Did Any Basketball Hall of Famer have Less Help than...

[MooseMouthMthafuga]

Doc
Eddie Johnson, one of greatest scorers everybody forgot was great
young Antoine “OG Big Dog” Carr
prime Tree Rollins
they had Lorenzo Charles right after The Miracle Game, but he played Nique’s position
Plastic Man
Mookie Blaylock, perhaps the best defensive guard after GP and Mike

95% of the players you listed =Good 6th man tier.Somebody

mentioned Dirk, but I'd take an decrepit Kidd, old Shawn Ma-

rion, Finley, Josh Howard, or even Tyson Chandler over any

of those guys

 

[A Tribe Called Quest ™]

Dirk had a squad pretty much every year of his career and was considered a choker, soft, and an underachiever until he won in 2011

If we being real from the mid 00's-to the present day .. What #2 option or even 3rd did he even have.. His teams were stacked depth wise, but Josh Howard as your 2nd option isn't cutting it

 

[ISO]

If we being real from the mid 00's-to the present day .. What #2 option or even 3rd did he even have.. His teams were stacked depth wise, but Josh Howard as your 2nd option isn't cutting it

His teams had depth they could score the rock and had enough defenders to hide him. It was seasons Jason Terry and Josh Howard was putting up close to 20 a game and Jason Kidd was still making All-Star and All-Defense teams.

Dirk choked his azz off and lost in the first round to the Warriors as an MVP on a 67 win team

 

[MooseMouthMthafuga]

It can’t be Hakeem. He can’t be over Ewing he had Clyde for one of his rings and he played with Ralph Sampson earlier in his career. He also played on a “superteam” with Charles Barkley and Scottie Pippen.

Also, Hakeem in ‘94 may not have had a high volume secondary scorer. But what he did have was the best spacing/shooting of any team and the most clutch collection of role players in history.

Sam Cassell, Robert Horry, Mario Elie, Kenny Smith all had critical games or gamewinners. They was called Clutch City for a reason.

I expect stats to decrease in the playoffs, especially for role players. I'm using regular season to gauge what you got in general and all year and overall where you're at.
I'm not sleepin on em, they're what I said They did their thing, but the only real shooter there was Kenny until the playoffs - then you can add Horry and Casell who started hittin. They did their thing, but over the course of the whole year none of them were dimers and Kenny was the only shooter

Plus in '94, I believe Cassell/Horry were both rookies.

Hakeem had them dudes getting wide open shots.

Hakeem's the real reason Barkley has no rings.The

Suns had them down 3-1 one of those years, but

couldn't close the deal.In fact, I believe the Suns were

up 3-1 in both '94 & '95...But yeah what Hakeem did

with that '94 squad, he has to be up there

 

[ISO]

I expect stats to decrease in the playoffs, especially for role players. I'm using regular season to gauge what you got in general and all year and overall where you're at.
I'm not sleepin on em, they're what I said They did their thing, but the only real shooter there was Kenny until the playoffs - then you can add Horry and Casell who started hittin. They did their thing, but over the course of the whole year none of them were dimers and Kenny was the only shooter

For that time those were shooters. The Rockets were the number one three point shooting team in the association. Hakeem had a spacing and depth that Ewing and D-Rob didn’t have.

Those guys put in major work and made a lot of clutch shots and clutch performances.

 

[shopthatwrecks]

Shawn Merrion, Jason Terry, Tyson Chandler, Josh Howard to add to your list

marquis daniels deshawn stevenson dennis rodman

 

[The_Third_Man]

Ewing had less help in his prime

Olajuwon won a title with no one else averaging over 14ppg in 94

against an even less talented Knicks team

 

[The_Third_Man]

lol@ Dirk being mentioned

Mav were the laughing stock of the league at some point because no matter how hard their front office tried to spend money and acquire players, they almost always fell short in the playoffs.

 

[KingJay]

For that time those were shooters. The Rockets were the number one three point shooting team in the association. Hakeem had a spacing and depth that Ewing and D-Rob didn’t have.

Those guys put in major work and made a lot of clutch shots and clutch performances.

They were 1st in attempts, but 15th in percentage. They were 15th on offense, their second ranked defense led them through the regular season and in the Finals Cassell and Kenny were the only ones making them. They had some balance around Hakeem sure in terms of roles, but that doesn't mean they excelled at it

You're also talkin shyt from 95 when I'm talkin about 94 my guy
Hakeem had a crew in 95 and they were shootin it

 

[A Tribe Called Quest ™]

His teams had depth they could score the rock and had enough defenders to hide him. It was seasons Jason Terry and Josh Howard was putting up close to 20 a game and Jason Kidd was still making All-Star and All-Defense teams.

Dirk choked his azz off and lost in the first round to the Warriors as an MVP on a 67 win team

Kidd was making All Star teams still of clout, and injury replacements . Jamal Crawford, Lou Williams, and numerous of other sixth mans have averaged close to 20 PPG on playoff teams, does that make them a viable a 2nd option? ... Dirk used to choke at times, but he was also going to the NBA Finals and being cheated out of rings I don't know how Dirk was ever viewed as underachiever? Choker, yes sure but underachiever. Before 2011 he had already reached the Finals, had an MVP, multiple WCF's

 

[Taadow]

I agree that Worthy coming out of NC was the consensus top pick...but I don’t agree that they were anywhere near the same. I respect what Worthy did for the Lakers, but he was nowhere near the player Dominique proved to be. Perhaps it was because of the presence of Magic and Kareem that Worthy’s numbers pale in comparison, but having watched them both....I’m taking Wilkins all day.

Worthy coulda had the same numbers Dominique had if he was in the same situation.

Dominique wouldn’t be scoring 25 per on the same team with Magic, Kareem, Byron, and Perkins, either.
James was the main one on that Lakers team playing above the rim - he was the finisher; the oop catcher...that’s all Nique woulda been used for as well.

 

[Rakim Allah]

Worthy coulda had the same numbers Dominique had if he was in the same situation.

Dominique wouldn’t be scoring 25 per on the same team with Magic, Kareem, Byron, and Perkins, either.
James was the main one on that Lakers team playing above the rim - he was the finisher; the oop catcher...that’s all Nique woulda been used for as well.

Worthy spin in the post.

 

[Ineedmoney504]

Kevin Garnett before he got to the Celtics for sure

 

[gtj1982]

So now any NBA player at any stage in their career counts as having help? shyt is so transparent. In my lifetime I'd say I felt the worse for Ewing. He was amazing and never got to run with a player that could match his level.

 

[Primetime]

Mookie Blaylock and the Plastic Man come to mind, but I can't think of any other HOFer that had less.




He didn't defend for shyt though.




They did pull in Dikembe who was All-NBA both years he played with Iverson.

In A.I.'s last years in Philly they finally brought in a squad (signed Keith van Horn and Webber and drafted Iggy and Korver), but he didn't stay around long enough to see if it would work.

Then those Denver years he had prime Carmelo, Nene, Kenyon Martin, Camby, J.R. Smith, etc. I actually think coaching was that team's biggest problem. You'd watch them play and it was one of the greatest assortments of talent I'd ever seen, but they STAYED taking the most difficult fukking shots. With that much talent on the floor they could have worked together and gotten easy ass shots off of AI breaking down defenses, Carmelo drawing double teams, JR stretching the floor....but instead they just launched one off-balance 20-footer after another. George Karl is one of the most overrated coaches in history.

Thats my go to team on 2k





Pace and space and let them of


Mid range

Kenyon and camby on the boards

JR more as a slasher



Basic Andre Miller backup



Yeah that team should have done more

Yup. You can't say Iverson never had a squad and then ignore the 07 & 08 Nuggets. That was a more talented roster than Deron Williams 07 Jazz that went to the WCFs and more talented than CP3's '08 Hornets that took the Spurs to game 7 in the 2nd round.

Very next year, Billups took essentially the same Denver squad and coach to the WCFs. Meanwhile, Iverson went to a Piston team that won 59 games the year before/ took the '08 Celtics to 6 games in the ECFs.. in '09 with Iverson them nyggas barely won 38 games and got swept out the first round with AI walking out on the team bc of his beef with Rip.

I'm sure there was a multitude of issues going on as to why the Nuggets and Pistons didn't work with AI, but it wasn't because of a lack of talent relative to the other teams in the conference.