew to creat NOAH and leaving All Japan in a dire situation, or Maeda leaving NJ to create the OG UWF. If Rossy Ogawa would've have more financial backing he probably would've hurt STARDOM more once he created Marigold as well.

Hell, The Elite creating AEW also meant PWG basically ceased to exist.
 
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The case with ROH is more about the talent that was drawing for them taking their ball and making their own promotion and basically killing the appeal of their shows.

It's like Baba and Inoki leaving to create All Japan and New Japan and fukking over JWA. Or Misawa taking his whole crew to creat NOAH and leaving All Japan in a dire situation (or Maeda leaving NJ to create the OG UWF). If Rossy Ogawa would've have more financial backing he probably would've hurt STARDOM more once he created Marigold as well.

Hell, The Elite creating AEW also meant PWG basically ceased to exist.

Na, you can’t put much blame on Bucks and crew leaving and letting ROH sink. @Cattle Mutilation brought up an interesting point of NXT B&G coming along and starting ROH’s decline. I’m pretty sure there were talks about it back then.

Look at the 2018 roster and tell me how many stars ROH had. And look at it from that time perspective:


Cody came in and gave ROH some credibility. Besides Cody, Marty Scurll was the most popular name and ROH decided to pass him up for fukkin Taven. Os and ZSJ weren’t regulars so they couldn’t do much with booking them.

NXT B&G, the creation of AEW, and finally Covid led to ROH closing shop before TK bought it.
 
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Na, you can’t put much blame on Bucks and crew leaving and letting ROH sink. @Cattle Mutilation brought up an interesting point of NXT B&G coming along and starting ROH’s decline.

Look at the 2018 roster and tell me how many stars ROH had. And look at it from that time perspective:


Cody came in and gave ROH some credibility. Besides Cody, Marty Scurll was the most popular name and ROH decided to pass him up for fukkin Taven. Os and ZSJ weren’t regulars so they couldn’t do much with booking them.

NXT B&G, the creation of AEW, and finally Covid led to ROH closing shop before TK bought it.
I'm not putting blame on anyone. It's a fact ROH lost the act (Cody included in the Elite pack) that was drawing historic numbers for them and was left in a market were all the real top indy talent was being taken away -already by NXT or was about to leave for more money in AEW-, it's a natural thing that occurs in the business :manny:
 
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