Future - "Reasonable Doubt was not hot when it dropped"

[Larry Lambo]

He's right. As a nikka who was in high school at the time and one of tge few miami cats in my area who was into east rao, yiu dont know how many times my brehs asked wht i listened to that "wu tang shyt", I only really knew jay frim fukking with foxy and the who ya with video. Hard knock life was when he became a prince of the game and I'll say he became a king eith jigga what video.

You must have went to Da West or something, cause NY rap was heavy at American.

 

[Larry Lambo]

This is a lie. If you knew you knew that Jay wasn't just some random cat as soon as you paid attention and started listening. If you didn't know or wasn't paying attention then that was just you sleeping. The material speaks for itself tho and it did back then too.

Jay had a buzz, but he didn't have the streets on smash.

I feel like that's what people are holding him to because that's when ended up doing later on.

 

[dem bath salts]

You must have went to Da West or something, cause NY rap was heavy at American.

I. Dont know what u trying to say.
NY rap was big but you gotta understand in the south most nikkas was bumping master p. Outkast, ball and. Mjg, trick daddy, dungeon family etc.
Jay wasnt big like that until hard knock life. At least in the south. I cant speak for other regions.

 

[lutha]

I don't want to argue semantics about what "mark" means but Jay was just another rapper when "RD" came out. He was just a guy with an album out. It didn't hit like "OB4CL" or "Doggystyle".

"Hit" don't mean hit records or sales. It means, people talking about it. It being inescapable among rap fans. If you were in school at the time, cats knowing the lyrics. Arguing over the best song.

That is what @spliz is talking about.


Fred.

'mark' was his word, not mine....that was his way of saying it wasnt hot...

just like i said to him: you comparing albums from artists that had backing (the wu name/albums, dr dre name/album) to his debut album to say he 'was just another rapper and the album wasnt hot' lol...aight man...

as for that' hit' comment: that's what others have been saying, not me...they were saying it wasnt a hit/hot based off sales...i said: when it dropped, cats in my city and that came to my city from out of town were bumping it....also, people in my school were doing what you said when the album dropped....that's why i said the album was 'hot', and disagree with future....

 

[lutha]

I. Dont know what u trying to say.
NY rap was big but you gotta understand in the south most nikkas was bumping master p. Outkast, ball and. Mjg, trick daddy, dungeon family etc.
Jay wasnt big like that until hard knock life. At least in the south. I cant speak for other regions.

this isnt true....i'm from the south and RD got play when it dropped right along with the albums you named...

 

[Woodrow]

he aint wrong. he just worded some parts in a way that leaves his point open to misinterpretation.

jay didn't officially pop, didnt show signs of becoming the jay he is today, until "can i get a..." . that's 2 years later. that's also why ja and irv felt entitled to pop shyt about where the song came from, and still do (tho always in a friendly manner).

when reasonable doubt dropped, jay was not being mentioned as one of the nikkas coming for the crown by anyone outside of himself and biggie. the album is classic. real hip-hop heads knew he was a problem. but he was more known for biggie's cosign and "aint no nikka" at that point. and after vol. 1 dropped he damn-near lost whatever spot he had altogether.

it was written
muddy waters
all eyez on me
makaveli
the score
hell on earth (no, jay was not bigger than mobb deep in 1996)
riding dirty
the coming (yes, busta's solo debut was a much, much, much bigger deal than reasonable doubt when it dropped... regardless of the quality of the music)

all dropped in 9-6. again, future ain't wrong. but nikkas will front anyway.

i actually salute future; he knew EXACTLY who was running the game at that point. who knew he was a true hip-hop head?

 

[dem bath salts]

this isnt true....i'm from the south and RD got play when it dropped right along with the albums you named...

But was it cinsidered a classic? I gor fam from 8n fl, ga, bama, miss and none of my peeps was clamoring over that album.
Aint nobody saying it aint get no play but it was not known as a classic when it dropped. Cmon man. I was in my teen years, with a subscription to the source and watching rap city ever day. I know what im talking about.

 

[Gravity]

I don't want to argue semantics about what "mark" means but Jay was just another rapper when "RD" came out. He was just a guy with an album out. It didn't hit like "OB4CL" or "Doggystyle".

"Hit" don't mean hit records or sales. It means, people talking about it. It being inescapable among rap fans. If you were in school at the time, cats knowing the lyrics. Arguing over the best song.

That is what @spliz is talking about.



We aren't talking about the same thing.

You're talking about, if you heard the album you knew Jay was special. I'm saying, he was just another random ass rapper with an album out....he didn't even benefit from being "the next Rakim" like Nas. So people slept on the album. I knew one guy that had that album, and I was pretty indifferent to listening to it even after he recommended it to me. And even after I did listen to it....everyone else was the same way. You can't force people to listen to music if they're about it.

Fred.

I don't know what any of this has to do with what I said.

Jay had a buzz, but he didn't have the streets on smash.

I feel like that's what people are holding him to because that's when ended up doing later on.

Yea and that's hate because they know better.

 

[lutha]

But was it cinsidered a classic? I gor fam from 8n fl, ga, bama, miss and none of my peeps was clamoring over that album.
Aint nobody saying it aint get no play but it was not known as a classic when it dropped. Cmon man.

whose talking about classic?...future said the album wasnt 'hot'....unless you saying the only way an album is hot is if it's classic, then that's 2 different things....

and that is exactly what people are saying by saying the album wasnt 'hot', 'didnt make an impact', 'didnt make a mark', etc....they acting like the album got no play outside of a small circle lol....

 

[General Mills]

It was Foxy's song from the Nutty Professor sdtk.
Went plat. So did her album. Hov didn't.
Illmatic mattered outside of NY.
Only dopeboys and backpack nikkas liked RD.

It was so competitive then. Jay was nice. But so many nikkas was dropping heat he went under the radar.

I copped RD when it came out. Cassette was fire. I was in my whip with my cousin and he was who the fukk is this

 

[West Coast Avenger]

Facts.........

 

[ISO]

That track is essential Jay-Z

For cacs

 

[laflame]

This should be pretty dope.

 

[Ineedmoney504]

Jay pleaded for that album to be a classic. And yes there was a bunch of albums that year that didn't make a "mark". Jay's was one of those albums. It was looked at as a hot album. It was his debut album and it didn't make a mark critically or commercially brot. Illmatic did. Ready To Die did. OBFCL did. The Infamous did. 36 Chambers did. Doggystyle. The Chronic. The list goes on and on. That shyt was on the level of AZ's Doe or Die when it dropped. Dope album but wasn't considered a game changer.

illmatic had a commercial impact ?

 

[MIKE SPLEAN]

"I gave you prophecy on my first joint and yall all lamed out, didn't really appreciate it, till the second one came out..."