Has Tim Duncan surpassed Hakeem Olaujwoun?

[Majestic Pape]

Shaq won with kobe and wade

Hakeem had the worst teammates and the worst coaches of all of em

Every NBA player takes Hakeem over shaq and Duncan. Horry played with all 3 and said its no contest.

 

[STAN JONES]

Duncan had a better career
But Hakeem was easily a better player

This

 

[THE K-MAN]

This thread is full of bullshyt. If Hakeem's game was so effective, where's the hardware? He got 2 chips when Mike went away. Lost in the first round countless times to and didn't make it to the playoffs during other years. Does 1987-1993 not exist to y'all? Its like u have removed all the negatives from Hakeem's career and only remember the two years he won titles. Like he wasn't playing all those other years. Like his career shouldn't be judged by the totality of everything.

I understand that a lot of people vividly remember Hakeem killing a before his prime Shaq and after his prime Pat in the finals, but don't remember when his team lost to the mighty Dale Ellis, Xavier McDaniels, Nate McMillan, and Derrick McKey led Supersonics. Or the year before that when they lost to the Mark Acquire led Mavericks. Don't gloss over those seasons like they don't exist.

did you see the lineup on that squad???

Buck Johnson
Mike Woodson
Dream
Otis Thorpe
Sleepy Floyd

25ppg 13rpg 3bpg for the series

when you relying on OTIS THORPE as a second option its a problem


1988 Playoff vs Dallas

38PPG 17RPG 3BPG

THE nikka WAS BY HIMSELF

both Seattle and Dallas teams were stacked

Dream had nikkaz like Louis Lloyd and Mitchell Wiggin who couldn't stay off the crack

and injury prone Ralph Sampson

 

[the kid]

fukk it, i'm taking it there, and if they were in their primes, Dream would eat his ass for breakfast.

PRime=/= to whole career homie. U doing exactly what all these other fools in here doing. U r glossing over all the other years to pick the "Prime Dream" as the one u want to represent Hakeem's career as a whole, when that shyt is not the case in the slightest. Do the 2-3 years of "Prime Dream" erase the loss to the Mark Aguirre led Mavs in 88? or the Nate McMillan Dale Ellis, Xavier McDaniel led Sonics (who I might add, got swept in the next round)?

 

[malbaker86]

I don't agree with anybody saying Duncan had better teams either. Some of yall prolly wasn't even watchin basketball when the Rockets won them titles and go google the rosters and see names they don't recognize and say Hakeem didn't have any help but he did. Outside of these last few years Duncan has never played with a star either and some of these Spurs teams haven't been nothin to brag about

Cosign. Im pretty sure the two Rockets teams that won titles were waaaay more talented than the 04 Spurs

 

[TheNig]

Really breh? I hit u with arguments and u post a vid not relating to the argument, but to a fact already established. Dream smashed Drob. So? Dream was the better player at that time. I simply point out how none of u motherfukks talks about the late 80-early90s when talking bout Dream, like they don't exist. Duncan won a fukking ring with Stephen Jackson as the second best player on the team. Don't give me that bullshyt bout teammates. I pointed out the "amazing" teams Dream couldn't get past in the first round and all i hear is crickets coming form ur direction.

and thats fine. but dont act as if the Spurs didnt get embarrased last yr. or getting swept in 01 didnt happen.

i see your point. Duncan is more accomplished, but it doesnt make him better than The Dream. you're talking about a guy whose top 15 in scoring all time. and the all time league leader in block shots.

Dream was just a better player.

 

[STAN JONES]

I don't agree with anybody saying Duncan had better teams either. Some of yall prolly wasn't even watchin basketball when the Rockets won them titles and go google the rosters and see names they don't recognize and say Hakeem didn't have any help but he did. Outside of these last few years Duncan has never played with a star either and some of these Spurs teams haven't been nothin to brag about

D-Rob at the end of his career>>>>>>>>>>Drexler at the end of his

Ginobli & Parker>>>>>>>>>Horry,Otis smith,vernan maxwell,Kenny smith,and any other role players they had

Yea Hakeen had some good role players but he never had 2 all star caliber players on his squad for a decade like Timmy

His best 2 teammates he got them both at the end of their careers(Barkley & Drexler)

 

[torcher]

D-Rob at the end of his career>>>>>>>>>>Drexler at the end of his

Ginobli & Parker>>>>>>>>>Horry,Otis smith,vernan maxwell,Kenny smith,and any other role players they had
Yea Hakeen had some good role players but he never had 2 all star caliber players on his squad for a decade like Timmy

His best 2 teammates he got them both at the end of their careers(Barkley & Drexler)

I don't agree wit D Rob being better then Drexler but thats debatable but during this first couple championships Ginobili & Parker were not better then Houstons role players and lets not even mention Sam Cassell.

 

[the kid]

and thats fine. but dont act as if the Spurs didnt get embarrased last yr. or getting swept in 01 didnt happen.

i see your point. Duncan is more accomplished, but it doesnt make him better than The Dream. you're talking about a guy whose top 15 in scoring all time. and the all time league leader in block shots.

Dream was just a better player.

We got beat last year. Thats for sure. Im not acting like that didn't happen. But Duncan is clearly on the back end of his career. (He was injured last year and u see what he look like healthy but Im gonna leave that one alone) This happened to Dream in the prime years. Thats the "Prime Dream" y'all scream bout getting beat in the first round. And the Spurs got swept by the Lakers in 2001, but it was in the fukkING CONFERENCE FINALS and not the first round. (I might add that the LAkers ended up winning the ring that year and only lost 1 game in the entire playoffs, but imma leave that alone too)

 

[Texas2step]

In order for Hakeem teams to be relevant, he had to dominate. The only way they could've won those 2 titles was with Hakeem dominating like he did. Duncan didn't have to dominate in order for his teams to win. No one on the Rockets could create their own shot and had to rely upon the double team the Dream received from opposing teams. Hakeem WAS THE OFFENSE. Again Hakeem played without an allstar for nearly a decade. He only had Sampson but he was always injured.

 

[torcher]

In order for Hakeem teams to be relevant, he had to dominate. The only way they could've won those 2 titles was with Hakeem dominating like he did. Duncan didn't have to dominate in order for his teams to win. No one on the Rockets could create their own shot and had to rely upon the double team the Dream received from opposing teams. Hakeem WAS THE OFFENSE. Again Hakeem played without an allstar for nearly a decade. He only had Sampson but he was always injured.

Besides 07 what year didn't Duncan have to dominate for the Spurs to win?

 

[TheNig]

We got beat last year. Thats for sure. Im not acting like that didn't happen. But Duncan is clearly on the back end of his career. (He was injured last year and u see what he look like healthy but Im gonna leave that one alone) This happened to Dream in the prime years. Thats the "Prime Dream" y'all scream bout getting beat in the first round. And the Spurs got swept by the Lakers in 2001, but it was in the fukkING CONFERENCE FINALS and not the first round. (I might add that the LAkers ended up winning the ring that year and only lost 1 game in the entire playoffs, but imma leave that alone too)

but he's still Top 15 all time scoring. all time leader in block shots. and yes, he had a visually more pleasing game.

 

[Texas2step]

Besides 07 what year didn't Duncan have to dominate for the Spurs to win?

nikka is scoring 20pts a game dominating? Hakeem had to get 30 plus in order for his teams to win. And Parker n DRob always gave him at least 15 pts

 

[the kid]

In order for Hakeem teams to be relevant, he had to dominate. The only way they could've won those 2 titles was with Hakeem dominating like he did. Duncan didn't have to dominate in order for his teams to win. No one on the Rockets could create their own shot and had to rely upon the double team the Dream received from opposing teams. Hakeem WAS THE OFFENSE. Again Hakeem played without an allstar for nearly a decade. He only had Sampson but he was always injured.

Who on the Spurs, before 2005 could create their own shots? Who? Not one person. Duncan won the 2003 ring by his motherfukking self Knocking out the 3 time champs on the way. The offense until about 2008 was to pass the ball to Duncan on the block and let him work.

Oh and just for fun, I youtubed a vid of the 1991 playoffs against the Lakers. Show me anywhere where the Rockets just thru it down to Dream and let him work. Go ahead Im waiting.



If u look at any of the vids, u will see they ran pick and roll with Otis Thorpe and Kenny Smith during crunch time.

 

[the kid]

but he's still Top 15 all time scoring. all time leader in block shots. and yes, he had a visually more pleasing game.

Cool, so now we down to the crux of it. U like the way Dream's game looked better than how Duncan's looks. Thats got nothing to do with who is the better player.