Do you have a good reason to believe in god?

[InfinateOpulance]

The entire Universe was 100% Hydrogen at first. Then Helium quickly developed in like a fraction of a second. The rest of the elements were made inside stars comprised totally of the first two elements.

So the other elements HAVE to come from Hydrogen since it is the only element created in the Big Bang

If I could rep you for this I would.

 

[Rekorb]

i know you believe in this woo stuff but he doesn't. i'll say it again, HE DOESN'T BELIEVE IN SPIRITS OR SOULS.

if you want to create your own definition of what the word 'spiritual' is then you'll just be talking to yourself.

Did you watch the video? He explains what spirituality and he stated in the other video I posted to reach the level of Buddha or Jesus Christ you have to be spiritual.

Do I really have to breakdown what he said?

 

[Menelik II]

Did you watch the video? He explains what spirituality and he stated in the other video I posted to reach the level of Buddha or Jesus Christ you have to be spiritual.

Do I really have to breakdown what he said?

he is not using the word spiritual in the classic context.

SPIRITUAL - "relating to or affecting the human spirit or soul as opposed to material or physical things."

If you or he want to use it in redefine it then fine.

 

[InfinateOpulance]

Before there was matter there was just emptiness. G-d realized G-d existed, which is no mall feat cause there was no object outside to be relative to. Nothing within. No movement. But the realization that G-d exists was the Big Bang / let there be light moment.

The substance came forth as the manifestation of the thought. The "word". We are G-d's "imagination" but G-d's "word" becomes flesh. It manifests physically.

G-d created everything but not by reaching down and shaping it out of mud. The most basic particles had the "knowledge" to become the more complex ones. The dirt and water "knew" how to become creatures. So in that way it was all laid out in the first instant.

There is some mechanism by which G-d creates effects in real time but it doesn't seem to be physically talking or teleporting things in a "magic" way. It seems to be subtle enough that it leaves room to totally doubt G-d's very existence. G-d hides.

Why? So that you have to be serious about finding G-d and you have to exert alot of effort. That whole journey is what makes you fit enough to have the experience.

I agree with everything above except that "God hides". God doesn't hide, it's just that we are so far removed from him in our natural state, that it appears He doesn't exist. But his creations speak for him.

 

[InfinateOpulance]

Your making assumptions without evidence. Where is the evidence that backs up what you are claiming?

You are asking an impossible question. What evidence could we give you in 2017 of something that took place before time was even recorded or started ????

 

[Rekorb]

he is not using the word spiritual in the classic context.

SPIRITUAL - "relating to or affecting the human spirit or soul as opposed to material or physical things."

If you or he want to use it in redefine it then fine.

He feels any affect on psychology and consciousness is done through spirituality. This is from the video. He acknowledges Buddha and Christ were spiritual, and to reach their level you have to be spiritual.

Did I misrepresent what he said?

Can time stamp the video where it contradicts what I said?

 

[Ghost Utmost]

Maybe so, but I believe this is an important topic.

Has yet to answer.

This thread was a question to religious folks to get their take on the subject. Not one time have I ever heard/read someone give a valid reason for their belief in God. It all boils down to having faith.

Again all you have done was state claim after claim with no evidence to back up your statements.

No reason will ever be valid to you.

That's like asking people who do drugs why they do drugs just so you can tell them they shouldn't do drugs.

You're not asking a question, you're intellectually masterbating, thinking you're dropping knowledge.

So don't believe in G-d. Find something worthwhile to do while you're not believeing and talk to people about another subject.

 

[Menelik II]

He feels any affect on psychology and consciousness is done through spirituality.

No, you are totally misrepresenting him. the video is saying that society should redefine the word spirituality.

This is from the video. He acknowledges Buddha and Christ were spiritual, and to reach their level you have to be spiritual.

again he doesn't say that or even mean that. In fact Sam doesn't rate Jesus at all, he thinks was just a crazy hippie, and doesn't believe any of the bible miracle stories to be true.

Did I misrepresent what he said?

Can time stamp the video where it contradicts what I said?

yes. he doesn't believe in classic spirituality, he believes in changing the definition of spirituality, because spirits other dimensions or any other woo don't exist. to him spirituality is gained through natural processes i.e. meditation and psychadelics

unless you are going to bring some quote of him saying he believes in 'spirits' then this is pointless.

 

[Ghost Utmost]

I agree with everything above except that "God hides". God doesn't hide, it's just that we are so far removed from him in our natural state, that it appears He doesn't exist. But his creations speak for him.

It's not meant say G-d is here then retreats from here, cause the very substance of everything is literally made of the consciousness. Just that no instrument will be able to detect, so ultimately you have to use your mind to make the conclusion. There will never be something that can prove it in the way OP is calling for.

I personify G-d by framing this as a tactic used to make us really work for the experience, but it's really just a feature baked in to the Universe. Like the "no free lunch" idiom. You win the lottery and lose all your old friends. You ban booze and create the mafia.

You have to have faith to see the divine.

 

[DREAMZZZ]

You should ask him...ask God who created him. PM me when you get your answer.

That is not my job, I am not the one claiming that he exists.

 

[DREAMZZZ]

You are asking an impossible question. What evidence could we give you in 2017 of something that took place before time was even recorded or started ????

This is exactly my original point. Again the OP asks the question is there a good reason to believe in God. Without any evidence leading to or proving that he exists, the answer should be no.

 

[DREAMZZZ]

No reason will ever be valid to you.

That's like asking people who do drugs why they do drugs just so you can tell them they shouldn't do drugs.

You're not asking a question, you're intellectually masterbating, thinking you're dropping knowledge.

So don't believe in G-d. Find something worthwhile to do while you're not believeing and talk to people about another subject.

@ making this about me and not the topic.

 

[InfinateOpulance]

That is not my job, I am not the one claiming that he exists.

But you started a thread asking folks a reason for their belief in Him.

If you are asking people reasons for their faith, it is your job to find out if it's true or not, not the people you are asking.

If you didn't care or believe that he could possibly exist we wouldn't be having this conversation.

 

[InfinateOpulance]

This is exactly my original point. Again the OP asks the question is there a good reason to believe in God. Without any evidence leading to or proving that he exists, the answer should be no.

The "evidence" provided doesn't please you. So you conclude he doesn't exist. If that's the conclusion you choose to have, just leave it at that and keep it moving.

 

[InfinateOpulance]

It's not meant say G-d is here then retreats from here, cause the very substance of everything is literally made of the consciousness. Just that no instrument will be able to detect, so ultimately you have to use your mind to make the conclusion. There will never be something that can prove it in the way OP is calling for.

I personify G-d by framing this as a tactic used to make us really work for the experience, but it's really just a feature baked in to the Universe. Like the "no free lunch" idiom. You win the lottery and lose all your old friends. You ban booze and create the mafia.

You have to have faith to see the divine.

Mankind has to put down his pride,ego, and intellect in order to "see" God. Cleverly ironic if you ask me.