Five Reasons Draymond Green Should Have Won 2016 DPOY

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

OP posting gif of Tacklemond forcing KD to miss a shot makes no sense...

Let's take a look at KD numbers against GS this year...

March 3rd : 11 - 17 for 32 points

Feb 27th : 13 - 28 for 37

Feb 6th : 12 - 25 for 40

Don't see how it is possible to say a guy can guard the perimeter "even if it's Kevin Durant" when KD scored higher than his average against GS every single time they played this year on right around 50% shooting...it would seem that not only did Tacklemond not play good defense against KD in these games but no one played good defense in these games...

This is pretty much the equivalent of me trying to prop up Kawhi defensive ability and then I post a clip of him blocking Kyrie Irving shot...from the game in which Kyrie dropped 50 points on the Spurs in San Antonio and single handily beat them...

From that game -

You know the funniest thing about this? Durant scored ONE basket while Draymond was guarding him. He scored all of two points when guarded by Green. I don't know what the fukk you were watching. Durant scored the majority of his points on Iggy, Barnes and Klay. Plus I mean who gives a fukk if Durant did score on Green? He's one of the most talented scores that's ever played the game.

Here's his made shots -
Here's the video footage of all Durant's FG makes/misses - NBA.com/Stats

Draymond guarded him on his 4th attempt, contesting the shot even after he was caught behind a screen - MISS
Draymond guarded him on his 12th attempt, contesting the shot with a hand directly in his face - MAKE
Draymond guarded him on his 13th attempt, picked Durant up from the start of the halfcourt, shadowed him down to the elbow and contested the shot - MISS
Draymond guarded him on his 14th attempt, defended on the wing, Durant tried to spin but Draymond was privy to it and blocked his turnaround J - MISS
Draymond guarded him on his 26th attempt (last shot of regulation), defended on the wing and contested the shot - MISS

Durant was 1 out of 5 when guarded by Draymond - all shots where Draymond guarded him without any help (even blocked one of his shots). 1 out of 5 field goals. This is all without mentioning there were a few times that Draymond was shadowing him on possessions by himself (forcing Durant to pass) and when he was playing good ball-deny defense on Durant too. Like @Malta said, Draymond was everywhere on defense - I don't know what game you watching to contest something as clear as that.

I'd say that's pretty good defense on Durant, wouldn't you? This sounds like you don't know what you're talking about, which comes as no surprise.

Furthermore it's not like Durant didn't put up #s against the Spurs either -

31 points on 13-20 shooting
28 points on 11-25 shooting

Since I know you have me on ignore, hopefully someone might tag you and copy and paste my post for you to see.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

For all this help that he, Kawhi recieves, you still fail to acknowledge/admit that Draymond receives just as much.

Because it's NOT true. Like it couldn't be more further from the truth. Draymond receives less help than any other defender in the league, by a considerable margin, hence why he can guard any position at a high level.

Duncan is NOT what he once was defensively this season....hell he doesnt even play but a lil over 20 minutes a game. LMA, Boris, and West surely arent on the level of Bogut and Ezeli are defensively.

They're not, but that doesn't mean Kawhi doesn't receive more help. Kawhi isn't asked (or capable) to fulfill the same amount of roles on defense that Draymond is, therefore it's impossible for Draymond to receive the same amount of help as Kawhi does. I think there seems to be some misunderstanding on your part on what Draymond does on the defensive end.

 

[duncanthetall]

Because he's annoying as fukk. Like you.

 

[Full Measures]

He's underrated

The hell he is. The Warriors allowed the second most points in the paint this season. Only the lottery bound Lakers gave up more points in the paint

Isnt he supposed to be some great interior defender that can supposedly defend 5s?

He's overrated if anything

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Oh I forgot to mention -

Duncan is NOT what he once was defensively this season....hell he doesnt even play but a lil over 20 minutes a game. LMA, Boris, and West surely arent on the level of Bogut and Ezeli are defensively.

Duncan - averaged 25 minutes a game this season
Bogut - averaged 20 minutes a game this season

Duncan also has a higher DRTG and DRPM, so despite him not being as great as he once was, he's still having a bigger influence on his team's defense than Bogut is. Ezeli only played 46 games and averaged 16 minutes this season too.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

The hell he is. The Warriors allowed the second most points in the paint this season. Only the lottery bound Lakers gave up more points in the paint

You sound like somebody who still uses PPG to gauge how good a team's defense is.

 

[Full Measures]

What is Kawhi even considered a better player than Draymond? He a better scorer by dray is a better rebounder, defender( the number don't lie) and a by far batter passer

Are you seriously questioning how Kawhi is a better player than Draymomd Green?

Warrior fans y'all

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

so in other words- It's like the nfl. Draymond- zone defense with ocassional man to man. Kahwi- man to man put him on an island.

Then explain this -

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Are you seriously questioning how Kawhi is a better player than Draymomd Green?

Warrior fans y'all

Did you even bother to read the OP or any other statistical data in this thread?

 

[Consumed]

The hell he is. The Warriors allowed the second most points in the paint this season. Only the lottery bound Lakers gave up more points in the paint

Isnt he supposed to be some great interior defender that can supposedly defend 5s?

He's overrated if anything

7th in opponents paint FG%

NBA Team Opponents Stats 2015-2016 - NBA Fantasy Basketball Stats

Using "allowed points" is flawed. It doesn't account for the Warriors having more possessions per game than 97% of teams in this league because of their pace. You're pretty much saying they have a bad defense if you think they aren't good at protecting the paint. Don't win 73 games in this league with that type of critical weakness.

 

[Ineedmoney504]

Dray the gawd was robbed

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

7th in opponents paint FG%

NBA Team Opponents Stats 2015-2016 - NBA Fantasy Basketball Stats

Using "allowed points" is flawed. It doesn't account for the Warriors having more possessions per game than 97% of teams in this league because of their pace. You're pretty much saying they have a bad defense if you think they aren't good at protecting the paint. Don't win 73 games in this league with that type of critical weakness.

And for anybody trying to shyt on Draymond's ability as a rim protector -

The above image is based on opponents FG% when the defender is present at the rim - Draymond is near the top - even higher than Whiteside.

Now although this is only half of the season, it gives you a better idea of how Draymond protected the rim - the above image is opponents FG% when the defender is contesting the shot. Draymond held opponents to a lower FG% at the rim when contesting the shot, better than Whiteside, DeAndre, Biyombo, Duncan - all notable rim protectors.

 

[Full Measures]

You sound like somebody who still uses PPG to gauge how good a team's defense is.

Are you seriously saying that the amount of paint points given up by a team doesn't matter?

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Are you seriously saying that the amount of paint points given up by a team doesn't matter?

It does matter, but what matters more is shooting percentage and pace (like it's already been mentioned). I'll give you an example -

x-team gives up 43 points a game on average at the rim, holds opponents to 43% shooting at the rim and plays at a pace of 101 possessions per game
y-team gives up 38 points a game on average at the rim, holds opponents to 48% shooting at the rim and play at a pace of 92 possessions per game

Which team is better at protecting the rim?

 

[Ineedmoney504]

That silent fags ain't better than dray outside of scoring. If they were both put on trash teams I would have faith in dray than the silent one to lead the team. And I can't wait till gs kill them cornball ass Spurs