Future - "Reasonable Doubt was not hot when it dropped"

[spliz]

Notice how he tried to minimize Rakims influence on Nas by saying "bu bu but he influenced all emcees, but the flow was not the same"

But then had the audacity to try to show Method Man started rapping like Nas after Illmatic,when nothing about Method Mans style was like Nas's

Certainly not the flow

Notice how he tried to minimize Rakims influence on Nas by saying "bu bu but he influenced all emcees, but the flow was not the same"

But then had the audacity to try to show Method Man started rapping like Nas after Illmatic,when nothing about Method Mans style was like Nas's

Certainly not the flow

G Rap was the bigger influence on Nas than Rakim. Ra was an influence on the whole game. But not Nas more than any other fan of the God MC.

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

Why was Nas sampled so much and lines flipped, why did so many artists claim to be influenced by the album, why has the cover been flipped by so many artists, why the beats become freestyle favorites...

Because it's been hyped up through the media for years.
I'm in my late 30's i was actually moving around when it dropped. It flopped and wasnt a big deal. Sorry

 

[ISO]

Because it's been hyped up through the media for years.
I'm in my late 30's i was actually moving around when it dropped. It flopped and wasnt a big deal. Sorry

Nikkas was sampling and flipping Illmatic lines, copying his album cover, freestyling to Illmatic beats in the 90's literally two years after release.

Ya mans Pac was bumping the shyt outta this while on trial before MATW but aight .

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Because it's been hyped up through the media for years.
I'm in my late 30's i was actually moving around when it dropped. It flopped and wasnt a big deal. Sorry

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

Nikkas was sampling and flipping Illmatic lines, copying his album cover, freestyling to Illmatic beats in the 90's literally two years after release.

Ya mans Pac was bumping the shyt outta this while on trial before MATW but aight .

I was bumping songs from it too. Lil Shawn was complaining bout how much pac was bumping spice 1 in new york.
Spice 1 doesnt get those props.

 

[lutha]

@StillNotSoft

aight, went back and read through the thread like i said i would...it was interesting lol...thread has everything thrown in it to try to prove right/wrong....what's funny is people are using the same reasons to state why they're correct, no matter which side of the debate they fall on...ex: people that thought it was hot 'you had to be there'; people that didnt think it was hot 'you had to be there' lol....

the key thing that people are ignoring: future left it very open with the interpretation of the word 'hot'....he said 'RD wasnt hot when it dropped', but didnt explain how he meant that...since he didnt clarify, people are using their own criteria and bias to define hot, i.e. sales, impact, influence, quality of the music, was it getting play, was RD known when released, etc....ex: @bigbadbossup2012 is using sales; @spliz is using impact; @IllmaticDelta is using influence; @hex used other's opinions...since it wasnt clear what future meant by 'hot', it all boils down to opinion and each individual's def of the word in relation to this convo, so it's cool...

also, i can see the correlation about illmatic in regards to RD about whether it was 'hot' or not when it first dropped....it'll all depend on how you define 'hot....to me: they both were hot when they dropped...it's the reason i copped, bumped, talked about, etc. both when they initially came out....

 

[Tom Foolery]

1.Rakim was aleady an Mc,conscious and gritty (as nas would later be) before nas came around.
i dont know what you mean by merged the grittiness of a tongue twisting rapper,i saw zero tongue twist influence in nas at all. And are you saying all tongue twisting rappers had grit?
2.Sampling funk was popular where? In the game as a whole?
3.It's not about who meth influenced,if you're saying nas stopped rappers from being blatantly stylish (which meth was),yet meth came out right after Nas and was way more popular and an instant star. That's evidence that nas didnt make the game shift away from that,as you and others have insinuated or blatantly claimed.
Saying Rakim influenced everyone is a cop out. NO POPULAR rapper ever sounded as much like rakim as nas did and no one was compared as much as nas was because of this.
I dont understand your point regarding the bolded

Poverty's Paradise won the 1996 grammy

1. Like I said before "All the 80's MC rappers tried to reinvent themselves or went the Hip-Hop purist route". Rakim was an MC, but timb boots, hoodies, hard hip hop gritty? Conscious? He reinvented himself but the last two are not his strong points. It's about merging them in a formula that is superior.

Tongue twist rappers are not necessarily gritty, but there were gritty Tongue Twisters. Why else would I have you look up Poverty's Paradise? There was a huge East Coast scene you guys are not aware of. Real hip-hop heads know this scene because it was very dominant.

2. Why else would they call it G-Funk?

3. I have another post were it shows meth before and after. You can clearly see Meth's style is more honed. He's not saying animated shyt like "Hey Hey Hey like fat Albert".

What do you want me to say, Rakim didn't Influence everyone? It's the truth He's the God MC Rakim Allah.......But shyt evolves, things change and styles get played out.

"NO POPULAR rapper ever sounded as much like rakim as nas did and no one was compared as much as nas was because of this."
You just sonned yourself. You admit Nas was getting the most comparisons to Rakim. Rakim's last big run was '92, Nas' Hafttime single came in '92. Without Nas, Rakim's style dies. Do you not see the importance of the 2nd coming of Rakim on the scene is. Is everything now connecting?


"I dont understand your point regarding the bolded"
I know you don't. If you did, you wouldn't be arguing. There was a whole scene you are not aware of.

East Coast hiphop doesn't go from Rakim BDK KRS >to Nas, Big etc.
It goes Rakim BDK KRS >to Tongue Twist Rappers > to Nas, Big.
This is why I know you don't know what you are talking about.

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

1. Like I said before "All the 80's MC rappers tried to reinvent themselves or went the Hip-Hop purist route". Rakim was an MC, but timb boots, hoodies, hard hip hop gritty? Conscious? He reinvented himself but the last two are not his strong points. It's about merging them in a formula that is superior.

Tongue twist rappers are not necessarily gritty, but there were gritty Tongue Twisters. Why else would I have you look up Poverty's Paradise? There was a huge East Coast scene you guys are not aware of. Real hip-hop heads know this scene because it was very dominant.

2. Why else would they call it G-Funk?

3. I have another post were it shows meth before and after. You can clearly see Meth's style is more honed. He's not saying animated shyt like "Hey Hey Hey like fat Albert".

What do you want me to say, Rakim didn't Influence everyone? It's the truth He's the God MC Rakim Allah.......But shyt evolves, things change and styles get played out.

"NO POPULAR rapper ever sounded as much like rakim as nas did and no one was compared as much as nas was because of this."
You just sonned yourself. You admit Nas was getting the most comparisons to Rakim. Rakim's last big run was '92, Nas' Hafttime single came in '92. Without Nas, Rakim's style dies. Do you not see the importance of the 2nd coming of Rakim on the scene is. Is everything now connecting?


"I dont understand your point regarding the bolded"
I know you don't. If you did, you wouldn't be arguing. There was a whole scene you are not aware of.

East Coast hiphop doesn't go from Rakim BDK KRS >to Nas, Big etc.
It goes Rakim BDK KRS >to Tongue Twist Rappers > to Nas, Big.
This is why I know you don't know what you are talking about.

1.Now you're adding shyt on,we never mentioned any form of attire that i can think of regarding being gritty. You said he had the grit of a Tongue twister,I guess you're talking clothing. Maybe you were always talking clothing. But Even with that,Rakim has a street based clothing style as well. And yes I believe Rakim made hard core b-boy hiphop. You don't believe that?

And I know there were gritty tongue twisters,i said were you saying all of them were.
AS far as you saying "there's a hiphop scene i didnt know about",you're going to have to come harder,every video you linked are songs i was bumping while they were out and every single one are popular songs and not underground,obscure or hidden gems or anything like that,at all.

2. You didnt really answer this "Sampling funk was popular where? In the game as a whole (or just a certain area)?"

3.That before and after shyt means nothing. Later on in that same song BRING DA PAIN he was saying shyt like "MOVIN ON YA LEFTTTTT" AND I'M NOT THE BIGGEST METH FAN BUT I dont ever remember him stopping that type of style.
So what if rakim influenced everyone? Pac influenced a bunch of nikkas, but there's levels to influence. Nas is to rakim as Master p,Krazy and Lil zane were to pac. That's what i'm saying.
Nope it's not connected. How can rakim style die when ra's alive?

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

Tongue twist rappers are not necessarily gritty, but there were gritty Tongue Twisters. Why else would I have you look up Poverty's Paradise? There was a huge East Coast scene you guys are not aware of.

Lmao a nikka really brought up poverty's paradise as if i was unaware. As if i wasnt bumping NBN 25 years ago,as if i dont remember mf's writing OPP on their Trapper Keepers 25 years ago,as if i dont remember them flipping the Hook to an mtv theme song. Maaaaaaaaaaan just stop

 

[Tom Foolery]

Lmao a nikka really brought up poverty's paradise as if i was unaware. As if i wasnt bumping NBN 25 years ago,as if i dont remember mf's writing OPP on their Trapper Keepers 25 years ago,as if i dont remember them flipping the Hook to an mtv theme song. Maaaaaaaaaaan just stop

Shut up nikka. You don't know nothing about Naughty. Stop frontin' for credibility.

You started listening around '96-'97. It's clear in the way you post. Stop being a Poser.

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

Shut up nikka. You don't know nothing about Naughty. Stop frontin' for credibility.

You started listening around '96-'97. It's clear in the way you post. Stop being a Poser.

Are you serious?

 

[blazn101]

 

[hex]

Was you even into rap in the 90's with that nonsense you just typed out?

Rae was on the mafia rap shyt a full year before "Reasonable Doubt" dropped, so what are you smoking? Jay didn't jump start that shyt or even popularize it.

Fred.

 

[hex]

This is why you Nas cocksuckers are the worst. You're so insecure and passive aggressive. It's like saying that both RD and illmatic are great classic albums that were initially slept on outside of the east coast isn't good enough. As if just saying that you like nas/illmatic better than Jay/RD isn't good enough. Nah nas fanboys have to convince people that nas being better is a fact You say that Jay didn't influence anyone but according to dudes actually in the know Jay is the one who influenced Big to stop writing

So Jay didn't influence anyone except the kony at the time Nas and Kobe have the worst internet fan bases ever and it's because y'all run off of emotion. It's an especially bad look when you realize that most of you are pushing 40.

This ain't about Nas it's about weirdos such as yourself getting emotional. I ain't said shyt to or about you disrespectful, so keep it civil.

The age shot is especially when you'd have to be damn near 40 to speak on this accurately....so what are you saying? I ain't gotta Google like you, I'm actually old enough to remember this as it happened.

And the BIG thing is when people been shytting on Jay the entire thread talking about "he was only known in NY at the time". And your dumb ass rebuttal is "b bu but Jay influenced him"....in NY....and his close friend.

Again....@IllmaticDelta showed multiple rappers from all across the country....from NY to Cali to Ohio....literally the widest possible spectrum of cities and rap styles....all saying how much impact "Illmatic" has. You cannot do the same for "Reasonable Doubt". Point blank, period. Now throw another tantrum.

Fred.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Because it's been hyped up through the media for years.
I'm in my late 30's i was actually moving around when it dropped. It flopped and wasnt a big deal. Sorry

no matter how many times you post it, it will never match the reality



that global influence/reach in 94