:Francis: Houston Rockets 2017 Offseason Thread

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Y'all would have close to the worst backcourt defense in the league if y'all got CP3. It also wouldn't fit stylistically with how CP3 operates on offense - he would need to switch up his entire approach which is hard to see at this point of his career, either that or 'Antoni/Morey would need to meet him halfway, which again would be hard to see.

Someone like Lowry (if he can stay healthy) would be perfect for y'all.
 

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Ideally, would like CP3/Millsap. CP3 would obviously take the load off Harden, and even though Millsap is older than Anderson, he does everything better than Anderson besides 3s. I'd rather have an older Millsap on a short contract that'll consistently rebound, hit mid-range shots and play defense than Ryno playing like a 6'10" Kyle Korver.

CP3, Harden, Ariza, Milsap, Capela

:jbhmm:

I know D'Antoni loves having that stretch 4 so they can jack nothing but 3s. Getting Milsap, hell and CP3, would force a more traditional offense with a slowed pace and more mid range shots.

Basically this does go against Pringles philosophy, and CP3 is a strong personality. It could either go very well or very poorly
 

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Game 6 was disgusting. After that shyt, in seriously worried about next season. I think that's why Morey is swinging for the fences. If we don't make a dramatic roster improvement I get the feeling, it'll be 2016 all over again where they struggle right out the gate and Dantoni is gone.

I seriously question Hardens leadership skills now. That performance was the most polarizing performance since Lebron versus the Mavs. He singlehandedly lost the game 5 in overtime and just didn't show up in game 6. I never listen to Skip but he said it right afterward that's harden chokes in the big moments of the playoffs . He never comes up big in elimination games
 

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Y'all would have close to the worst backcourt defense in the league if y'all got CP3. It also wouldn't fit stylistically with how CP3 operates on offense - he would need to switch up his entire approach which is hard to see at this point of his career, either that or 'Antoni/Morey would need to meet him halfway, which again would be hard to see.

Someone like Lowry (if he can stay healthy) would be perfect for y'all.
Not with his playoff performances..:francis:.
 

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Y'all would have close to the worst backcourt defense in the league if y'all got CP3. It also wouldn't fit stylistically with how CP3 operates on offense - he would need to switch up his entire approach which is hard to see at this point of his career, either that or 'Antoni/Morey would need to meet him halfway, which again would be hard to see.

Someone like Lowry (if he can stay healthy) would be perfect for y'all.

If we get Lowry, I imagine his contract would leave us in the same predicament as getting CP3 would, as far as our already struggle frontline needing even more work? i.e. Assuming we'd still have to unload Beverly and Anderson. No one is going to shed tears over losing Ryan, but our struggle front court court of an aged but respectable Nene and a respectable but flawed Capela just ain't gonna cut it.

We'd have to ship Gordon or Lou for something, unless we would still have money left over to sign a decent player at pf
 
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Not with his playoff performances..:francis:.
His playoff performances are taken out of context all the time, he's either been injured going into the playoffs and/or he suffers injuries in the playoffs -
How the fukk do you acknowledge that he's protecting his future/money, but then criticize him because Kidd played through injuries, as if that automatically makes him the better player (Kidd would have done the exact same thing under the same circumstances)? Futhermore, I don't wanna hear this nonsense about Kidd playing through injuries, as if Lowry hasn't played through injuries for the last 3-4 postseasons:

2015 postseason - Windhorst: Injuries taking toll on Lowry, Kyle Lowry’s health questioned amid Raptors’ playoff struggles - he injuried his back and missed nine games near the end of the regular season, he also was dealing with a shin contusion, infected hand and hamstring issues:



2016 postseason -

He fukked up his elbow near the end of the regular season, and was dealing with pain all throughout the postseason (plus had to have his elbow drained multiple times), while trying to work around it to change his shooting form. Prior to his elbow injury he averaged 22 ppg on 45% FG/60 TS% over nearly 70 games. Kidd never at any point of his career displayed that type of offensive production - he never even came remotely close. When Lowry returned - he ended up shooting 32% and averaging 16 ppg, just because of how much he struggled with that elbow injury. He still persevered throughout the entire postseason, and was the main reason the Raptors went all the way to the ECF and took the Cavs to six games. Not to mention he had multiple 30+ point games in the playoffs:







And this is all with him adjusting his form and dealing with the pain of that injury.

2017 postseason - Kyle Lowry to have wrist surgery, likely gone until playoffs - he broke his wrist (the same one he did 10 years earlier) and didn't return until the end of the season. The funny thing is, he had had been playing with it injured for most of the season until he injured it to the point where he couldn't even move his wrist when he woke up the next morning.

Once again, he displayed an offensive skillset and produced at a higher level than Kidd ever showed at any point of his career prior to that injury - 23 ppg on 46% FG/62% TS, while taking EIGHT 3-pointers a game and hitting them at 42% - he was a top-3 3-pt shooter before his injury. This dude was up there with the best scorers in the game, with a shooting efficiency that wasn't too far away from Steph Curry's historic season.

Yes Kidd did play with an injuried knee during the '04 playoffs, but why does he get a pass for averaging 10 ppg on 28% shooting in a series (going scoreless and 0-8 in a Game 7), and yet Lowry gets criticized for his 'poor' performances in the postseason when he's dealing with his injuries? All the while being more productive and more of a threat than Kidd was in the postseason - Lowry averages more points on better efficiency in the postseason.

Why is there one rule for one player, and another for the other? Could it be perhaps because y'all NEVER actually watched Kidd during his prime? Stop looking out through those rose-colored glasses and start dealing with reality.

The fact you either 1.) don't want to acknowledge there's instances where Lowry has played with injuries through multiple postseasons or 2.) you're not aware of those instances where he was dealing with injuries, let's me know you shouldn't be discussing this shyt.

@DonKnock @Illeye buckmatic @BlackAchilles @smitty22 @Rigby. @hayesc0 @Tunez y'all can get educated on this too.

He's just had a ton of bad luck around playoff time over the last few years (which definitely is a cause for concern), and he's tried to push through it the best way he can. If his shot is off, you can always count on him bringing it on the defensive end and getting other guys going on offense. He would be perfect for y'all since he's a great 3-pt shooter (OTD or spot-up), can break down defenses off splits/doubles, one of the most effective PGs without the ball and can defend at a high rate - he's basically Pat Bev on steroids.

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Game 6 was disgusting. After that shyt, in seriously worried about next season. I think that's why Morey is swinging for the fences. If we don't make a dramatic roster improvement I get the feeling, it'll be 2016 all over again where they struggle right out the gate and Dantoni is gone.

I seriously question Hardens leadership skills now. That performance was the most polarizing performance since Lebron versus the Mavs. He singlehandedly lost the game 5 in overtime and just didn't show up in game 6. I never listen to Skip but he said it right afterward that's harden chokes in the big moments of the playoffs . He never comes up big in elimination games
Someone else's been trying to tell you this for years now. :troll:
Gasol would be a nice addition since he opted out of SA...
Nah, not for y'all squad. He's pretty much the antithesis for what y'all are trying to do and need. He's the last player y'all should be targeting.
 

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Game 6 was disgusting. After that shyt, in seriously worried about next season. I think that's why Morey is swinging for the fences. If we don't make a dramatic roster improvement I get the feeling, it'll be 2016 all over again where they struggle right out the gate and Dantoni is gone.

I seriously question Hardens leadership skills now. That performance was the most polarizing performance since Lebron versus the Mavs. He singlehandedly lost the game 5 in overtime and just didn't show up in game 6. I never listen to Skip but he said it right afterward that's harden chokes in the big moments of the playoffs . He never comes up big in elimination games
We're not going to win with Dantoni's philosophy. He has no chill.

Right now we need a quality point guard and a quality big man. If those acquisitions puts us back in a traditional offensive scheme that goes against the extremes that Pringles wants... :manny:

I never liked that hiring anyway.



I wouldn't say Harden's dead to me but he's a beta male as far as i'm concerned... we're going to need to rely on someone else down the stretch
 

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We're not going to win with Dantoni's philosophy. He has no chill.

Right now we need a quality point guard and a quality big man. If those acquisitions puts us back in a traditional offensive scheme that goes against the extremes that Pringles wants... :manny:

I never liked that hiring anyway.



I wouldn't say Harden's dead to me but he's a beta male as far as i'm concerned... we're going to need to rely on someone else down the stretch
It's all about how Harden grows from this. Dude is so sensitive. I ready on clutchfans that the reason he played like that in game 6 was because Ariza was critical or hard on him about his game 6 performance at the end
 
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If we get Lowry, I imagine his contract would leave us in the same predicament as getting CP3 would, as far as our already struggle frontline needing even more work? i.e. Assuming we'd still have to unload Beverly and Anderson. No one is going to shed tears over losing Ryan, but our struggle front court court of an aged but respectable Nene and a respectable but flawed Capela just ain't gonna cut it.

We'd have to ship Gordon or Lou for something, unless we would still have money left over to sign a decent player at pf
Like you said, unless there's a change in philosophy from the top [Morey/'Antoni] it'll most likely just be a case of rearranging the deck chairs on the Titantic. Beyond needing a guard who can compliment Harden's game; a versatile, multi-tooled defensive anchor is a must, someone like Millsap or JaMychal Green. Obviously, y'all would need to take a hit on the offensive end with either of them (Millsap less so), but it would be essential to building a proper foundation, rather than only having shelter at one end of the floor.

And if y'all go into the season with a backcourt rotation of Harden, Lou and Gordon, and without a Pat Bev-level defender - y'all might as well just enjoy the fruits of the regular season.

:manny:
 

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Cp3 and/or Blake will not add anything to the Rockets. We need more defensive/3pt SHOOTERS and one explosive scorer to take over for Harden when he bytch out under pressure
 

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We lack a glue guy. Everybody is one way or the other way. Same issue Cleveland had. We need a Versatile player like we had with Parsons. Dantoni had Diaw back in the day. During our WCF run, we had Josh's Smith who was huge. Harden defers to players. He did it with Lou when he first arrived. He did it with beaseley when he was here last season. Like Harden would give him the ball as soon as he crossed half court and let him do his thing. harden is an unselfish player he deferred to KD and Russ for years without complaint. It don't seem good scheme wise but I think the CP3 move could work and I'm pushing for it.
 

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I'm not completely sold on any of the FA moves that have been rumored. I love CP3 but will Harden learn to play off-ball? If he even adds some cutting and screening to his game I'd understand it. But as is it wouldn't be a huge improvement to our team other than the few minutes when Harden and CP3 are playing separately.

What we need more than anything is just a bucket getter. When Harden's shot isn't falling and the opponent has two 7 footers in the paint our offense is fukked. Harden isn't athletic enough to consistently finish with two 7 footers clogging the paint and disciplined defenders staying tight on our shooters, who by the way, aren't nearly as consistent as a CLE or a GSW.

So there's two ways we get better. Either Harden takes another leap again this season and adds a new scoring dimension to his game, or we get another top 10 scorer to help us when our pace and space offense is stumbling. I just don't see a scorer of that ability available. I wanted Jimmy but he was a pipe dream. And if it's going to cost Beverly who is literally the heart of the Rockets and our second best play most nights then whoever we chase HAS to deliver.
 
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